Notably, only one coach has done better in their first six seasons and that was RC when he took over.

Outside of those years, this is the best six year stretch of Aggie football in our history measured by total wins. It is tough to argue that this also isn't the toughest stretch in our history of teams/talent we have faced.

I still expect/want more but we really to make sure that whoever we sign is a lock if we are going to bail on one of our best coaches, statistically, in our program's history.

he wasn't a terrible hire by any means. he just isn't a finisher here. better than Fran or Sherman imo.

Which just goes to show you how mediocre we have been since the WWII era.

Top 5

And I will add that a lot of Sumlins wins have been against weaker OOC opponents.

Division and conference opponents, especially at home, are what we should be focusing on.

Sec? said:

---

Top 5

---

Weak.

Top 3.

He's being graded against a different scale. For what coaches cost today, people expect improvement every year. And when he and his agent successfully floated rumors to con our BMA's into the raise and extension, the stakes were raised.

And the total W-L record doesn't tell the story of the home losses in conference and struggling wins over directional schools. The home record is damned important for fan interest.

Lateralus Ag said:

---

And I will add that a lot of Sumlins wins have been against weaker OOC opponents.

Division and conference opponents, especially at home, are what we should be focusing on.

---

Have to win those as well. He has been the third best team in the West over that time when the so called experts have picked us to finish 5th or worst almost every season. If we played in the east we would have been in the SEC championship every other season.

We get it, OP. You think we should keep Sumlin.

Just because he is one of our top coaches ever doesn't mean he should be retained.

RC mopped up on a dying SWC at a time when UT was suffering under Mac's 1 & 2. So not a good comparison from a SOS standpoint but a lot of wins nonetheless.

One more win, and he's top 5 in wins, with a much shorter tenure than those ranked near him.

Quote:

---

If we played in the east we would have been in the SEC championship every other season.

---

With who at QB?

You could argue we might have been more competitive in the East in 2012 and 13, but Sumlin's 'dog house" drama would have happened regardless of division or conference.

A little ahead of RC or even with him. And hopefully behind the next guy.

If A&M lets Sumlin go it just might be the biggest mistake since R.C. was let go. Firing a coach that has never had a loosing season at the school is just plan stupid, unless it is for lack of moral character. Of all the names that have been advanced for replacement does not show any advantages only disadvantages.

I think all of the talk about replacement of coaches over the past few years has been a big disadvantage for the school, coaches, and the team. I will say it again that we are becoming as arrogant as we have accused the sips for being.

Give these coaches and players the support they need and continue to build a good team. We could end up just like Arkansas. In the SWC they were a national power house and since their move to SEC they have never gained the level they had in the SWC, Be careful what you wish for it could come back and bite you.

Yes, I want to see championships but I am also willing to build it the right way that could last for a long time. Go back and look at Tom Landry and how he built the Dallas Cowboys.

Second winningest coach post since WW2 by percentage. So, behind Slocum.

bmorris_iii said:

---

If A&M lets Sumlin go it just might be the biggest mistake since R.C. was let go. Firing a coach that has never had a loosing season at the school is just plan stupid, unless it is for lack of moral character. Of all the names that have been advanced for replacement does not show any advantages only disadvantages.

I think all of the talk about replacement of coaches over the past few years has been a big disadvantage for the school, coaches, and the team. I will say it again that we are becoming as arrogant as we have accused the sips for being.

Give these coaches and players the support they need and continue to build a good team. We could end up just like Arkansas. In the SWC they were a national power house and since their move to SEC they have never gained the level they had in the SWC, Be careful what you wish for it could come back and bite you.

Yes, I want to see championships but I am also willing to build it the right way that could last for a long time. Go back and look at Tom Landry and how he built the Dallas Cowboys.

---

Lmao. Stopped reading after that.

All time best.

bmorris_iii said:

---

If A&M lets Sumlin go it just might be the biggest mistake since R.C. was let go. Firing a coach that has never had a loosing season at the school is just plan stupid, unless it is for lack of moral character. Of all the names that have been advanced for replacement does not show any advantages only disadvantages.

I think all of the talk about replacement of coaches over the past few years has been a big disadvantage for the school, coaches, and the team. I will say it again that we are becoming as arrogant as we have accused the sips for being.

Give these coaches and players the support they need and continue to build a good team. We could end up just like Arkansas. In the SWC they were a national power house and since their move to SEC they have never gained the level they had in the SWC, Be careful what you wish for it could come back and bite you.

Yes, I want to see championships but I am also willing to build it the right way that could last for a long time. Go back and look at Tom Landry and how he built the Dallas Cowboys.

---

Once you said " loosing" I stopped reading

Yes, but there have been no NCAA investigations or sanctions under Sumlin, unlike with Slocum.

floridAG said:

---

Second winningest coach post since WW2 by percentage. So, behind Slocum.

---

Dang, I didn't realize that.

It just shows how rabid our fanbase is for wanting to get rid of him.

Quote:

---

Yes, I want to see championships but I am also willing to build it the right way that could last for a long time.

---

There's no consensus on how long it takes. Sometimes it's 1 year. Sometimes 6 or more.

But you usually don't see the same regressions and breakdowns every year in a program that's building "the right way."

DeepEastTxAg said:

---

Yes, but there have been no NCAA investigations or sanctions under Sumlin, unlike with Slocum.

---

We were playing against the sips with RC. Things have a way of "getting fixed" if you play them every year.

Most $$$$ per win of any coach anywhere EVER

Just to offer this board some perspective. (Which will probably bring out the mouth breathers, since it seems like I am saying something nice about Sumlin)

Sumlin has been a head coach in the NCAA for 9 seasons.
His record: 79-38 (67.5 win pct)

Compare that to everyone's benchmark: Saban.
In his first 9 seasons as a head coach...
Saban's record: 69-35-1 (65.7 win pct)

Just was a little surprised to learn this.

If you could just translate head coaching salaries to wins, there'd be at least 20 unbeaten teams every year, which would make for interesting playoffs and some very rich coaches.

Even Meyer has been leaking oil the past three years. How low will they let him go?

Lateralus Ag said:

---

And I will add that a lot of Sumlins wins have been against weaker OOC opponents.

Division and conference opponents, especially at home, are what we should be focusing on.

---

Isn't it time to stop beating that drum? Come on, the writing's on the wall.

DeepEastTxAg said:

---

Yes, but there have been no NCAA investigations or sanctions under Sumlin, unlike with Slocum.

---

This is an incorrect narrative. Manziel was investigated to the point he was suspended for half of a game against Rice.

GOAT status

1930s or whatever these geezers want to play up doesn't count.

Lateralus Ag said:

---

We get it, OP. You think we should keep Sumlin.

Just because he is one of our top coaches ever doesn't mean he should be retained.

---

That right there Sumlins up our problem. Piss poor coaching hires by past ADs, BMAs, and TMF.

HustlerAggie said:

---

floridAG said:

---

Second winningest coach post since WW2 by percentage. So, behind Slocum.

---

Dang, I didn't realize that.

It just shows how rabid our fanbase is for wanting to get rid of him.

---

Says more about our past..... which involves a lot of "aww shucks, he's a nice guy" accepting of mediocrity.

Quote:

---

Go back and look at Tom Landry and how he built the Dallas Cowboys.

---

Pro teams are built with the draft. College is recruiting. Apples and oranges.

Longevity doesn't guarantee anything but insanity if it isn't working.

That was one player. Not the program itself.

The past means nothing. We have higher expectations and he's not getting it done.

Player To Be Named Later said:

---

HustlerAggie said:

---

floridAG said:

---

Second winningest coach post since WW2 by percentage. So, behind Slocum.

---

Dang, I didn't realize that.

It just shows how rabid our fanbase is for wanting to get rid of him.

---

Says more about our past..... which involves a lot of "aww shucks, he's a nice guy" accepting of mediocrity.

---

Possibly true. I guess that it just shows the pendulum has swung too far the other way now since we are willing to fire a good coach?