How many of them coach in the sec west?
Bottlehead90 said:
How many of them coach in the sec west?
Lateralus Ag said:
If you include B1G, ACC, Pac 12, SEC and ND there are 14 coaches that have a better career winning percentage than Sumlin.
So, pick one of them. Throw out ND. So there are 13.
Pick one.
bigblackag12 said:
Who, lateralus, realistically, do you expect us to go after and get? As in who is gonna leave their job out of those select 14 coaches that are doing pretty well at their places?
Can you bring up the coaches names and career records? Would you want the 14th best record? Would you settle for 13th? And they give us better chances at a natty?
I find it very interesting that you wait until we lose to a very dominant bama team that has beat everyone else so far to say that sumlin is chopped liver. I'd say he has weathered a lot of storms pretty well. He has transformed this team. Look at the roster he was left with. It looks pretty different now. Hes one of like 4 active coaches to have even beaten bama.
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14th on that list is Malzahn. 13th is Freeze. Both of them make a **** ton less than Sumlin and have outrecruited Sumlin and have better records than Sumlin with less.
phatbeast said:Quote:
14th on that list is Malzahn. 13th is Freeze. Both of them make a **** ton less than Sumlin and have outrecruited Sumlin and have better records than Sumlin with less.
Sumlin makes $5M and has a HC record of 42-17
Freeze makes $5.14M and has a HC record of 37-22
Malzahn makes $5.4M and has a HC record of 32-15
Sorry, Lat. 0-4.
Lateralus Ag said:phatbeast said:Quote:
14th on that list is Malzahn. 13th is Freeze. Both of them make a **** ton less than Sumlin and have outrecruited Sumlin and have better records than Sumlin with less.
Sumlin makes $5M and has a HC record of 42-17
Freeze makes $5.14M and has a HC record of 37-22
Malzahn makes $5.4M and has a HC record of 32-15
Sorry, Lat. 0-4.
I provided a link with my numbers. Where is your link?
oh, i forgot. You Sumlin guys dont use actual numbers with sources. You just make stuff up.
Link or stfu.
phatbeast said:Quote:
14th on that list is Malzahn. 13th is Freeze. Both of them make a **** ton less than Sumlin and have outrecruited Sumlin and have better records than Sumlin with less.
Sumlin makes $5M and has a HC record of 42-17
Freeze makes $5.14M and has a HC record of 37-22
Malzahn makes $5.4M and has a HC record of 32-15
Sorry, Lat. 0-4.
Edit: I got those salary numbers from Wikipedia. Though when I've tried to corroborate them, I can't find it. other sources put Freeze at 4.5 and Malzahn at 4.75. So if that's true, they do make less, though I still wouldn't call it a **** ton less.
Diet Cokehead said:
Lat would be a good candidate for President with the amount of dishonest BS he spews.
Lateralus Ag said:
there are 23 active coaches that have a better winning percentage than Sumlin.
pick one.
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I have said it all along. If you are happy with 8-5, 7-6 type seasons most years with a 9 or 10 win season every 6-7 years, great, keep paying Sumlin top two money for bottom half of the division results.
Squadron7 said:Quote:
I have said it all along. If you are happy with 8-5, 7-6 type seasons most years with a 9 or 10 win season every 6-7 years, great, keep paying Sumlin top two money for bottom half of the division results.
So have you told the Foundation you're cutting them off and they need to find another sugar daddy? Because this sounds like you have a whole lot of your own money in this deal.
cevans_40 said:
Yet to hear an answer. This is exactly why I despise the potbangers. Just answer the damn question.
phatbeast said:Quote:
14th on that list is Malzahn. 13th is Freeze. Both of them make a **** ton less than Sumlin and have outrecruited Sumlin and have better records than Sumlin with less.
Sumlin makes $5M and has a HC record of 42-17
Freeze makes $5.14M and has a HC record of 37-22
Malzahn makes $5.4M and has a HC record of 32-15
Sorry, Lat. 0-4.
Edit: I got those salary numbers from Wikipedia. Though when I've tried to corroborate them, I can't find it. other sources put Freeze at 4.5 and Malzahn at 4.75. So if that's true, they do make less, though I still wouldn't call it a **** ton less.
bigblackag12 said:Diet Cokehead said:
Lat would be a good candidate for President with the amount of dishonest BS he spews.
This dude...this dude brought up hugh freeze, hugh freeze, as a cocahing switch candidate. Citing that he has an overall record 2 spots better than sumlin (forget sec west record where sumlin is better, to keep it fair lets use overall) and that he has recruited better.
Hugh free$$ze recruiting better than us, while being investigated by the NCAA for improper benefits, is a valid point for lat. He would prefer hugh and his cheatin ass over sumlin because he has an overall conference record two spots better and makes a lil less.
Its actually pretty interesting to watch it unfold.
ABATTBQ11 said:cevans_40 said:
Yet to hear an answer. This is exactly why I despise the potbangers. Just answer the damn question.
There not a name that comes to mind unless we can convince Pete Carroll to come back to the college game or money whip Urban Meyer. That said, I see Sumlin being a Mack Brownesque coach in a better league. Lots of wins and a couple of lucky seasons, but not a lot of hardware and dominated by another coach in his division for most of his tenure. There's too much reliance on talent and recruiting and too little on development. I mean, really, what junior or senior player not on defense has become just outstanding and gotten significantly better over the last 2-3 years? Chief and Turner was a good start, but 2 coaches does not a good staff make.
I don't think Sumlin's ever going to take us to the next level. Even when saban is gone. We will still lose 2-3 games per year because it's key mistakes in big games. He could have 9-10 win seasons for the next 8 years while losing to bama, lsu, and ole miss every year and people like you would be happy because, "9-10 seasons are great and we shouldn't expect more than that in this league!" And that's how you become a perennial also ran like msu.
phatbeast said:bigblackag12 said:Diet Cokehead said:
Lat would be a good candidate for President with the amount of dishonest BS he spews.
This dude...this dude brought up hugh freeze, hugh freeze, as a cocahing switch candidate. Citing that he has an overall record 2 spots better than sumlin (forget sec west record where sumlin is better, to keep it fair lets use overall) and that he has recruited better.
Hugh free$$ze recruiting better than us, while being investigated by the NCAA for improper benefits, is a valid point for lat. He would prefer hugh and his cheatin ass over sumlin because he has an overall conference record two spots better and makes a lil less.
Its actually pretty interesting to watch it unfold.
And Freeze's team may not even end up being bowl eligible this year.
I'm sorry to say, but you're removed from reality. The talent gap between Bama and A&M is still pretty damn big. They have had 6 straight #1 recruiting classes the last 6 years. The last 6 years for us we have probably averaged around #12. When discussing games, and comparing coaches and programs, you HAVE to discuss talent, because that is the absolute fundamental lifeblood of college football, which is an enormous reason why Bama has been and is so successful.ElPasoAg01 said:
Only real complaint about Sumlin is that our teams aren't particularly physical. Talent aside, because I don't think that Alabama is that much more talented, what stood out was how much more physical Alabama was than us. They whooped our asses man for man and we looked like we were not too interested in hitting back.
This. With the demise of the 'sips and the BDF, and our success so far that will hopefully extend through the rest of the season, our recruiting should get better and better. We are not a NC team yet but we are a lot closer than we have ever been. Sumlin has not made perfect decisions but he seems to be getting better at it.Pam Poovey said:
Can't beat Bama without the blue chip athletes. Can't get the athletes bc they get swindled by Chuck or bought by other programs willing to flat out cheat (more than we are).
Not Sumlin's fault. This is as good as it gets. Sucks, but we have all the facilities and staff pieces. Bama's talent just can't be beaten. Sorry guys.
Blue parachute for you.Lateralus Ag said:bigblackag12 said:
Who, lateralus, realistically, do you expect us to go after and get? As in who is gonna leave their job out of those select 14 coaches that are doing pretty well at their places?
Can you bring up the coaches names and career records? Would you want the 14th best record? Would you settle for 13th? And they give us better chances at a natty?
I find it very interesting that you wait until we lose to a very dominant bama team that has beat everyone else so far to say that sumlin is chopped liver. I'd say he has weathered a lot of storms pretty well. He has transformed this team. Look at the roster he was left with. It looks pretty different now. Hes one of like 4 active coaches to have even beaten bama.
Based on what they are making where they are, yea, i think most of them would talk to us and at least three or four would be very interested.
The roster he was left with is a sad excuse in year five.
So he beat Bama with JFF, KK, Evans, and Sherms oline studs. Great. Good for him. Left to his own receuiting and devices he has led us to a qb cluster, 8-5, 8-5 and whatever happens this year, which very well could be 3-4 losses including a bowl game. I would point out that last time we played bama close we lost four games that year. We did not play Bama close (19 points is not close, so spare me that nonsense). chances are we lose 3 or 4 this season.
I have said i wasnt a fan of Sumlin since he was hired. I am simply pointing out facts and numbers that back up my opinion. Thats what you do in these types of discussions.
Here is the link. Do your own homework. I already did mine.
http://www.coacheshotseat.com/WinningestActiveCoachesIA.htm
14th on that list is Malzahn. 13th is Freeze. Both of them make a **** ton less than Sumlin and have outrecruited Sumlin and have better records than Sumlin with less.
Sumlin is paid on par with 3 other coaches that have won a national title and a conference champion. He is paid MORE than two coaches, in our conference, both of which have beat bama more than Sumlin and finished higher in the SEC West.
I am not saying Sumlin isnt average or slightly above. I am saying he isnt worth what he is paid, and those of you that think he is on par with the best coaches in the SEC or the rest of the field simply don't have the facts to back that up.
I have said it all along. If you are happy with 8-5, 7-6 type seasons most years with a 9 or 10 win season every 6-7 years, great, keep paying Sumlin top two money for bottom half of the division results.
Good for you.
Next question.
freeze is 37-22 at Ole Miss. Are you really ****ing including his record as the Head Coach at LAMBUTH and ARKANSAS STATE??? Is that really what you are going to to 'prove' Freeze is a better value than Sumlin?Lateralus Ag said:bigblackag12 said:
Who, lateralus, realistically, do you expect us to go after and get? As in who is gonna leave their job out of those select 14 coaches that are doing pretty well at their places?
Can you bring up the coaches names and career records? Would you want the 14th best record? Would you settle for 13th? And they give us better chances at a natty?
I find it very interesting that you wait until we lose to a very dominant bama team that has beat everyone else so far to say that sumlin is chopped liver. I'd say he has weathered a lot of storms pretty well. He has transformed this team. Look at the roster he was left with. It looks pretty different now. Hes one of like 4 active coaches to have even beaten bama.
Based on what they are making where they are, yea, i think most of them would talk to us and at least three or four would be very interested.
The roster he was left with is a sad excuse in year five.
So he beat Bama with JFF, KK, Evans, and Sherms oline studs. Great. Good for him. Left to his own receuiting and devices he has led us to a qb cluster, 8-5, 8-5 and whatever happens this year, which very well could be 3-4 losses including a bowl game. I would point out that last time we played bama close we lost four games that year. We did not play Bama close (19 points is not close, so spare me that nonsense). chances are we lose 3 or 4 this season.
I have said i wasnt a fan of Sumlin since he was hired. I am simply pointing out facts and numbers that back up my opinion. Thats what you do in these types of discussions.
Here is the link. Do your own homework. I already did mine.
http://www.coacheshotseat.com/WinningestActiveCoachesIA.htm
14th on that list is Malzahn. 13th is Freeze. Both of them make a **** ton less than Sumlin and have outrecruited Sumlin and have better records than Sumlin with less.
Sumlin is paid on par with 3 other coaches that have won a national title and a conference champion. He is paid MORE than two coaches, in our conference, both of which have beat bama more than Sumlin and finished higher in the SEC West.
I am not saying Sumlin isnt average or slightly above. I am saying he isnt worth what he is paid, and those of you that think he is on par with the best coaches in the SEC or the rest of the field simply don't have the facts to back that up.
I have said it all along. If you are happy with 8-5, 7-6 type seasons most years with a 9 or 10 win season every 6-7 years, great, keep paying Sumlin top two money for bottom half of the division results.
Good for you.
Next question.
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Every great coach was an unknown at one point or another. The Athletic Director and his staff get paid big bucks to evaluate who can become great.