Listening today to 610 in Houston at lunch, had Clint Stoerner former QB at Arkansas talking about how excited he was that Arkansas got Chavis to be DC. When asked about how Chavis defenses did not perform well at A&M; he stated how A&M got by on raw talent, that he actually attended practices while doing media work and was amazed how undisciplined they were conducted. Stated that most coaches play music etc, but he had never witnessed players taking pictures with cell phones before during practice.
Practices under previous staff
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Holy **** I can't believe it
revvie said:
Listening today to 610 in Houston at lunch, had Clint Stoerner former QB at Arkansas talking about how excited he was that Arkansas got Chavis to be DC. When asked about how Chavis defenses did not perform well at A&M; he stated how A&M got by on raw talent, that he actually attended practices while doing media work and was amazed how undisciplined they were conducted. Stated that most coaches play music etc, but he had never witnessed players taking pictures with cell phones before during practice.
I've been to a number of practices and I never saw that. What I did see was coaches getting after kids asses.
Well now I don't know who to believe
ashley said:revvie said:
Listening today to 610 in Houston at lunch, had Clint Stoerner former QB at Arkansas talking about how excited he was that Arkansas got Chavis to be DC. When asked about how Chavis defenses did not perform well at A&M; he stated how A&M got by on raw talent, that he actually attended practices while doing media work and was amazed how undisciplined they were conducted. Stated that most coaches play music etc, but he had never witnessed players taking pictures with cell phones before during practice.
I've been to a number of practices and I never saw that. What I did see was coaches getting after kids asses.
Amazing Moves said:
Hyping a coach who's on his retirement tour. With how fast Chad runs the O, Chavis doesn't stand a chance.
I asked him once if hunh affects the defense being on the field for so many snaps. He said it doesn't matter because the defense's job is to get off the field.
That might have just been coach speak but surely he knows that the offense is tied at the hip with the defense in terms of controlling the games. If the offense isn't efficient like we were under Sumlin then they're hanging the defense out to dry often at critical points during the game.
I believe Jimbo explains that on a video of one of his lectures at a coaching convention.
Edit: Here's the video, the whole first part of the video is relevant but the particular bit I'm talking about starts at about 1:30.
and Jimbo is absolutely right, with Sumlin we treated offense and defense as two seperate entities that would compete for their part and not care about the other side. While they are both connected since they are in the same game. the offense should adapt their style to help the defense and vice versa. The goal is to win the football game, not have the best offense.
From the video- Jimbo- "If you want your defense to develop, there has to be a physicality to your offense." Amen. Sumlin didn't understand this.
What's your opinion on water balloon fights?
ashley said:revvie said:
Listening today to 610 in Houston at lunch, had Clint Stoerner former QB at Arkansas talking about how excited he was that Arkansas got Chavis to be DC. When asked about how Chavis defenses did not perform well at A&M; he stated how A&M got by on raw talent, that he actually attended practices while doing media work and was amazed how undisciplined they were conducted. Stated that most coaches play music etc, but he had never witnessed players taking pictures with cell phones before during practice.
I've been to a number of practices and I never saw that. What I did see was coaches getting after kids asses.
Are not even doing phrasing anymore???
I sat behind the team bench when K-State beat us in Houston, and I was pissed at how the players were all laughing and cutting up while they were getting beat. When you spend big bucks to go to a game, it's not a good look. I wanted Sumlin fired after that game.
Chavis will suck there. He needs top 5 talent every year.
Why?! They aren't getting paid... they're kids.
runontexas said:
Why?! They aren't getting paid... they're kids.
$40 + education
Plus books
Plus supplies
plus tutoring
plus player development to try to get to the NFL
Plus room
Plus board
Plus prime access to the Aggie Network once you graduate of the NFLisn't in your future.
Plus clothing
Plus whatever stipend the NCAA is letting them pay players now.
Plus professional development classes to help you interview after graduation.
Any football player that doesn't graduate and immediately land a decent paying (50k+)job straight out of school failed to work the system properly.
That's at least $100 grand of goods/services/development to play a game. If not more.
That's not professional money, but then again these guys aren't pros.
I remember Rick Neuheisel when he 1st got to Colorado after McCartney resigned. Very relaxed, played music, went tubing as a team, sat around the campfire singing kumbaya, etc. The media jumped on it because it was 180 degrees different than the Bear Bryant method-of-coaching. It worked for awhile because of the talent that was there, but IMO, it led to his demise because I feel that it created too mellow of an atmosphere and the team lost their aggressiveness/killer instinct when they played a team that played physical. In the end, Neuheisel was fired & CU brought in Gary Barnett, a no-nonsense type of coach.
I thought about Neuheisel when the media made Sumlin a darling in his inaugural year at A&M. I wondered how Sumlin & Co. could keep his players hungry & motivated. But much like Rick, Kevin's success waned each year at the helm, so his act got tired & A&M decided to get an old-fashioned football coach. Enter Jimbo Fisher & his staff. They immediately orchestrated a 180 degree turnabout from the Sumlin era practices according to many of the current players. I'm not saying that this method of coaching will automatically equate to 2 or more wins/year but I like the way that he is trying to mentally & physically toughen up our players, especially when we play in the what is generally considered the toughest, most physical division in all of college football.
I thought about Neuheisel when the media made Sumlin a darling in his inaugural year at A&M. I wondered how Sumlin & Co. could keep his players hungry & motivated. But much like Rick, Kevin's success waned each year at the helm, so his act got tired & A&M decided to get an old-fashioned football coach. Enter Jimbo Fisher & his staff. They immediately orchestrated a 180 degree turnabout from the Sumlin era practices according to many of the current players. I'm not saying that this method of coaching will automatically equate to 2 or more wins/year but I like the way that he is trying to mentally & physically toughen up our players, especially when we play in the what is generally considered the toughest, most physical division in all of college football.
Please. Chavis is not a soft coach. No one has ever claimed that.
I'm glad we have a new staff, but this obsession some people have with criticizing the previous staff is ridiculous. Get over it.
I'm glad we have a new staff, but this obsession some people have with criticizing the previous staff is ridiculous. Get over it.
Even more than talent can be benefiting from the discipline from the previous staff. That 2012 team was still pretty physical under Sumlin because that offensive line and defensive guys like Kirby Ennis, Spencer Nealy, Jonathan Stewart, and Sean Porter played under Shermans pro system where there was physical play.Quote:
It worked for awhile because of the talent that was there
ConLaw said:
Please. Chavis is not a soft coach. No one has ever claimed that.
I'm glad we have a new staff, but this obsession some people have with criticizing the previous staff is ridiculous. Get over it.
Correct, he is not a soft coach, but he's developed a bad case of the **** its. Not a good look from an SEC legend that we paid a lot of money for and really didn't do much better than Snyder at the end of the day.
But, you know, moto speeches about "do my job" and wolfpacks and shlt was good enough for Sumlin.
If you go back and read the original post Clint Stoerner is excited that Arkansas has Chavis now, so that lays the soft, undisciplined practices on Sumlin's doorstep as the head coach.ConLaw said:
Please. Chavis is not a soft coach. No one has ever claimed that.
I'm glad we have a new staff, but this obsession some people have with criticizing the previous staff is ridiculous. Get over it.
And people are saying that there's only so much a defensive coach can do to toughen his players up if the offense they practice against every day is soft. As they say, iron sharpens iron.
Ags4DaWin said:runontexas said:
Why?! They aren't getting paid... they're kids.
$40 + education
Plus books
Plus supplies
plus tutoring
plus player development to try to get to the NFL
Plus room
Plus board
Plus prime access to the Aggie Network once you graduate of the NFLisn't in your future.
Plus clothing
Plus whatever stipend the NCAA is letting them pay players now.
Plus professional development classes to help you interview after graduation.
Any football player that doesn't graduate and immediately land a decent paying (50k+)job straight out of school failed to work the system properly.
That's at least $100 grand of goods/services/development to play a game. If not more.
That's not professional money, but then again these guys aren't pros.
What's the $40 bucks for?
Where is tuition?
ashley said:revvie said:
Listening today to 610 in Houston at lunch, had Clint Stoerner former QB at Arkansas talking about how excited he was that Arkansas got Chavis to be DC. When asked about how Chavis defenses did not perform well at A&M; he stated how A&M got by on raw talent, that he actually attended practices while doing media work and was amazed how undisciplined they were conducted. Stated that most coaches play music etc, but he had never witnessed players taking pictures with cell phones before during practice.
I've been to a number of practices and I never saw that. What I did see was coaches getting after kids asses.
You accidentally went to State College, not College Station. Oops. Those two are easy to mix up.
Love Gun said:ConLaw said:
Please. Chavis is not a soft coach. No one has ever claimed that.
I'm glad we have a new staff, but this obsession some people have with criticizing the previous staff is ridiculous. Get over it.
Correct, he is not a soft coach, but he's developed a bad case of the **** its. Not a good look from an SEC legend that we paid a lot of money for and really didn't do much better than Snyder at the end of the day.
But, you know, moto speeches about "do my job" and wolfpacks and shlt was good enough for Sumlin.
I lay the discipline and softness issues at Sumlin's feet. Chavis didn't make the offense soft, and he didn't have anything to do with the team being soft before he got here. If Sumlin wasn't going to maintain discipline team wide and run physical practices, there's not much a DC can do. I think he got sold a bill of goods coming here under Sumlin.
ABATTBQ11 said:Love Gun said:ConLaw said:
Please. Chavis is not a soft coach. No one has ever claimed that.
I'm glad we have a new staff, but this obsession some people have with criticizing the previous staff is ridiculous. Get over it.
Correct, he is not a soft coach, but he's developed a bad case of the **** its. Not a good look from an SEC legend that we paid a lot of money for and really didn't do much better than Snyder at the end of the day.
But, you know, moto speeches about "do my job" and wolfpacks and shlt was good enough for Sumlin.
I lay the discipline and softness issues at Sumlin's feet. Chavis didn't make the offense soft, and he didn't have anything to do with the team being soft before he got here. If Sumlin wasn't going to maintain discipline team wide and ruin physical practices, there's not much a DC can do. I think he got sold a bill of goods coming here under Sumlin.
I agree that was sold a bill of goods, but he was st least expected to perform. It seems like his defenses regressed each year. The ASU game was amazing, but we never saw anything like that ever again. Liucci even said that Chavis did essentially nothing for most of last season
ashley said:revvie said:
Listening today to 610 in Houston at lunch, had Clint Stoerner former QB at Arkansas talking about how excited he was that Arkansas got Chavis to be DC. When asked about how Chavis defenses did not perform well at A&M; he stated how A&M got by on raw talent, that he actually attended practices while doing media work and was amazed how undisciplined they were conducted. Stated that most coaches play music etc, but he had never witnessed players taking pictures with cell phones before during practice.
I've been to a number of practices and I never saw that. What I did see was coaches getting after kids asses.
Haha what? The reason Sumlin was let go is he was too lenient and didn't hold his players and coaches accountable. Chavis' results here speak for themselves.
meh the guy gets paid to report good things on Arkansas, he has to say that. He probably went to some half media day half practice thing where guys were having fun.
Chavis is a great coach when he has his type of players. Unfortunately, he/we didn't recruit well enough to excel LSU style.
Ultimately, his defense did keep us in a lot of games we lost late and he helped guide a few guys to the pros (Evans, B. Will, Watts). Best of luck to him at Arky until he plays the Ags.
Chavis is a great coach when he has his type of players. Unfortunately, he/we didn't recruit well enough to excel LSU style.
Ultimately, his defense did keep us in a lot of games we lost late and he helped guide a few guys to the pros (Evans, B. Will, Watts). Best of luck to him at Arky until he plays the Ags.
Chavis ain't going to save Arkansas unless Chad Morris all of a sudden changes his philosophy to be defensive minded. Yes SMU was a different level down from the SEC, but regsrdless of where a coach coaches, the style of their coaching is evident in the games....and Chad does not cultivate a physical program. This was most evident in how SMU did against their peers with similar talent: Rice, UH, North Texas, etc. A vast majority of the games under Chad had high scores on both sides of the column. I'm not worried about Chad and Chavis, especially because they have little talent to work with.
I see Chad as a Sumlin 2.0 except his ability to recruit well is yet to be seen. Chavis did well under head coaches that emphasized and bred a physical culture like Les Miles and Phil Fulmer. He did not do nearly as well under Sumlin despite having decent to good talent because of the lack of physical culture. Look how different it is under Fisher than under Sumlin - this is proof Sumlin didn't know much about being a physical program.
I see Chad as a Sumlin 2.0 except his ability to recruit well is yet to be seen. Chavis did well under head coaches that emphasized and bred a physical culture like Les Miles and Phil Fulmer. He did not do nearly as well under Sumlin despite having decent to good talent because of the lack of physical culture. Look how different it is under Fisher than under Sumlin - this is proof Sumlin didn't know much about being a physical program.
So Chavis is a yes man and keeps quiet and just goes along with whatever even if he doesn't agree with it?
He didn't directly criticize Sumlin but from the day he got here he said the team wasn't big enough, strong enough, or physical enough. But he would also always say it was his responsibility to still put them in positions to succeed.MarcAg said:
So Chavis is a yes man and keeps quiet and just goes along with whatever even if he doesn't agree with it?
I don't think Chavis will get LSU quality talent at Arkansas and we needed a change, but the fact that we have a decent linebacking corps for the first time in recent memory is attributable to Chavis.
Our TE's are going to eat Chavis's lunch. Especially on third down.
Reminds me of Nam
Newsflash!ClassOf17 said:
Chavis is a great coach when he has his type of players. Unfortunately, he/we didn't recruit well enough to excel LSU.
This is totally new information that we've never heard before.
LOL
I don't know if the practices were hard or soft under Sumlin.
I just know the results weren't there on the field.
I just know the results weren't there on the field.
Remember this?TyperWoods said:
I don't know if the practices were hard or soft under Sumlin.
I just know the results weren't there on the field.
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AGinHI said:Remember this?TyperWoods said:
I don't know if the practices were hard or soft under Sumlin.
I just know the results weren't there on the field.
I remember. Seems Sumlin's acceptance of mediocre performance resonated with both the players and coaches. But, you know, $5 million a year doesn't buy success like it used to.
ConLaw said:
Please. Chavis is not a soft coach. No one has ever claimed that.
I'm glad we have a new staff, but this obsession some people have with criticizing the previous staff is ridiculous. Get over it.
Well, there was something wrong with the prior staff. People were frustrated, rightfully so. They may all be great, but together as a group they underachieved.
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