Florida would be stupid not to hire Scott Frost ASAP. Scott Frost is going to be the next Saban at the right school.

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2008 4-8
2007 8-5
2006 3-9
2005 3-8
2004 3-8
2003 2-10
2002 3-9
2001 3-8

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So Mullen hasn't won anything big while at Miss State but it's ok because they were bad before.
SMU just as bad before Morris but he sucks because he hasn't won anything big?

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Morris coaches in a different and arguably easier conference. Mullen's seasons come against some outstanding competition. Morris hasn't won anything because he's competing with the likes of Alabama and Auburn with the resources of a second tier school. MSU hasn't won a championship in football since 1941, to give you an idea of how much they can't compete. No MSU coach is going to be winning a championship anytime soon. SMU is in a similar boat, but they're also in a ****ty conference.

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Why is he a home run hire that we are missing out on? Based on all the coaching metrics on this board why does Mullen get a pass and is so much more of a great coach?

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MSU is a doormat. Before Mullen, Jackie was their best coach post WWII.

-6 of Jackie's 13 seasons were losing
-Jackie finished career 500
-Jackie finished 16 games under 500 in conference play
-Emory Bellard coached there 7 seasons and had a losing record

Jackie and Emory were both very good coaches. MSU is just a tough place to win. It is the second program, in a small state, with small fan-base relative to the SEC.


Now, would Mullen be able to make the transition to UF?
We dont know.

Idiot. Let Morris post a record like that as HC playing and recruiting against alagotdamnbama, lsu, auburn, us, and the sec east FOR 7 YEARS IN A ROW, and you might, might begin to build a comparison.

Quit pissing on peoples leg with this Morris trash. It's n disgraceful.

not sure whey they'd listen to foley.

His hiring track record is not exemplary. Ron zook and mcelwain

Would Mullen leave with the team he has for next year? Upper classmen and a stud qb? For a dog **** Florida team

We will screw around until he is gone. Come on Auburn end this please

NM. Misread what i thought i was responding to.

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Would Mullen leave with the team he has for next year? Upper classmen and a stud qb? For a dog **** Florida team

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That's a good question and despite what people say our "doormat" is a top 15 paying job and if Mullen stays it will be a top 10 paying job. He was finally allowed to hire a top notch DC in Grantham under Cohen which is something Stricklin wouldn't do. He has a top 15 recruiting class for 2018 with no pressure. He's won half his games against you with 3* recruits not from Texas while Sumlin has had top 10 classes with Texas 4 & 5 star recruits and hasn't done anything with them. Who is the better coach that does more with less? Amazing how a qb that had one other offer from MTSU has come in and run through those top 10 A&M recruiting classes.

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Would Mullen leave with the team he has for next year? Upper classmen and a stud qb? For a dog **** Florida team

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That's a good question and despite what people say our "doormat" is a top 15 paying job and if Mullen stays it will be a top 10 paying job. He was finally allowed to hire a top notch DC in Grantham under Cohen which is something Stricklin wouldn't do. He has a top 15 recruiting class for 2018 with no pressure. He's won half his games against you with 3* recruits not from Texas while Sumlin has had top 10 classes with Texas 4 & 5 star recruits and hasn't done anything with them. Who is the better coach that does more with less? Amazing how a qb that had one other offer from MTSU has come in and run through those top 10 A&M recruiting classes.

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To be fair, you're not comparing apples to apples. Y'all have a real football coach. We have a guy that gets paid to be a football coach.

And regardless of how many people try to say otherwise, Mullen has always gotten more out of "lesser" players than Sumlin has gotten out of highly recruited athletes. What would Mullen have been able to do with Kyle Allen? Or Kenny Hill? Or even the smurf?

And don't forget Sumlin's cougar high team beat Mullen in Starkville

No hire would instantly split the fan base like he would. Would be a terribly divisive hire.

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No hire would instantly split the fan base like he would. Would be a terribly divisive hire.

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Do it!

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No hire would instantly split the fan base like he would. Would be a terribly divisive hire.

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Why??

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No hire would instantly split the fan base like he would. Would be a terribly divisive hire.

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What?

He could not find a way to call a time out on Saturday good luck Gators he's not that great.
John Gruden or bust

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Idiot. Let Morris post a record like that as HC playing and recruiting against alagotdamnbama, lsu, auburn, us, and the sec east FOR 7 YEARS IN A ROW, and you might, might begin to build a comparison.

Quit pissing on peoples leg with this Morris trash. It's n disgraceful.

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No more disgraceful than your absolute and rather irrational hate for the guy, not to mention your complete inability to admit that Morris has done what pretty much nobody has been able to at SMU for 3+ decades, and that he has a solid resume.

We get it, you think anybody that was ever associated with A&M at some point should automatically be disqualified. Doesnt matter how ignorant or silly that mentality is, you keep letting the board know at every chance.

It's f'n disgraceful.

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And don't forget Sumlin's cougar high team beat Mullen in Starkville

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And we lost to South Alabama last year and still beat you.

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And don't forget Sumlin's cougar high team beat Mullen in Starkville

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And we lost to South Alabama last year and still beat you.

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Well, hell that does suck

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Idiot. Let Morris post a record like that as HC playing and recruiting against alagotdamnbama, lsu, auburn, us, and the sec east FOR 7 YEARS IN A ROW, and you might, might begin to build a comparison.

Quit pissing on peoples leg with this Morris trash. It's n disgraceful.

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No more disgraceful than your absolute and rather irrational hate for the guy, not to mention your complete inability to admit that Morris has done what pretty much nobody has been able to at SMU for 3+ decades, and that he has a solid resume.

We get it, you think anybody that was ever associated with A&M at some point should automatically be disqualified. Doesnt matter how ignorant or silly that mentality is, you keep letting the board know at every chance.

It's f'n disgraceful.

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I'm not saying Mooris doesn't belong on a long form Coaches list, but a lot of phone calls need to go unanswered before we make that one.

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Would Mullen leave with the team he has for next year? Upper classmen and a stud qb? For a dog **** Florida team

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That's a good question and despite what people say our "doormat" is a top 15 paying job and if Mullen stays it will be a top 10 paying job. He was finally allowed to hire a top notch DC in Grantham under Cohen which is something Stricklin wouldn't do. He has a top 15 recruiting class for 2018 with no pressure. He's won half his games against you with 3* recruits not from Texas while Sumlin has had top 10 classes with Texas 4 & 5 star recruits and hasn't done anything with them. Who is the better coach that does more with less? Amazing how a qb that had one other offer from MTSU has come in and run through those top 10 A&M recruiting classes.

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To be fair, you're not comparing apples to apples. Y'all have a real football coach. We have a guy that gets paid to be a football coach.

And regardless of how many people try to say otherwise, Mullen has always gotten more out of "lesser" players than Sumlin has gotten out of highly recruited athletes. What would Mullen have been able to do with Kyle Allen? Or Kenny Hill? Or even the smurf?

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I have no idea what he could have done with them but we have 4* dual threat Keytaon Thompson on the roster and 4* dual threat Jalen Mayden out of Sachse, TX committed in the 2018 class so we'll see what he does with them.

Yes, I think A&M's next coach should get A&M and have access to all those 4 & 5 star Texas players that way every one will get every one.

Mullen has a very solid resume at a backwater joke of a school in a dirt poor state. He's like Mike Leach without the odd personality profile.

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No hire would instantly split the fan base like he would. Would be a terribly divisive hire.

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He's a good coach but would just be a bad fit, on a gator board I posted that I didn't want him and got almost 60 forms of agree and three disagrees.

He was Meyer's offensive coordinator and his offense was never viewed well by the fans, he took a beating. Behind the scenes he was allegedly bad enough and left on bad enough terms that Foley wouldn't even consider him for the last 2 openings.
He and his wife have taken some shots at the program since he left, and he has the worst record in ranked matchups in history.

https://www.seccountry.com/mississippi-state/loss-auburn-dan-mullen-worst-record-ranked-matchups-ap-pol-history

He is viewed as low risk, medium reward. If we are going to start over, most fans want Frost, Taggart, Norvelle...someone young, with energy, exciting offense. Preferably someone who gets the south/Florida and can relate to fans.

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Mullen has a very solid resume at a backwater joke of a school in a dirt poor state. He's like Mike Leach without the odd personality profile.

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I've never been to Starkville, but can you please tell me 1 category where it is a downgrade from the Babylonian Gardens of Bryan/College Station?

Coaching changes are such a toss up to me. The only sure thing of current college coaches out there are Saban and Meyer. Everyone else has been a one and done or some type of fluke season like our 2012 season. Coaching changes is why I started reading TexAgs many years ago because I was tired of Slocum and wanted change. I must say it has not been much better ever since or not what I would have imagined.

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No hire would instantly split the fan base like he would. Would be a terribly divisive hire.

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What?

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He's a good coach but would just be a bad fit, on a gator board I posted that I didn't want him and got almost 60 forms of agree and three disagrees.

He was Meyer's offensive coordinator and his offense was never viewed well by the fans, he took a beating. Behind the scenes he was allegedly bad enough and left on bad enough terms that Foley wouldn't even consider him for the last 2 openings.
He and his wife have taken some shots at the program since he left, and he has the worst record in ranked matchups in history.

https://www.seccountry.com/mississippi-state/loss-auburn-dan-mullen-worst-record-ranked-matchups-ap-pol-history

He is viewed as low risk, medium reward. If we are going to start over, most fans want Frost, Taggart, Norvelle...someone young, with energy, exciting offense. Preferably someone who gets the south/Florida and can relate to fans.

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What about Charlie Strong? He seems like he would be a good fit. He's been successful every where but Texas and the same goes for Manny Diaz. Either one did well in Texas and both were defensive coaches so it may be that Texas kids just can't play defense. Strong is having a good year and Diaz returned to State for a year and our defense looked better than it did with Geoff Collins then Diaz went on to Miami. Both seem to be strong recruiters and they get Florida kids.

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Mullen has a very solid resume at a backwater joke of a school in a dirt poor state. He's like Mike Leach without the odd personality profile.

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I've never been to Starkville, but can you please tell me 1 category where it is a downgrade from the Babylonian Gardens of Bryan/College Station?

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It's not in Texas, everything is bigger and better in Texas what kind of troll are you?

I don't think Mullen would take it. Still think it is Frost

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No hire would instantly split the fan base like he would. Would be a terribly divisive hire.

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What?

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He's a good coach but would just be a bad fit, on a gator board I posted that I didn't want him and got almost 60 forms of agree and three disagrees.

He was Meyer's offensive coordinator and his offense was never viewed well by the fans, he took a beating. Behind the scenes he was allegedly bad enough and left on bad enough terms that Foley wouldn't even consider him for the last 2 openings.
He and his wife have taken some shots at the program since he left, and he has the worst record in ranked matchups in history.

https://www.seccountry.com/mississippi-state/loss-auburn-dan-mullen-worst-record-ranked-matchups-ap-pol-history

He is viewed as low risk, medium reward. If we are going to start over, most fans want Frost, Taggart, Norvelle...someone young, with energy, exciting offense. Preferably someone who gets the south/Florida and can relate to fans.

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What about Charlie Strong? He seems like he would be a good fit. He's been successful every where but Texas and the same goes for Manny Diaz. Either one did well in Texas and both were defensive coaches so it may be that Texas kids just can't play defense. Strong is having a good year and Diaz returned to State for a year and our defense looked better than it did with Geoff Collins then Diaz went on to Miami. Both seem to be strong recruiters and they get Florida kids.

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Florida folks still think highly of Strong, but no chance we would take someone who has failed at another high profile job, even though most agree he would do better at UF than he did at UT. Will never be Diaz for a variety of reasons, mainly he's a defensive guy with no head coaching experience. Florida wants offense, big offense, and a proven commodity,
Of course we will see how the search goes, if we get turned down by enough people we could be singing a different tune in a month.

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I don't think Mullen would take it. Still think it is Frost

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Don't you think Frost would be a better fit at Nebraska where he played?

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I don't think Mullen would take it. Still think it is Frost

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Yeah it all might be moot, he makes over four mill with almost absolute job security, and as o said he might not view his time I gwinseville wit roses and perfume.
Just a question of whether he eventually wants to go somewhere he can compete regularly for national titles, be it UF or some other bigger job.

Frost is at UCF, and he would definitely stay in the same state and move up the road to UF. Nebraska would be after UF on his list, according to several interviews

Florida boosters seem to think he is attainable

Would be an excellent hire and had strong ties to the gator program

June Jones did better. Facts. Keep ignoring them to support mediocrity

This is an accurate statement.