Another thing that would help is to see where the ball landed. Is there video of that? Everything I have seen the ball leaves the screen before it hits the ground.

TexAg1987 said:

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Another thing that would help is to see where the ball landed. Is there video of that? Everything I have seen the ball leaves the screen before it hits the ground.

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Agreed. Kept looking for them to extrapolate from where it left his hand and where it hit the ground.

Physics would tell you where it traveled - although the camera angle was not straight down the sideline.

But if it left his hand at the 2.5 YL 1 foot from the sideline and landed 5 yards beyond the pylon and 2 yards out of bounds you could definitely say at the goaline line it was at least a 1 foot out of bounds (e.g. 7.5 yards vertically and 2 yards + 1 foot horizontally means that after 1/3 (2.5 yards) of the distance vertically at the goal line it was 1/3 of the way horizontally or 1/3 of 7 feet = 2.33 feet and since it started 1 foot in bounds that would make it OOB by 1.33 feet).

Assuming no wind of course.

Zombie Jon Snow said:

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TexAg1987 said:

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Another thing that would help is to see where the ball landed. Is there video of that? Everything I have seen the ball leaves the screen before it hits the ground.

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Agreed. Kept looking for them to extrapolate from where it left his hand and where it hit the ground.

Physics would tell you where it traveled - although the camera angle was not straight down the sideline.

But if it left his hand at the 2.5 YL 1 foot from the sideline and landed 5 yards beyond the pylon and 2 yards out of bounds you could definitely say at the goaline line it was at least a 1 foot out of bounds (e.g. 7.5 yards vertically and 2 yards + 1 foot horizontally means that after 1/3 (2.5 yards) of the distance vertically at the goal line it was 1/3 of the way horizontally or 1/3 of 7 feet = 2.33 feet and since it started 1 foot in bounds that would make it OOB by 1.33 feet).

Assuming no wind of course.

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I applaud your mathematical prowess, but I don't think refs are gifted in the art of physics.

Are refs allowed to used logic/reason? Or does it just have to be what the eye sees, ergo "conclusive video evidence"?

http://www.cbssports.com/general/video/714633ae-6732-414a-85c3-7469a29f4eb0

It'd be really easy and common sense to do this, but they would have to be trained, and this is just too rare of a situation for them to have a protocol for this.

All they would have to do is one ref continues to watch the flight of the ball, watch where it hits, or who it hits, and then mark and go to that spot, while the other guy standing on top of the play goes to his marker for the spot of the fumble. You simply have to stand in both spots and look at each other to see a straight path of flight.

JJxvi said:

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It'd be really easy and common sense to do this, but they would have to be trained, and this is just too rare of a situation for them to have a protocol for this.

All they would have to do is one ref continues to watch the flight of the ball, watch where it hits, or who it hits, and then mark and go to that spot, while the other guy standing on top of the play goes to his marker for the spot of the fumble. You simply have to stand in both spots and look at each other to see a straight path of flight.

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Very similar to kicks out of bounds.

JJxvi said:

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It'd be really easy and common sense to do this, but they would have to be trained, and this is just too rare of a situation for them to have a protocol for this.

All they would have to do is one ref continues to watch the flight of the ball, watch where it hits, or who it hits, and then mark and go to that spot, while the other guy standing on top of the play goes to his marker for the spot of the fumble. You simply have to stand in both spots and look at each other to see a straight path of flight.

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Yep that's an easy solution.

LukeDuke said:

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Then the Head linesman, Steve Clein, enters the frame emphatically waving his arms above his head.

Clein says something to Liotus and Liotus begins waving his arms above his head as well.

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according to the NCAA official signals graphic posted what we have here is 'unofficial arms waving signal' for "WTF are you doing! hold on while I royally phock Jimbo!"

Doesn't help Florida State at all so I guess the suggestion is it's just about screwing over the guy that shunned Florida State?