floridAG said:

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Second winningest coach post since WW2 by percentage. So, behind Slocum.

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We were on probation with RC.

And we were playing in the SWC (so what conference) with RC, not the SEC west.

And we had our starting quarterback lose significant time due to injury in 5 of Sumlin's 6 seasons.


But Sumlin, the most consistent coach we have had since WW2 without being on probation, is terrible because whiny millennial internet fans deserve a championship every year....

Yeah, ok.

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floridAG said:

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Second winningest coach post since WW2 by percentage. So, behind Slocum.

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Dang, I didn't realize that.

It just shows how rabid our fanbase is for wanting to get rid of him.

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Says more about our past..... which involves a lot of "aww shucks, he's a nice guy" accepting of mediocrity.

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Possibly true. I guess that it just shows the pendulum has swung too far the other way now since we are willing to fire a good coach?

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Teams committed to actually winning championships sometimes have to consider parting ways with "good" coaches.

Hopefully the days of Texas A&M being content with somewhere above middle of the pack are over.

44-10

Sumlin has been good. Just has not met expectations....... Which are high.

My questions is: What better options are out there? Saban? No. Harbaugh? No. Art Briles? Jon Gruden? Jimbo Fisher? Maybe? Cost? Better? Or who else?

Sumlin hasn't met expectations but who is available that could? Don't say anybody, cause Sumlin is winning.

Identify a better option and let's go. I'm not sure I see a better option(Herman was it?)

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If A&M lets Sumlin go it just might be the biggest mistake since R.C. was let go. Firing a coach that has never had a loosing season at the school is just plan stupid, unless it is for lack of moral character. Of all the names that have been advanced for replacement does not show any advantages only disadvantages.

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The overall record looks great, but it falls apart under any scrutiny. Since Johnny left, Sumlin is 8-15 against the SEC West (will be 8-16 next week after LSU thrashes us). 4 of those 8 wins were against Arkansas, which has finished 7, 3, 5, 7 in the division during the post-Johnny years (and they're about to fire their HC for performing so badly). In other words, Sumlin has consistently beaten one of the worst teams in the division and posted a win percentage of 20 -- 1 out of every 5 games -- against the other 5 teams in the division.

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Give these coaches and players the support they need and continue to build a good team.

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If you're a football coach on the A&M campus, your biggest fear isn't the AD, but Kevin Sumlin. IF we were to give him another year, he'd likely can his 3rd OC in 5 years. He's already fired a DC, OL, S&C, WR, and more. I honestly can't remember all the coaches he's let fired, but it's a lot.

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We could end up just like Arkansas. In the SWC they were a national power house and since their move to SEC they have never gained the level they had in the SWC, Be careful what you wish for it could come back and bite you.

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Fear of failure is no reason not to try.

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Yes, I want to see championships but I am also willing to build it the right way that could last for a long time. Go back and look at Tom Landry and how he built the Dallas Cowboys.

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See my point regarding coaching stability. He's not building anything "the right way," he's desperately shuffling through assistants and coordinators faster than a sailor goes through hookers during a Bangkok shore leave.

He has just as much consistency in his coaching staff as Saban over the past several years. He issue has always been consistency at QB and finding a defense that has depth in the front 6. He finally has the latter and may be on his way to the former.

Crushes Dana X. Bible.

where does Sumlin rank all-time?

my rankings...post WWII...(so Homer Norton is not included)

1. Slocum
2. Jackie
3. Sumlin
4. Bellard

If your'e happy with finishing 3rd to 5th in the SECW then standing pat is the right answer. With the amount invested in this program I think it's more than reasonable to set the goals higher and continue trying until it happens. Sumlin might catch lightning in a bottle every 5 or 6 yrs and he will average 8.5 wins per season. That's what he is. A decent coach and good guy that cannot consistently compete for championships in a division like the SECW.

Sumlin ranks under Sherrill and Bellard for sure. Bellard and Sherrill both built the program from the ground up. Sumlin is probably on par with RC.

Sherrill also brought on sanctions.

Sherrill and Slocum were better winning at Kyle , beating rivals, competing for conference championships
Sumlin is in with Bellard and Wilson
ahead of Fran and Sleepy
i think that is all the coaches in the last 40 years

Whatever. He did the same thing his competition was doing. He does that at tu and nothing ever happens imo.

My list, in order:

Bear Bryant
Homer Norton
DX Bible
Jackie Sherrill
RC Slocum
Charlie Moran
Kevin Sumlin
Emory Bellard

He's seventh, but that's still some very good company he's in. KS has been a good coach, mentor to players, and representative of A&M.

Still...it's time.

Inability to hire effective assistants has been his downfall.

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He has just as much consistency in his coaching staff as Saban over the past several years. He issue has always been consistency at QB and finding a defense that has depth in the front 6. He finally has the latter and may be on his way to the former.

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Having coaches leave is much different than the "you're fired!" musical chairs we've been playing for years now.

it is interesting to look back and realize that Bellard was #1 on the list at one time.

but the tough thing about his years (72-78) were the championships left on the table and the bitter, bitter, bitter late season losses.

only won 1 bowl game and only had 1 top 10 poll finish.

and those A&M teams had serious NFL talent at most positions. To be fair several SWC programs did too in those days

That, plus the fact the wishbone was so damn boring to watch.

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because whiny millennial internet fans deserve a championship every year....

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We haven't had a conference championship since 1998. You can say a lot about our fanbase, but I don't know that entitled or spoiled are remotely realistic accusations.

Everyone on that list except RC & Summy wouldn't last a year in the modern SEC

please stop with the SEC excuse
USCe, Arky, both miss schools have not been very good the last couple of years. if Sumlin is fired it is because he is 1-3 against the Miss school last 2 years

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it is interesting to look back and realize that Bellard was #1 on the list at one time.

but the tough thing about his years (72-78) were the championships left on the table and the bitter, bitter, bitter late season losses.

only won 1 bowl game and only had 1 top 10 poll finish.

and those A&M teams had serious NFL talent at most positions. To be fair several SWC programs did too in those days

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good points Bellard is the first coach i remember well for numerous reasons i would put Bellard over Sumlin
These years are similiar to Bellard Years

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Just to offer this board some perspective. (Which will probably bring out the mouth breathers, since it seems like I am saying something nice about Sumlin)

Sumlin has been a head coach in the NCAA for 9 seasons.
His record: 79-38 (67.5 win pct)

Compare that to everyone's benchmark: Saban.
In his first 9 seasons as a head coach...
Saban's record: 69-35-1 (65.7 win pct)

Just was a little surprised to learn this.

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Coaching at Houston <<<<< Coaching at Michigan St. and LSU.

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it is interesting to look back and realize that Bellard was #1 on the list at one time.

but the tough thing about his years (72-78) were the championships left on the table and the bitter, bitter, bitter late season losses.

only won 1 bowl game and only had 1 top 10 poll finish.

and those A&M teams had serious NFL talent at most positions. To be fair several SWC programs did too in those days

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good points Bellard is the first coach i remember well for numerous reasons i would put Bellard over Sumlin
These years are similiar to Bellard Years

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I agree. Let's hope we don't have to go through another Tom Wilson to get to our next Jackie.
With the talent we have, if we make the right move on coaches and assistants, a solid recruiting class will follow and we will be ready to roll.
Pass the koolaid, my pitcher is empty.

RC's SOS was far worse than Sumlin.

Considering how Sumlin is one of the highest paid in ALL of college football, I would say he has done a very poor job. I think any random NCAA coach could have done as well as Sumlim. Sumlin inherited the Aggie GOAT and a great team and managed to have mediocre seasons as soon as he started recruiting his own players.

Those of you claiming Sumlin has done great are completely clueless about football and accept mediocrity.

Tired of being middle of the pack sec, unranked and irrelevant

8-5 is not much better than 6-6 it's all unranked and irrelevant

5-7? Not much worse except no meaningless bowl

I'll take my chances for 11-1 and risk 5-7

Just once I'd like to be in Auburn's position; last game of the year winner wins the SEC West

We haven't come close to that with sumlin in 6 years

Sumlin's biggest issue is that he does not have a system

He just hires coordinators and let's them try to implement something, whereas saban has a system and a way of doing things that he adheres to and all of his assistants must adhere to, and when he sees it falling a bit behind he doesn't scrap the system he just makes a few tweaks and he's right back to being unbeatable

You have to have a coaching identity to succeed at the highest level

Sumlin had it in year 1 and then it seems like people convinced him to change who he was by going away from the spread and he has been wallowing waywardly ever since trying to find something that works, which will never work

Sumlin was given so much more than past A&M coaches...

Inherited the Aggie GOAT
Inherited incredibly talented team
Paid, by far, the most of any coach in Aggie History
New stadium
Tremendous resources

Yet here we sit after another mediocre season and some fans thinking he should stay. WTF?

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He has just as much consistency in his coaching staff as Saban over the past several years. He issue has always been consistency at QB and finding a defense that has depth in the front 6. He finally has the latter and may be on his way to the former.

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Saban's assistants are hired away to be head coaches at D1 schools and Sumlin's are being fired for performance issues!

So he hasn't recruited or developed talent well? More than just QB and DL... add in LB, FB, CB, S, OL, & TE!

Sumlin ranks between "ass" and "dude"

1-11 Vs LSU and Bama

How old are you?
Jackie Sherrill was the highest paid college football coach ever at the time.
RC inheritance of talent was similar to Sumlin from Jackie....
Jackie embarrassed the university and was fired.

I agree that Sumlin has under achieved but it could be so much worse. We better get the right guy if you are going to fire a decent coach/recruiter who for the most part has done it above board IMO.

Fran was the best hire in the history of college football at the time.
Nebraska fired a solid coach and have regretted ever since ( Solich).

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Everyone on that list except RC & Summy wouldn't last a year in the modern SEC

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You dont know that at all. If they were born in this era and became coaches, then they would be coaching modern day football techniques, offenses, and defenses.

I think we could pay less for same coaching style. Sumlin can not win against tough teams. Not sure who the BMAs are going to settle for. I am not confident in their decisions and negotiating.

DrHeadShrink said:

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Most $$$$ per win of any coach anywhere EVER

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I saw that on another site....so AGGIE JOKEish

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DrHeadShrink said:

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Most $$$$ per win of any coach anywhere EVER

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I saw that on another site....so AGGIE JOKEish

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Don't think so. Little brother sip paid far more $$$$ for Charlie Strong's 16 wins.