Let's just hope for Manziel sake that he doesn't ever slide into a super bad place that guys such as Todd Marinovich and Ryan Leaf ultimately did. It's one thing to not have your act together enough to have a pro athlete career - which Manziel clearly does not at this point. But there is definitely a much lower level in life that you can sink to if you ever let personal demons completely take over.

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Let's just hope for Manziel sake that he doesn't ever slide into a super bad place that guys such as Todd Marinovich and Ryan Leaf ultimately did. It's one thing to not have your act together enough to have a pro athlete career - which Manziel clearly does not at this point. But there is definitely a much lower level in life that you can sink to if you ever let personal demons completely take over.

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Well said

Tell us what you know please Paul.

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I'm actually amazed at how many still back Johnny. And even more amazing some actually think he still has an NFL shot.

He needs help.
He will never be relevant again in the game of football, on any level in any league.

This is a true example of being blinded by the uniform.
I'd love to see this boards reaction if Johnny had attended another school.

Great great college QB... but Johnny is done and has been for awhile.

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I said shun, not root against.

And not backing him anymore as this person said on the last page (and 10 people agreed with) sounds like shunning him to me. I don't know if he'll play football again at a high level, but I'm still pulling for him to get his life together and achieve what he is trying to do.

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Not backing Johnny means people are tired of defending him. As I said he needs help to get his life together, until he does this he is hard to defend.

If there are people hoping he fails then they are wrong, but again I don't think anyone is doing that

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That's the thing I have a problem with...how do you know he doesn't have his life together? What recent events lead you to that?

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Getting kicked out of another football league for starters.

If he joins the AAF, the XFL, or finds his way back to the NFL I would want to see him succeed as much as anybody, but none of those leagues seem interested and there is definitely a reason why...

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And you know absolutely zero about why he was cut from the CFL. It could be anything from drugs to saying he wasn't a hockey fan.

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Don't you think Johnny or his agent would have leaked the reason by now if it was just something innocent that the CFL overreacted to? Johnny is good for ratings, he didn't get banned for saying he's not a hockey fan (I know that was a sarcastic example)

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If he got kicked out for no good reason he would be in the AAF right now

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He is in the process of joining them. From what I've heard there is a hold up on the CFL side.

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He's not under contract, the only hold up would be the AAF's concern about why the CFL decided to ban it's biggest name from playing in their league...

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I do not know the details but like I said I've heard it was on the CFLs side.

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So this weekend is the halfway point for the AAF season. It is starting to feel like if there were an agreement with the AAF it would have already happened by now. At some point it's not reasonable to expect/hope he is just going to roll into San Antonio and they are going throw him into the starting lineup. What that means is that JFF's value has dropped below some guy named Logan Woodside who stared at Toledo. Let that sink in for a second.

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I'm actually amazed at how many still back Johnny. And even more amazing some actually think he still has an NFL shot.

He needs help.
He will never be relevant again in the game of football, on any level in any league.

This is a true example of being blinded by the uniform.
I'd love to see this boards reaction if Johnny had attended another school.

Great great college QB... but Johnny is done and has been for awhile.

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I said shun, not root against.

And not backing him anymore as this person said on the last page (and 10 people agreed with) sounds like shunning him to me. I don't know if he'll play football again at a high level, but I'm still pulling for him to get his life together and achieve what he is trying to do.

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Not backing Johnny means people are tired of defending him. As I said he needs help to get his life together, until he does this he is hard to defend.

If there are people hoping he fails then they are wrong, but again I don't think anyone is doing that

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That's the thing I have a problem with...how do you know he doesn't have his life together? What recent events lead you to that?

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Getting kicked out of another football league for starters.

If he joins the AAF, the XFL, or finds his way back to the NFL I would want to see him succeed as much as anybody, but none of those leagues seem interested and there is definitely a reason why...

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And you know absolutely zero about why he was cut from the CFL. It could be anything from drugs to saying he wasn't a hockey fan.

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Don't you think Johnny or his agent would have leaked the reason by now if it was just something innocent that the CFL overreacted to? Johnny is good for ratings, he didn't get banned for saying he's not a hockey fan (I know that was a sarcastic example)

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No

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If he got kicked out for no good reason he would be in the AAF right now

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He is in the process of joining them. From what I've heard there is a hold up on the CFL side.

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He's not under contract, the only hold up would be the AAF's concern about why the CFL decided to ban it's biggest name from playing in their league...

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I do not know the details but like I said I've heard it was on the CFLs side.

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So this weekend is the halfway point for the AAF season. It is starting to feel like if there were an agreement with the AAF it would have already happened by now. At some point it's not reasonable to expect/hope he is just going to roll into San Antonio and they are going throw him into the starting lineup. What that means is that JFF's value has dropped below some guy named Logan Woodside who stared at Toledo. Let that sink in for a second.

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Didn't the XFL say they will not allow players with a criminal record?

As for the AAF johnny could be starting his first week or he could take weeks to learn the playbook and get comfortable. None if us know. It could also be possible that he plans on joining the league this year with plans on starting next year. Or it could be none of those.

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I'm actually amazed at how many still back Johnny. And even more amazing some actually think he still has an NFL shot.

He needs help.
He will never be relevant again in the game of football, on any level in any league.

This is a true example of being blinded by the uniform.
I'd love to see this boards reaction if Johnny had attended another school.

Great great college QB... but Johnny is done and has been for awhile.

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I said shun, not root against.

And not backing him anymore as this person said on the last page (and 10 people agreed with) sounds like shunning him to me. I don't know if he'll play football again at a high level, but I'm still pulling for him to get his life together and achieve what he is trying to do.

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Not backing Johnny means people are tired of defending him. As I said he needs help to get his life together, until he does this he is hard to defend.

If there are people hoping he fails then they are wrong, but again I don't think anyone is doing that

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That's the thing I have a problem with...how do you know he doesn't have his life together? What recent events lead you to that?

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Getting kicked out of another football league for starters.

If he joins the AAF, the XFL, or finds his way back to the NFL I would want to see him succeed as much as anybody, but none of those leagues seem interested and there is definitely a reason why...

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And you know absolutely zero about why he was cut from the CFL. It could be anything from drugs to saying he wasn't a hockey fan.

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Don't you think Johnny or his agent would have leaked the reason by now if it was just something innocent that the CFL overreacted to? Johnny is good for ratings, he didn't get banned for saying he's not a hockey fan (I know that was a sarcastic example)

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No

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If he got kicked out for no good reason he would be in the AAF right now

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He is in the process of joining them. From what I've heard there is a hold up on the CFL side.

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He's not under contract, the only hold up would be the AAF's concern about why the CFL decided to ban it's biggest name from playing in their league...

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I do not know the details but like I said I've heard it was on the CFLs side.

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So this weekend is the halfway point for the AAF season. It is starting to feel like if there were an agreement with the AAF it would have already happened by now. At some point it's not reasonable to expect/hope he is just going to roll into San Antonio and they are going throw him into the starting lineup. What that means is that JFF's value has dropped below some guy named Logan Woodside who stared at Toledo. Let that sink in for a second.

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Didn't the XFL say they will not allow players with a criminal record?

As for the AAF johnny could be starting his first week or he could take weeks to learn the playbook and get comfortable. None if us know. It could also be possible that he plans on joining the league this year with plans on starting next year. Or it could be none of those.

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I totally agree that we are all speculating, but it feels like there is one version of events on here where people were speculating that his abrupt exit from Canada was orchestrated as a way to get him out of his contract. Every week that passes makes that theory seem less likely.

what criminal record does he have other than a misdemeanor "failure to identify" from 2012?

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what criminal record does he have other than a misdemeanor "failure to identify" from 2012?

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He's had a couple domestic violence accusations with his ex girlfriend, but no charges were ever filed.

Pro sports is not exactly the same as working g at the Jiffy Lube, smart guy.

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Pro sports is not exactly the same as working g at the Jiffy Lube, smart guy.

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I'm not sure I follow?

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Pro sports is not exactly the same as working g at the Jiffy Lube, smart guy.

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I'm not sure I follow?

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I repeat:

To be fair, getting "fired" in sports is a lot different than getting fired in the real world.

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what criminal record does he have other than a misdemeanor "failure to identify" from 2012?

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He's had a couple domestic violence accusations with his ex girlfriend, but no charges were ever filed.

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To be fair, I can charge some acccusations against you for some random reason... if it is not filed, why should we believe it? Innocent until proven guilty, right?

At the end of the day, I want Johnny to get his life back together (which it may already be better) and succeed in whatever he works for. It's not saying I condone bad/illegal behavior, but I'm rooting for the good in him.

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I repeat:

To be fair, getting "fired" in sports is a lot different than getting fired in the real world.

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To be fair getting fired twice in your profession is not good, just my opinion

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what criminal record does he have other than a misdemeanor "failure to identify" from 2012?

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He's had a couple domestic violence accusations with his ex girlfriend, but no charges were ever filed.

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To be fair, I can charge some acccusations against you for some random reason... if it is not filed, why should we believe it? Innocent until proven guilty, right?

At the end of the day, I want Johnny to get his life back together (which it may already be better) and succeed in whatever he works for. It's not saying I condone bad/illegal behavior, but I'm rooting for the good in him.

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At the end of the day we want the same things, I hope Johnny is successful...I've said that the entire time

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what criminal record does he have other than a misdemeanor "failure to identify" from 2012?

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He's had a couple domestic violence accusations with his ex girlfriend, but no charges were ever filed.

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Actually, charges were filed and he entered a diversion deal that would allow for them to ultimately be dismissed.

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what criminal record does he have other than a misdemeanor "failure to identify" from 2012?

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He's had a couple domestic violence accusations with his ex girlfriend, but no charges were ever filed.

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Actually, charges were filed and he entered a diversion deal that would allow for them to ultimately be dismissed.

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Thank you for the correction

I aim to please.

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what criminal record does he have other than a misdemeanor "failure to identify" from 2012?

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He's had a couple domestic violence accusations with his ex girlfriend, but no charges were ever filed.

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Actually, charges were filed and he entered a diversion deal that would allow for them to ultimately be dismissed.

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And he's still innocent of the charges.

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what criminal record does he have other than a misdemeanor "failure to identify" from 2012?

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Actually, charges were filed and he entered a diversion deal that would allow for them to ultimately be dismissed.

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And he's still innocent of the charges.

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That's not how innocent works. He may not have been guilty of all of those charges but agreeing to a program that dismisses charges ultimately means acknowledgment of some guilt.

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what criminal record does he have other than a misdemeanor "failure to identify" from 2012?

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He's had a couple domestic violence accusations with his ex girlfriend, but no charges were ever filed.

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Actually, charges were filed and he entered a diversion deal that would allow for them to ultimately be dismissed.

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And he's still innocent of the charges.

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That's not how innocent works. He may not have been guilty of all of those charges but agreeing to a program that dismisses charges ultimately means acknowledgment of some guilt.

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So... no ones ever settled because the settlement was better than a trial? In a situation where it's he said she said? Pretty sure that happens all the time...

Sure. And while it's semantics I don't think you walk around saying you were innocent of those charges. You say you were never found guilty but you did settle so some acknowledgment took place.

I get what you are saying, but it's definitely a thing to settle while acknowledging no fault. Companies in civil suits do it all the time.

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what criminal record does he have other than a misdemeanor "failure to identify" from 2012?

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He's had a couple domestic violence accusations with his ex girlfriend, but no charges were ever filed.

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Actually, charges were filed and he entered a diversion deal that would allow for them to ultimately be dismissed.

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And he's still innocent of the charges.

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That's not how innocent works. He may not have been guilty of all of those charges but agreeing to a program that dismisses charges ultimately means acknowledgment of some guilt.

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I'm not a legal expert. Just going by the term "innocent until proven guilty".

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what criminal record does he have other than a misdemeanor "failure to identify" from 2012?

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He's had a couple domestic violence accusations with his ex girlfriend, but no charges were ever filed.

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Actually, charges were filed and he entered a diversion deal that would allow for them to ultimately be dismissed.

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And he's still innocent of the charges.

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He is presumed innocent by the law until he is proven guilty.

That's not how innocent works. He may not have been guilty of all of those charges but agreeing to a program that dismisses charges ultimately means acknowledgment of some guilt.

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I'm not a legal expert. Just going by the term "innocent until proven guilty".

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No one is ever proven innocent in a criminal case, however. What happens in a criminal case is a person is either proven guilty beyond a reasonable doubt or he is not. The burden of persuasion is entirely on the government. There are many factually guilty people walking around who just were not proven legally guilty.

And in terms of acknowledging some guilt, that is only partially true. Some innocent people acknowledge some guilt legally just to avoid the risk of trial. So he legally acknowledged some guilt to take the plea deal but he may have been completely innocent factually speaking.

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Pro sports is not exactly the same as working g at the Jiffy Lube, smart guy.

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I'm not sure I follow?

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You can't compare people getting fired from a pro sports team to getting fired from a 9 to 5. The circumstances aren't similar. If you get fired from a regular job, you probably are a loser in life. Not always the case in pro sports.

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Pro sports is not exactly the same as working g at the Jiffy Lube, smart guy.

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I'm not sure I follow?

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You can't compare people getting fired from a pro sports team to getting fired from a 9 to 5. The circumstances aren't similar. If you get fired from a regular job, you probably are a loser in life. Not always the case in pro sports.

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I don't care who you are or what you do, if you get fired for showing up to work drunk or not showing up at all, you have a problem.

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Pro sports is not exactly the same as working g at the Jiffy Lube, smart guy.

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I'm not sure I follow?

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You can't compare people getting fired from a pro sports team to getting fired from a 9 to 5. The circumstances aren't similar. If you get fired from a regular job, you probably are a loser in life. Not always the case in pro sports.

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He wasn't passed over by someone better, he was fired because he couldn't come to work on time and wouldn't learn his job. It's pretty much identical to being fired from Jiffy Lube for not coming to work on time... smart guy

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Pro sports is not exactly the same as working g at the Jiffy Lube, smart guy.

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I'm not sure I follow?

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You can't compare people getting fired from a pro sports team to getting fired from a 9 to 5. The circumstances aren't similar. If you get fired from a regular job, you probably are a loser in life. Not always the case in pro sports.

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He wasn't passed over by someone better, he was fired because he couldn't come to work on time and wouldn't learn his job. It's pretty much identical to being fired from Jiffy Lube for not coming to work on time... smart guy

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Except a sports contract is nothing like Jiffy Lube. Also you are assuming a lot.

Also he was not passed over by someone better. He was expected the be the starter next year. I am not sure where this narrative comes from.

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Pro sports is not exactly the same as working g at the Jiffy Lube, smart guy.

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I'm not sure I follow?

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You can't compare people getting fired from a pro sports team to getting fired from a 9 to 5. The circumstances aren't similar. If you get fired from a regular job, you probably are a loser in life. Not always the case in pro sports.

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He wasn't passed over by someone better, he was fired because he couldn't come to work on time and wouldn't learn his job. It's pretty much identical to being fired from Jiffy Lube for not coming to work on time... smart guy

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Except a sports contract is nothing like Jiffy Lube. Also you are assuming a lot.

Also he was not passed over by someone better. He was expected the be the starter next year. I am not sure where this narrative comes from.

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I said "he was not passed over by someone better". I said "he was not passed over by someone better".

He was fired for not coming to work, just like a dude a Jiffy Lube would be.

Manziel didn't get the money from the 3rd year of his contract. The NFL let Cleveland nullify the 3rd year because he got fired for not coming to work and being a bad employee

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Pro sports is not exactly the same as working g at the Jiffy Lube, smart guy.

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I'm not sure I follow?

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You can't compare people getting fired from a pro sports team to getting fired from a 9 to 5. The circumstances aren't similar. If you get fired from a regular job, you probably are a loser in life. Not always the case in pro sports.

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He wasn't passed over by someone better, he was fired because he couldn't come to work on time and wouldn't learn his job. It's pretty much identical to being fired from Jiffy Lube for not coming to work on time... smart guy

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Except a sports contract is nothing like Jiffy Lube. Also you are assuming a lot.

Also he was not passed over by someone better. He was expected the be the starter next year. I am not sure where this narrative comes from.

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I said "he was not passed over by someone better". I said "he was not passed over by someone better".

He was fired for not coming to work, just like a dude a Jiffy Lube would be.

Manziel didn't get the money from the 3rd year of his contract. The NFL let Cleveland nullify the 3rd year because he got fired for not coming to work and being a bad employee

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Sorry misread. That's what I get for trying to respond while on s conference call. I totally agree about the NFL comment.

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Hopefully your not referring to his colon.

This is how the story was reported in Canada.

Johnny Manziel skipped meetings required by the CFL: sources
https://3downnation.com/2019/02/28/johnny-manziel-skipped-meetings-required-by-the-cfl-sources/

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According to sources, when the 2012 Heisman Trophy winner was negotiating his contract with the Ticats last spring, Manziel wanted the ability to take a shot at the NFL after one CFL season. The league did not have an option year window in place at the time it was re-added last August and would not allow the stipulation into his contract.

But Manziel knew that by not going to mandatory doctors visits, required lithium tests or meeting a therapist once a week conditions of the agreement he revealed to USA Today last June would potentially force the CFL to void it. Essentially, Manziel had an out clause if he wanted it.

The league offered Manziel the chance to rectify the breach, but the 26-year-old was unwilling to proceed. Alouettes general manager Kavis Reed would have kept Manziel on the roster if the league had not intervened.

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I wouldn't go to his signing, if I just happened to go buy there he would have to pay me $100 to take it.