And tied for 2nd in the SEC west is our best output.

Lots of useful info OP. Thanks so kindly.

I love Garrett and will get hated on for saying this but I don't think he is going to be that relevant in the NFL. I don't think he has that "it" factor like Von and he is going to the Browns. Hope I am wrong and will certainly be rooting for him.

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Perhaps our "good" recruiting is just one great player ever few years and a whole bunch of misses....

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Good recruiting only helps if you have player development. Otherwise you just field a team of talented but unpolished guys every year that can beat a few teams on talent and luck and then lose to everyone else who has good fundamentals and teamwork.

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ironmanag said:

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Without Sumlin we would have had none of it.

Be very careful what you wish for.

With Sumlin we average 8.5 wins a season, had a Heisman winner, a first overall draft pick, a win over every SEC team except LSU, and all within the first five years in the toughest conference in football.

And several trogs want to blow it all up because Sumlin utterly exceeded thier idiotic predictions of 4-8, 5-7, 6-6.. every single year, but not enough.

Those trogs are so ignorant it's almost cute.

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Sumlin is the 7th (or somewhere around there) highest paid college football coach. He has not produced that level yet. Knowing what we know now, it would have been a better use of salary to keep Sherman.

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Wow

ironmanag said:

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Without Sumlin we would have had none of it.

Be very careful what you wish for.

With Sumlin we average 8.5 wins a season, had a Heisman winner, a first overall draft pick, a win over every SEC team except LSU, and all within the first five years in the toughest conference in football.

And several trogs want to blow it all up because Sumlin utterly exceeded thier idiotic predictions of 4-8, 5-7, 6-6.. every single year, but not enough.

Those trogs are so ignorant it's almost cute.

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The SEC West is not a tough conference. It's Alabama, then LSU, then everyone else. There's a plethora of coaches who could have sleptwalked through our schedule to 8-5 the last 3 years.

If we were 8-5 with a lot of close losses, that would be one thing, but we're not. We've been repeatedly ****ing embarrassed the last 3 years with this team coming out flat and woefully unprepared with the coaches just looking on like deer in the headlights. The ***whippings from MSU and Ole Miss were inexcusable, along with 59-0 and not being able to beat LSU for 5 years even when they're at their ****ing worst.

Without another once in a lifetime player who can take over a game by himself, Sumlin will never be even a 9 win coach here.

Every year we win the opener and our games against a weak OOC schedule. Then we beat Arky, Mizzou, SC and maybe Auburn. Not that great.

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The Heisman winner was not because of him... that was Sherman's recruit. I believe that any coach would have taken Manziel to the winner's circle.. look at our recent QBs... JFF was not because of Sumlin.

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This is such BS. He wouldn't win one under the coach who recruited him. Sherman would have started Showers over Johnny. No matter your feelings on Sumlin, he deserves all the credit for taking the chance to start Johnny.

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This is just stupid. Sumlin was going to start Showers over Johnny until August. He obviously came to the same conclusion you're putting in Sherman's mouth after watching the two for a semester. Johnny didn't decide to get his **** together, get consistent, and stop turning the ball over in practice until after Sherman was gone. If Sherman were still around, he might have kept it together.

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The Heisman winner was not because of him... that was Sherman's recruit. I believe that any coach would have taken Manziel to the winner's circle.. look at our recent QBs... JFF was not because of Sumlin.

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This is such BS. He wouldn't win one under the coach who recruited him. Sherman would have started Showers over Johnny. No matter your feelings on Sumlin, he deserves all the credit for taking the chance to start Johnny.

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This is the truth and even if Sherman started Johnny it probably would not have turned out as well due to style of play.

NevadaAg said:

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The Heisman winner was not because of him... that was Sherman's recruit. I believe that any coach would have taken Manziel to the winner's circle.. look at our recent QBs... JFF was not because of Sumlin.

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This is such BS. He wouldn't win one under the coach who recruited him. Sherman would have started Showers over Johnny. No matter your feelings on Sumlin, he deserves all the credit for taking the chance to start Johnny.

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Firstly, , Sherman was the only coach willing to give Jff a scholarship at qb besides Oregon. Where was sumlin recruiting then? Did he offer Jff?

Secondly, Sherman never got the chance to start or bench Jff. Can't see the future I'm afraid so you can't call that one......

Most of the success sumlin had ( definitely his best record ) was with Sherman's guys. Sumlin's o-line performance has gone from NFL guys to bush league.

That's all on him. He can get flashy receivers, get, and not keep, qb's, but his across the board picks suck. That's why we are here this late in his contract with no o-line and no defense. It takes luck to win championships along with skill.

He's coaching for his career this year. He knows it.

The Miss State game last year did it for me with Sumlin. Absolutely NO excuse for that abysmal performance.

Sumlin out, Peterson in.

ironmanag said:

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Without Sumlin we would have had none of it.

Be very careful what you wish for.

With Sumlin we average 8.5 wins a season, had a Heisman winner, a first overall draft pick, a win over every SEC team except LSU, and all within the first five years in the toughest conference in football.

And several trogs want to blow it all up because Sumlin utterly exceeded thier idiotic predictions of 4-8, 5-7, 6-6.. every single year, but not enough.

Those trogs are so ignorant it's almost cute.

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Seriously? What has Sumlin done that other similar coaches couldn't do?

Oh yeah, I forgot, lose 59-0 to Bama, lost to 2 teams every year he shouldn't, started to lose bowl games, has plateaued at 8 wins sans Johnny, and seen stale recruiting.

But I digress. I guess paying a coach 5 millon a year and having spent hundreds of millions on a new stadium, 8 wins and losing to lesser teams is ok.

At least for fans who think mediocrity is ok for all the $$ which has been invested.

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Yeah, we kinda wasted Myles' talent with no supporting cast.

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No supporting cast? We've had a first round draft pick every year for the last 6 years... we have plenty of talent on the team.

It is pretty obvious we need to petition the NCAA to make some changes:

1. Make football a one man team, to heck with 11.
2. Do away with paid coaches, instead go to one of the dads coaching the team.
3. Skip November.

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No supporting cast?

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Opposing teams were able to double, triple team, and hold MG all the time because we really didn't have any defensive depth to apply pressure anywhere else. (And I'm not using that to excuse the coaching.)

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The Heisman winner was not because of him... that was Sherman's recruit. I believe that any coach would have taken Manziel to the winner's circle.. look at our recent QBs... JFF was not because of Sumlin.

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This is such BS. He wouldn't win one under the coach who recruited him. Sherman would have started Showers over Johnny. No matter your feelings on Sumlin, he deserves all the credit for taking the chance to start Johnny.

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The "showers over Johnny" fact that people throw out is based solely on speculation. Plus, Rossley was the qb coach and LOVED Johnny's game (he was the source of the "Brett Favre on a motorcycle" quote), so it's not even particularly intelligent speculation. We easily could have started Johnny under Sherman.

Heisman and 1st ever Ag to be taken #1 overall, and this all happen when we were in what conference?


#SEC

You know it's crap when we have to completely go overboard touting individual accomplishments because there aren't any as a team.

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Here's the issue. Look at the other teams that have won or consistently finish at the top. Multi 1st and 2nd round picks. We get 1 maybe 2 a year. This is a team sport we need more players to develop into studs instead of the one or two we get.

Luke and Von have a message for ya OP

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Yeah, we kinda wasted Myles' talent with no supporting cast.

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We had a supporting cast. They were just all underachievers.

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AGnCS said:

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Yeah, we kinda wasted Myles' talent with no supporting cast.

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We had a supporting cast. They were just all underachievers.

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Armani Watts All-SEC caliber 4* JR Safety,
Donovan Wilson All-SEC caliber JR nickel,
Justin Evans All-SEC caliber SR Safety
Daeshon Hall 4* SR DE
DE's are backed up by upperclassmen 4*s (J Johnson and Q Cunningham)
Kingsley Keke 4* SO (our best DT and our second-best D lineman)
Zaycoven Henderson 4* JR DT
Daylon Mack 5* SO DT
Experienced seniors at LB (George & Washington) as well as 4* RS SO Alaka, and a pretty decent LB in Moore.
Experienced upperclassmen at CB (Willis & Harvey) both were highly-touted 4*s coming out of high school.

All expierenced & solid-to very good players, or should have been in theory considering the caliber of recruit they were and the time they had to develop. The vaunted John Chavis was our DC. We had experienced coaches at the other positions. And we still couldn't stop anyone when it mattered.