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This will end very badly for Briles.

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I don't believe that. If there was proof he knew things why would he do this? Career suicide if he comes out looking bad.

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Because he's a pompous man whose arrogance has blinded him.

His career suicide was his inaction on rape.

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They'll reach an out of court settlement as both sides would look horrible.

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Briles wouldn't be doing this if he was okay with settling out of court. He wants his name cleared bc he believes this is keeping him from another coaching job.

Seems like a Hail Mary, and it's going to be ugly

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Baptists don't believe in Hail Mary's.

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We don't typically believe in rape either. Baptist values may not be the best measuring stick for Briles.

Kendall Briles has also been relatively unscathed in all of this.

I predict that this defamation lawsuit brings things about him to light that art would rather not come out.

Nice job dad

blumpkin said:

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BMX Bandit said:

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This will end very badly for Briles.

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I don't believe that. If there was proof he knew things why would he do this? Career suicide if he comes out looking bad.

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Because he's betting on the proof not being strong enough.

Womackster said:

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blumpkin said:

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BMX Bandit said:

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This will end very badly for Briles.

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I don't believe that. If there was proof he knew things why would he do this? Career suicide if he comes out looking bad.

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Because he's betting on the proof not being strong enough.

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By betting his legal team can prove that the Regents KNOWINGLY slandered/libeled him? If the proof of the PH reports made them believe everything they said then #CAB has no case. Unfortunately #TDL is probably going to screw #CAB and I can't wait for this to expose the PH report in all off its heart breaking and nauseating glory.

Every single member of that staff and University should burn for this. Burn it all down.

Womackster said:

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blumpkin said:

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BMX Bandit said:

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This will end very badly for Briles.

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I don't believe that. If there was proof he knew things why would he do this? Career suicide if he comes out looking bad.

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Because he's betting on the proof not being strong enough.

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Exactly. Briles realized his career is over when even the small schools didn't want to take a chance on him. This is a Hail Mary from his own 30.

This really needs to go no further than the investigation of the player that came from Boise State... and whether the conversation between AB and Peterson took place prior to him getting to BU....one of them is lying about the conversation taking place and/or the content of that conversation....AB says there was no conversation

Peculiar stuff

Absolute freaking SCUMBAG Briles is.

This looks like a job for...

My guess would be that his settlement upon his firing contained a clause that he could not sue the university for more. It will probably get tossed out by the judge.

It is just more hits on Baylor. Not sure how they are going to handle all of this. It will be interesting to see how this all turns out in 5 years. I hope they get what they deserve and that the responsible players go to jail.

I still have a big chip on my shoulder from when they tried to sue us for leaving the BDF for the SEC.

Pretty much everything by Julie is going to be slanted in Briles' direction. So, make sure to take all her reporting with a grain of salt. She very much wants him to be found innocent of all of this. A lot of people in Waco still believe fully he has done no wrong.

Womackster said:

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blumpkin said:

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This will end very badly for Briles.

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I don't believe that. If there was proof he knew things why would he do this? Career suicide if he comes out looking bad.

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Because he's betting on the proof not being strong enough.

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Both sides don't want the full truth to come out, Art knows that and is exploiting it. They will settle with him to make this go away...Baylor is trying to move on and he is looking for one last pay day.

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This really needs to go no further than the investigation of the player that came from Boise State... and whether the conversation between AB and Peterson took place prior to him getting to BU....one of them is lying about the conversation taking place and/or the content of that conversation....AB says there was no conversation

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Not sure if this story was ever posted on this board or not, but this is pretty interesting. Especially since it contains interviews with some of the jurors. Worth a read at least.

http://www.heartlandcollegesports.com/hcs-exclusive-sam-ukwuachu-trial-baylor-football-facts-you-dont-know/

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The Briles camp has claimed innocence through ignorance since day one (complete BS). That said, he knows what is in the report and he is banking on the fact that Baylor and the people named in the suit do not want this going public and dragging this out any further than necessary.

If he gets any kind of a settlement, he will claim victory and push the narrative that he was not to blame. If he truly feels he won't be able to coach again, then he has nothing to lose. If they settle, he wins in the court of public opinion (at least in his mind). If they don't, it's not like anyone (other than Baylor fans) will think he is a bigger POS than they already do.

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Only one problem with this theory. There are MANY other BU fans, alums, and donors who also want the details...either because they believe AB is innocent or because they feel the BOR should be forthcoming with all details. AB isn't playing chicken with a train. He's playing chicken with a convoy. I do think he was arrogant to think they player off field "issues" weren't his problem, just like he's arrogant to think that he has a case based on that mindset.

I'd be curious to read the petition, if anyone has a link. I've only worked on one defamation suit, and that was almost 20 years ago, but, I think it's fair to say that the likelihood of Briles obtaining a judgment that is affirmed (never predict what a jury is going to do) is just barely north of zero. He has to prove that the defendants made false statements, and since he's probably a public figure, he has to prove that they were made with malice (knowledge of the falsity, or reckless disregard for the truth, if I recall correctly).

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RockInspector said:

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The Briles camp has claimed innocence through ignorance since day one (complete BS). That said, he knows what is in the report and he is banking on the fact that Baylor and the people named in the suit do not want this going public and dragging this out any further than necessary.

If he gets any kind of a settlement, he will claim victory and push the narrative that he was not to blame. If he truly feels he won't be able to coach again, then he has nothing to lose. If they settle, he wins in the court of public opinion (at least in his mind). If they don't, it's not like anyone (other than Baylor fans) will think he is a bigger POS than they already do.

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Only one problem with this theory. There are MANY other BU fans, alums, and donors who also want the details...either because they believe AB is innocent or because they feel the BOR should be forthcoming with all details. AB isn't playing chicken with a train. He's playing chicken with a convoy. I do think he was arrogant to think they player off field "issues" weren't his problem, just like he's arrogant to think that he has a case based on that mindset.

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He knows he doesn't have a case, he also knows that the BOR (no one cares whats fans and alums want) will settle because they don't want to school to look negligible if the details go public in a trial.

This makes perfect sense, no rocket science here.

Briles has already admitted that he could have done more, he finally took some blame but was careful not to take too much. He had to do this because he wants to coach again. Took him too long to finally do this, but he did it. And he had too. So he has admitted some wrong doing but no specifics...more of the way of I should have been more involved.

Again, Briles wants to coach again so he sues Baylor. I mean, what kind of idiot would do that if he wasn't innocent, right? Wrong. Briles knows full well that Baylor isn't going to let this get all out in the open...too much dirty laundry. And still too many unknowns. So he sues them. He knows this will ultimately settle. For what, it matters not. If Baylor agrees to give Briles anything, no matter how small it might be, it looks like Baylor is in the wrong to Joe Public. And Baylor would be foolish not to just make this go away. They don't want the public seeing the full report or talking about this any more. It has hurt the University enough.

What I can't figure in all this is what dumb a$$ lawyer is working for Baylor...a Baylor law grad. How the heck did you buy out the rest of Briles contract without an agreement that (a) Briles couldn't talk about some of this stuff and (b) Briles couldn't sue the University, etc.?

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This makes perfect sense, no rocket science here.

Briles has already admitted that he could have done more, he finally took some blame but was careful not to take too much. He had to do this because he wants to coach again. Took him too long to finally do this, but he did it. And he had too. So he has admitted some wrong doing but no specifics...more of the way of I should have been more involved.

Again, Briles wants to coach again so he sues Baylor. I mean, what kind of idiot would do that if he wasn't innocent, right? Wrong. Briles knows full well that Baylor isn't going to let this get all out in the open...too much dirty laundry. And still too many unknowns. So he sues them. He knows this will ultimately settle. For what, it matters not. If Baylor agrees to give Briles anything, no matter how small it might be, it looks like Baylor is in the wrong to Joe Public. And Baylor would be foolish not to just make this go away. They don't want the public seeing the full report or talking about this any more. It has hurt the University enough.

What I can't figure in all this is what dumb a$$ lawyer is working for Baylor...a Baylor law grad. How the heck did you buy out the rest of Briles contract without an agreement that (a) Briles couldn't talk about some of this stuff and (b) Briles couldn't sue the University, etc.?

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He didn't sue Baylor. He sued individual Board members and one official at Baylor. They were sued in their individual capacity, not official capacity as representatives of Baylor. Baylor doesn't have to pay a thing unless they want to on behalf of their Board members.

Frankly, Ramsower has mostly sounded like a royal a-hole who should have been fired long ago. (If the recently terminated Title IX Coordinator isn't lying.)

Most cases settle, but not all. Again, I'd like to see what Briles actually alleges, because what I've seen reported in the media isn't going to cut it. If he can't allege a straight up false, defamatory statement, made with malice, and I'm representing the defendants, I'm going to specially except and force him to either plead a viable claim, or move for summary judgment if he doesn't (or perhaps for dismissal under 91a--I haven't had occasion to do one of those since they added that rule).

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merch said:

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This makes perfect sense, no rocket science here.

Briles has already admitted that he could have done more, he finally took some blame but was careful not to take too much. He had to do this because he wants to coach again. Took him too long to finally do this, but he did it. And he had too. So he has admitted some wrong doing but no specifics...more of the way of I should have been more involved.

Again, Briles wants to coach again so he sues Baylor. I mean, what kind of idiot would do that if he wasn't innocent, right? Wrong. Briles knows full well that Baylor isn't going to let this get all out in the open...too much dirty laundry. And still too many unknowns. So he sues them. He knows this will ultimately settle. For what, it matters not. If Baylor agrees to give Briles anything, no matter how small it might be, it looks like Baylor is in the wrong to Joe Public. And Baylor would be foolish not to just make this go away. They don't want the public seeing the full report or talking about this any more. It has hurt the University enough.

What I can't figure in all this is what dumb a$$ lawyer is working for Baylor...a Baylor law grad. How the heck did you buy out the rest of Briles contract without an agreement that (a) Briles couldn't talk about some of this stuff and (b) Briles couldn't sue the University, etc.?

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He didn't sue Baylor. He sued individual Board members and one official at Baylor. They were sued in their individual capacity, not official capacity as representatives of Baylor. Baylor doesn't have to pay a thing unless they want to on behalf of their Board members.

Frankly, Ramsower has mostly sounded like a royal a-hole who should have been fired long ago. (If the recently terminated Title IX Coordinator isn't lying.)

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A - A settlement could (and should) include not only inability to sue the university for damages, but also any of its representatives, employees, board members, vendors, etc.
B - And this ties into A, high ranking employees, board members, etc. are generally represented, by contract, directly by university paid firms or compensated for legal defense if sued as a result of their official capacity.

So, either the original settlement was associated with his employment contract only and did not consider the ramifications of another suit outside the employment agreement (kinda dumb if you ask me), or AB's attorneys either know or assume they can get to the individual board members, employees, etc.

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That suit reads like a mafia-style "we agreed to not speak of this again" issue. As if Briles expected that once he agreed to his settlement, that everyone would shut up, and nobody would ever think of it again.

Hell, we get in trouble if we don't fully report, investigate, and offer medical treatment if someone gets a scrape at work, even when that person says that the injury is nothing, and they don't want to report it. I can't imagine (even having zero police or legal responsibility) letting reports of multiple rapes and gang rapes go and thinking, "Oh well, hopefully somebody else will listen to that girl and help her."

Yea, that is why I said University, etc. All potential parties should have been addressed.

Poor Baylor. Can't even get the buy-out (which you know they didn't want to pay) to Briles right. Before I would turn over millions of dollars in a case like this, I'm making sure everybody that touched this thing, down to the janitor, are free from any lawsuit Briles may bring...with respect to any action or inaction they might have been involved in...heck, if they even once thought a bad thing against Briles or talked in their sleep and said something mean, or looked at Briles with a stink eye, they would be released!

Still, smart move from scum bag Briles.

If Briles wanted another coaching job what he should have done back in May is resign and issue a statement that the Baylor administration had lost faith in his superiors (AD and Starr) and by extension in himself and he was stepping down in the best interest of Baylor University and for his team going forward.

The situation would still have been murky and prospective employers would have still asked about the scandal, but Briles could just point to the Title IX office as not being in compliance and that it was the Baylor administration's failure, he trusted his superiors to dutifully perform their jobs and then make a joke about ensuring that his future coaching stops had adequate Title IX procedures in place, lesson learned, yada, yada.

If he had an ounce of integrity, he would have negotiated his departure once he knew the BOR wasn't inclined to retain him. Ask that no announcement be made in the interim until a resolution had been reached.

As far as I can tell, the suit is based on post-settlement conduct. I'm sure the settlement included the standard release of all existing claims, known or unknown, held by the respective parties at the time the settlement was executed.

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Pretty much everything by Julie is going to be slanted in Briles' direction. So, make sure to take all her reporting with a grain of salt. She very much wants him to be found innocent of all of this. A lot of people in Waco still believe fully he has done no wrong.

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THIS.

Almost every Baylor student/alumni truly think Briles did nothing wrong and want him back. You saw that when they freaking protested the TCU game.

Briles has the majority of the city on his side, just because they won a lot.

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Pretty much everything by Julie is going to be slanted in Briles' direction. So, make sure to take all her reporting with a grain of salt. She very much wants him to be found innocent of all of this. A lot of people in Waco still believe fully he has done no wrong.

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THIS.

Almost every Baylor student/alumni truly think Briles did nothing wrong and want him back. You saw that when they freaking protested the TCU game.

Briles has the majority of the city on his side, just because they won a lot.

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Do you think A&M alumni wouldn't be the same way?

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As far as I can tell, the suit is based on post-settlement conduct. I'm sure the settlement included the standard release of all existing claims, known or unknown, held by the respective parties at the time the settlement was executed.

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Yes. That's what I have been able to glean as well. Briles is angry with the PR firm they hired, Bunting. He snarkily points out it is based in California, not Texas, and he accuses them of orchestrating deceptive media reports.

I laughed when I read this:

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For example, Briles charges that Bunting is known for "manipulating the news media by providing information at inconvenient times, such as late on Friday afternoons, where there is inadequate time for any response and when it is not possible for the media to verify the information before publishing it." Briles also notes that this "devious ... strategic communication" late in the day on Friday provided "talking points and ticker information for Saturday, which is the biggest day of the week for college football."

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LINK

(Note: The link isn't the complaint. Just an article about it, from a lawyer working for SI.)

Found the complaint. You can access it from Here.

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Pretty much everything by Julie is going to be slanted in Briles' direction. So, make sure to take all her reporting with a grain of salt. She very much wants him to be found innocent of all of this. A lot of people in Waco still believe fully he has done no wrong.

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THIS.

Almost every Baylor student/alumni truly think Briles did nothing wrong and want him back. You saw that when they freaking protested the TCU game.

Briles has the majority of the city on his side, just because they won a lot.

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That won't help him in Llano County.

Multiple victims already said they spoke to briles and he did nothing.

He may be banking on these guys and Baylor not burning down the house just to get rid of a rat. They may not want everything to come out so they settle for more money. Risky move if so.

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ClassOf17 said:

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Pretty much everything by Julie is going to be slanted in Briles' direction. So, make sure to take all her reporting with a grain of salt. She very much wants him to be found innocent of all of this. A lot of people in Waco still believe fully he has done no wrong.

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THIS.

Almost every Baylor student/alumni truly think Briles did nothing wrong and want him back. You saw that when they freaking protested the TCU game.

Briles has the majority of the city on his side, just because they won a lot.

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Do you think A&M alumni wouldn't be the same way?

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Uhh, DUH