Look at the Bright Complex, what is supposed to be a place to WORK and study is a GD sideshow of catering to 18 year old kids instead of making them MEN. Bright desperately needed a facelift, but some of the stuff that was done and incorporated is ridiculous. Players lounge is fine, barber chair, playtime hot-tubs (not the medical staff type), graffiti murals, etc. it's not supposed to be a place to slack-off and act a fool.....

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Look at the Bright Complex, what is supposed to be a place to WORK and study is a GD sideshow of catering to 18 year old kids instead of making them MEN. Bright desperately needed a facelift, but some of the stuff that was done and incorporated is ridiculous. Players lounge is fine, barber chair, playtime hot-tubs (not the medical staff type), graffiti murals, etc. it's not supposed to be a place to slack-off and act a fool.....

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I recommend you stay away from Clemsom, and almost any major program then.

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The father I've gotten to know has a son who has started quite a few games in his 3 years here and is being counted on for this year. I don't know the kid but I know his father is disappointed in how accountable his kid and apparently the team has been held during this time. His description is he's not his son's buddy, he's his dad. He said they coaches need to quit trying to be the player's buddies and be the coaches.

When my son has sat with the player's families he sometimes has similar stories from other parents sitting in the area.

Y'all can see it any way you like. I think we had an opening for Hocke because Sumlin found another scape goat.

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There is not a win at all costs mentality at A&M and there hasn't been for a long long time. Football, basketball, baseball.... a lot of the fans are more interested in congratulating the team for a "good season" rather than questioning why we choked again. Worse, if you call anyone out you are a "bad aggie."

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This reminds me of the K-State game when so many Aggies making their way out of NRG were whooping nonstop after yet another embarrassing loss to punctuate one of the worst second half season collapses in recent CFB memory. Some will say I'm being overly dramatic, but that 10 minutes or so after the game said a lot about how much a lot of Aggies actually care about winning versus just being good Ags or whatever the hell that means. I'm glad my favorite sports team that I've followed for 30+ years doesn't have an alumni base/fanbase with the reputaion of say, Ohio State, but the posts made here about the culture in general of A&M from the top down hindering the potential of their athletic programs as a whole made more sense to me after that brief egress.

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Unless I am mistaken, no one posting on this thread has any real knowledge of how Sumlin reacts to a loss, nor does anyone on this thread have any knowledge of how it effects Sumlin personally.

And further, in the world I grew up, and especially when I played football, anyone airing that kind of laundry to people outside the locker room would be persona non grata (to say the least). That is pretty ****ty of that player. And his dad needs to keep his trap shut as well.

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This right frickin here.

This notion that real coaches hate to lose and bad coaches joke on the sidelines sounds like made-up drama. You wanna talk passion? How'd Tony Barone do as BB coach? Whatever. Give me a Pete Carroll-type personality at HC ALL DAY! (okay maybe not the sleazy NCAA part). But judging a coach on his PO'd-ness is just making a one-trick argument that every one needs to be like Saban. Okay fine, give us Saban's roster depth and an 8-5 record and we'll all be pissed. This is not why we're losing. I'm with Lat, I'm thinking a 9-3 (won't go 10-2 just yet), but we finally have roster depth almost everywhere (best roster since 2012 IMO) and will give Auburn a run for their contender status in the SEC West.

I've been disappointed with the lack of effort the team put into warm-ups & stretching before games. It showed lack of discipline, not to mention the increased risk of injury by not being properly warmed up. That's what I'll look at to see if there has been a meaningful culture change or not.

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Unless I am mistaken, no one posting on this thread has any real knowledge of how Sumlin reacts to a loss, nor does anyone on this thread have any knowledge of how it effects Sumlin personally.

And further, in the world I grew up, and especially when I played football, anyone airing that kind of laundry to people outside the locker room would be persona non grata (to say the least). That is pretty ****ty of that player. And his dad needs to keep his trap shut as well.

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That's an interesting view point. So the problem is someone stating something pretty obvious - that we're tissue soft rather than our $5MM man creating that culture?

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Lateralus Ag said:

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Unless I am mistaken, no one posting on this thread has any real knowledge of how Sumlin reacts to a loss, nor does anyone on this thread have any knowledge of how it effects Sumlin personally.

And further, in the world I grew up, and especially when I played football, anyone airing that kind of laundry to people outside the locker room would be persona non grata (to say the least). That is pretty ****ty of that player. And his dad needs to keep his trap shut as well.

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That's an interesting view point. So the problem is someone stating something pretty obvious - that we're tissue soft rather than our $5MM man creating that culture?

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Spoken like a real message board tough-guy.

Nope. I just see the problem differently than he does.

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The father I've gotten to know has a son who has started quite a few games in his 3 years here and is being counted on for this year. I don't know the kid but I know his father is disappointed in how accountable his kid and apparently the team has been held during this time. His description is he's not his son's buddy, he's his dad. He said they coaches need to quit trying to be the player's buddies and be the coaches.

When my son has sat with the player's families he sometimes has similar stories from other parents sitting in the area.

Y'all can see it any way you like. I think we had an opening for Hocke because Sumlin found another scape goat.

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There is not a win at all costs mentality at A&M and there hasn't been for a long long time. Football, basketball, baseball.... a lot of the fans are more interested in congratulating the team for a "good season" rather than questioning why we choked again. Worse, if you call anyone out you are a "bad aggie."

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Winning "at all costs" is what Freeze and Briles did.

We should be loath to lose, ever. But it should not be an alternative of lose and be okay with it or win at all costs. I feel like there is still a way to win in an ethical way. Maybe I am not cynical enough.

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We don't loathe to lose. Billy Kennedy gets to the tournament once in five years and gets a five year extension. Rob Childress wins 0 college world series games in 11 years and is praised for success in a "down year." Kevin Sumlin teams have completely folded halfway through the season for what three years now.


No, the culture of A&M from the incoming student up to the high level donors don't demand excellence the way LSU/Auburn/Alabama does. I blame fish camp personally.

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We have won our conference in baseball how many times under Childress?

Billy Kennedy got an extension because he put together the best basketball season we have had in 30 years. He won the first conference championship for a money making sport in over 15 years.

You sound like someone who's expectations greatly exceed reality. You will be miserable no matter how well our program is doing, so there isn't really a point in arguing with you. You are dug in.

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Nope. I just see the problem differently than he does.

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The point is that you could just be making this up. But saying stuff like that doesn't help anyone. It's petty gossip.

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The posters have a good point. I don't us to go the Baylor- Ole Miss route. I want to go the David Shaw at Stanford route . I am not asking to contend every year because you have to bend the rules to do that.. But I think it's reasonable to contend every third or forth year like Stanford

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Need to bend the rules a bit and contend every year(this doesn't mean win every year, just legitimately think you have a chance going into every season) . Don't be art briles or ole miss, but if you came to the sec to not bend the rules you made a bad decision. Or at the very least stretch them as far as possible for every advantage you can get

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mengland said:

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The posters have a good point. I don't us to go the Baylor- Ole Miss route. I want to go the David Shaw at Stanford route . I am not asking to contend every year because you have to bend the rules to do that.. But I think it's reasonable to contend every third or forth year like Stanford

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Need to bend the rules a bit and contend every year(this doesn't mean win every year, just legitimately think you have a chance going into every season) . Don't be art briles or ole miss, but if you came to the sec to not bend the rules you made a bad decision. Or at the very least stretch them as far as possible for every advantage you can get

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Here's the thing about your statement. It's all rumors and speculation and no proof, except for Ole Miss. Granted I think most programs stretch the rules some but I don't know how much or how bad so I'm not going to act like it's all the time and everywhere and must be done.

The truth is I don't know and neither do you or 95% on here.

No leadership among the players. JFF was a motivator. Then you had the Eyore Snowflake twins debacle.

Trevor was a "feel good about yourself" kind of guy and tried pumping up people with positivity.

Im willing to bet there is division on the team. Sumlin doesnt strike me as a unifier. Chavis is as close as it gets for that and Id wager the offense guys tune him out.