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Fortunately, the trans issue is nothing but Pop culture. People should treat it as such. Like everything else that is pop culture, it eventually dies for awhile. Remember that only 3.2% of Americans identify as being gay and an even smaller number identify as something other than what they were born as. Only a small percentage of that 3.2% are activists. So, we are catering to this very vocal, but very minor part of society. The issue is the attention that pop culture has put on it because of pop culture media pushing their own agendas.

I find it hilarious that if a man walked into a grocery store and began hanging his arm, running around the store, claiming to be an elephant, drinking water and spraying it at people, he would probably be arrested and admitted into a mental hospital. But a man who claims to be a woman, which they clearly are not, dresses up in high heels, obviously strains to make his voice higher, wearing a dress, gets to impose their "rights" on everyone else.

I don't post that to be homophobic. I post it to illustrate the illogical actions of our society.

On a side note, with the bathroom issue of trans, where we pee or poop has very little to do with our own comfort. It has everything to do with the comfort of others. Otherwise, I'd be peeing outside all the time, because nothing is more comfortable that walking into my backyard early in the morning, letting my dog out, and taking a pee right there, feeling the cool morning air on my boys. Should I have the right to do that in view of others? How about the potted plant outside the bathroom, I feel more comfortable going in it.

Relevant because gender of birth is the only thing that should matter in college athletics.

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Here's the Mission College women's basketball team... looks like they have a head start on your idea



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only in California, they land of fruits and nuts

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This tells me I only have a year to get in shape!!! Man, I am 6'6" like this 52 year old individual. Am I really that much taller than the average basketball playing girl?

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I have a bad feeling that someone's going to start testing the transgender boundaries when it come to athletics.

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This one is really sad

Another fun point about how schools themselves can take advantage of this if it becomes law: what if half of our football team "identifies" as female? Now half our football team balances out the other half and we can drop things like equestrian, soccer, softball or whatever random sport that loses money and we no longer feel like paying for. Obviously getting half the team to go along with it would be difficult, but it's technically a possibility

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Here's the Mission College women's basketball team... looks like they have a head start on your idea



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only in California, they land of fruits and nuts

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This tells me I only have a year to get in shape!!! Man, I am 6'6" like this 52 year old individual. Am I really that much taller than the average basketball playing girl?

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I'm having transpecies surgery tomorrow because I self identify as a dolphin. Your elephant remarks are caulous and hurtful and are part of the society I have come to hate.
/sad dolphin noise

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I have a bad feeling that someone's going to start testing the transgender boundaries when it come to athletics.

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We're already there...

http://www.nydailynews.com/entertainment/tv/trans-swimmer-schuyler-bailar-made-choice-article-1.2593245

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Ag4Coal, that's not the argument being made by the "other side", stop spitting off that drivel that people are trying to make gender irrelevant in athletics.

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That's the point of everything I've said so far. It's not the argument being made YET!! But it is the only logical conclusion. If I said, right now, that I identify as a female, what right does anyone have to keep me from playing sports with females? And if anyone wants to come in with genetics, they can't!! Because our culture is currently fighting that battle in the bathrooms of America and I'm betting the left side wins. If not right now, in a few years. So once that "right" is established to be a gender regardless of your genetics, what can anyone say about me not playing sports, using the same locker room and showering with females? There will be no argument against it. That's my whole point.

And before you say that will never happen, not even 10 years ago gay marriage wasn't even legal in CALIFORNIA!! Look at what we're dealing with now. It's bound to happen. And women will be the ones dealing with the unintended consequences more than anyone else. ts not the logical conclusion. The logical conclusion of a campaign to respect gender choices while maintaining fairness women (and men)

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(First, the comparison to gay marriage is a poor comparison. The goal there was singular without the nuance of this discussion about transgenders in athletics---it was allow gay marriage. And what exactly are we dealing with today that I'm supposed to look at? Is your mailbox just too full of wedding invitations?)


That is not the logical conclusion for the current movement and argument that I'm pretty sure is being made. There is much more nuance to this than say, in the gay marriage movement.

I read the Obama guidance twice yesterday, for whoever told me I'm an ignorant fool that needed to read it. I read the athletics portion again today.

Lo and behold, what does it say? Exactly what I was explaining. The same people that want transgenders to be able to use the bathroom of their choice also care about biological women, and are aware of, and appreciate, the fairness, competitive, and safety concerns.

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Title IX regulations permit a school to operate or sponsor sex-segregated athletics teams when selection for such teams is based upon competitive skill or when the activity involved is a contact sport...

...Title IX does not prohibit age-appropriate, tailored requirements based on sound, current, and research-based medical knowledge about the impact of the students' participation on the competitive fairness or physical safety of the sport.

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Given the Obama administration mandate of yesterday evening (including the mention of Title 9) the OP deserves credit for his timely post.

Some of the other fears listed above (Ag4coal) appear to be much closer to reality than I had hoped.

2011ag - you can dismiss and deflect all you want but read the release from yesterday. It's here and it's real.

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There it is.

I read it, quoted the relevant portion above.


Did you read it?

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Thanks for posting this, that's some pretty hilarious stupidity right there!

I think that this is being done to tear down civil society so that anarchy reigns. That is, after all, the left's ultimate end game. Create anarchy and rule by fiat. This has nothing to do with identity or acceptance just like the gay marriage debate was not about acceptance. The left's primary weapon is anarchy; just look at who violently protests.

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Ag4Coal, that's not the argument being made by the "other side", stop spitting off that drivel that people are trying to make gender irrelevant in athletics.

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That's the point of everything I've said so far. It's not the argument being made YET!! But it is the only logical conclusion. If I said, right now, that I identify as a female, what right does anyone have to keep me from playing sports with females? And if anyone wants to come in with genetics, they can't!! Because our culture is currently fighting that battle in the bathrooms of America and I'm betting the left side wins. If not right now, in a few years. So once that "right" is established to be a gender regardless of your genetics, what can anyone say about me not playing sports, using the same locker room and showering with females? There will be no argument against it. That's my whole point.

And before you say that will never happen, not even 10 years ago gay marriage wasn't even legal in CALIFORNIA!! Look at what we're dealing with now. It's bound to happen. And women will be the ones dealing with the unintended consequences more than anyone else. ts not the logical conclusion. The logical conclusion of a campaign to respect gender choices while maintaining fairness women (and men)

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(First, the comparison to gay marriage is a poor comparison. The goal there was singular without the nuance of this discussion about transgenders in athletics---it was allow gay marriage. And what exactly are we dealing with today that I'm supposed to look at? Is your mailbox just too full of wedding invitations?)


That is not the logical conclusion for the current movement and argument that I'm pretty sure is being made. There is much more nuance to this than say, in the gay marriage movement.

I read the Obama guidance twice yesterday, for whoever told me I'm an ignorant fool that needed to read it. I read the athletics portion again today.

Lo and behold, what does it say? Exactly what I was explaining. The same people that want transgenders to be able to use the bathroom of their choice also care about biological women, and are aware of, and appreciate, the fairness, competitive, and safety concerns.

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Title IX regulations permit a school to operate or sponsor sex-segregated athletics teams when selection for such teams is based upon competitive skill or when the activity involved is a contact sport...

...Title IX does not prohibit age-appropriate, tailored requirements based on sound, current, and research-based medical knowledge about the impact of the students' participation on the competitive fairness or physical safety of the sport.

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I like how you left out the middle line there. Phenomenal censorship bud:

"A school may not, however, adopt or adhere to requirements that rely on overly broad generalizations or stereotypes about the differences between transgender students and other students of the same sex (i.e., the same gender identity) or others' discomfort with transgender students."

Youre trying to get me and several others to believe there is no way this will happen while the very paragraph you quote uses ambiguous language like this for the purpose of leaving the door open to the very same changes you claim won't happen.

It blows my mind that you act like we live in a static world at a time when these things are changing faster than we blink. I'm not saying this is someone's "agenda" (yet). I'm saying that it absolutely will lead to these blurred lines. It's insane that you would suggest otherwise when you look at the past 10 years.
Seriously. You would have to be willingly blind to suggest anything different. If I asked you 10 years ago "do you think transgenders will be legally using any restroom they want?" When you were a soph/Jr in high school. What do you honestly think you would have said? That's why it's hilarious that you think it will stop here.

I believe it will be treated the same way the military is handling it.

Whatever the person's state drivers license has (male or female) will be the determining factor.

Seriously. Who the **** cares who they **** next to? And what's stopping all of these closet perverts from pooping in a women's bathroom now? And for all of you so-called conservatives, you want the government in our bathrooms? How will we police who goes in which one? Armed police officers?

This is really ****ing ridiculous. If you people want to live in a country with true "gender roles," move to Saudi Arabia.

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Seriously. Who the **** cares who they **** next to? And what's stopping all of these closet perverts from pooping in a women's bathroom now? And for all of you so-called conservatives, you want the government in our bathrooms? How will we police who goes in which one? Armed police officers?

This is really ****ing ridiculous. If you people want to live in a country with true "gender roles," move to Saudi Arabia.

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Well, for one thing, this now provides for a "legal backstop" to any X-gender who is denied access to the bathroom of his choice. So, conflicts should they arise, will now get tied up in legal proceedings. So, if you walk into the women's bathroom and grab a she/he (or a straight pervert male) by the collar and throw him out into the hallway because he followed your daughter in there, you now risk being sued.

Sure, it's probably not been a problem in the past, but that's precisely why these decisions are so ridiculous and pointless. It uncovers the true purpose, which is to FORCE ACCEPTANCE of these lifestyle choices. This is a PR move by Obama and these activists. It has zero root in reality, i.e. "the solution in search of a problem".

Now, the fires are stoked even more and our country more divided on something so frivolous. This is the modus operandi of the Obama regime.

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Seriously. Who the **** cares who they **** next to? And what's stopping all of these closet perverts from pooping in a women's bathroom now? And for all of you so-called conservatives, you want the government in our bathrooms? How will we police who goes in which one? Armed police officers?

This is really ****ing ridiculous. If you people want to live in a country with true "gender roles," move to Saudi Arabia.

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Well, for one thing, this now provides for a "legal backstop" to any X-gender who is denied access to the bathroom of his choice. So, conflicts should they arise, will now get tied up in legal proceedings. So, if you walk into the women's bathroom and grab a she/he (or a straight pervert male) by the collar and throw him out into the hallway because he followed your daughter in there, you now risk being sued.

Sure, it's probably not been a problem in the past, but that's precisely why these decisions are so ridiculous and pointless. It uncovers the true purpose, which is to FORCE ACCEPTANCE of these lifestyle choices. This is a PR move by Obama and these activists. It has zero root in reality, i.e. "the solution in search of a problem".

Now, the fires are stoked even more and our country more divided on something so frivolous. This is the modus operandi of the Obama regime.

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Good.

Over the last few years society decided that the definition of marriage is infinitely elastic...now we're doing the same with gender...(Any word having an infinitely elastic definition has no definition at all)...it's only a matter of time before we have cynical polygamous unions and people cynically using gender to achieve personal gain. (In the case of gender, it's not hard to imagine unhealthy, transgressive outcomes that produce innocent victims)

what happens when a man like myself can decide to change gender (ie change my self identity simply via personal decree) just to get an advantage in a government contract or obtain a scholarship for women, etc, etc?

This will probably all stop as soon as the gender grievance industry feels threatened. (Still years away, but definitely headed in that direction)...the action groups who oversee gender justice programs and the politicians who pander to gender obsessed voters on the left can be expected to do something about it out of self preservation

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(First, the comparison to gay marriage is a poor comparison. The goal there was singular without the nuance of this discussion about transgenders in athletics---it was allow gay marriage. And what exactly are we dealing with today that I'm supposed to look at? Is your mailbox just too full of wedding invitations?)


That is not the logical conclusion for the current movement and argument that I'm pretty sure is being made. There is much more nuance to this than say, in the gay marriage movement.

I read the Obama guidance twice yesterday, for whoever told me I'm an ignorant fool that needed to read it. I read the athletics portion again today.

Lo and behold, what does it say? Exactly what I was explaining. The same people that want transgenders to be able to use the bathroom of their choice also care about biological women, and are aware of, and appreciate, the fairness, competitive, and safety concerns.

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Title IX regulations permit a school to operate or sponsor sex-segregated athletics teams when selection for such teams is based upon competitive skill or when the activity involved is a contact sport...

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I like how you left out the middle line there. Phenomenal censorship bud:

"A school may not, however, adopt or adhere to requirements that rely on overly broad generalizations or stereotypes about the differences between transgender students and other students of the same sex (i.e., the same gender identity) or others' discomfort with transgender students."

Youre trying to get me and several others to believe there is no way this will happen while the very paragraph you quote uses ambiguous language like this for the purpose of leaving the door open to the very same changes you claim won't happen.

It blows my mind that you act like we live in a static world at a time when these things are changing faster than we blink. I'm not saying this is someone's "agenda" (yet). I'm saying that it absolutely will lead to these blurred lines. It's insane that you would suggest otherwise when you look at the past 10 years.
Seriously. You would have to be willingly blind to suggest anything different. If I asked you 10 years ago "do you think transgenders will be legally using any restroom they want?" When you were a soph/Jr in high school. What do you honestly think you would have said? That's why it's hilarious that you think it will stop here.

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Of course they have mushy language about how your rules can't be based on stereotypes. No censorship on my end---I'm posting the specific, technical language that no one seems to want to acknowledge exists.

You want to claim my head is in the sand, but you're the kid with his fingers in his ears yelling "lalalalala."

The argument is not tearing down the concept of gender at all costs. Its not. Its tear down barriers where they don't see the harm of tearing down that barrier.

You may disagree on the harm of tearing down the bathroom barrier, and that's fine, I'm not trying to change you view about bathrooms and I have my own concerns, too, but its blatantly ignorant to accuse "the other side" of ignoring the harms of tearing down the barrier in athletics.

They're well aware of those concerns. And its right there in that language I quoted. You can't deny that. I can post similar language from the Olympics, from all sorts of government and sporting organizations.

In fact, I would say the Obama administration probably thinks its rich that conservatives are accusing of them of not caring about women's safety.



As for gay marriage, it was never "we want marriage in this case, but not that case..." They didn't think there were any risks in allowing gay marriage apart from pissing off a bunch of Baptists down South. (And I say that even though I still can be known to attend a Baptist service every now and then )

Its a poor comparison. It was a different issue with a different dynamic.

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The responses would be completely different without the camera and mic.

These wimps are acting like they are accepting of peoples differences regardless. At the same time, they are worried that others will not be accepting of their real opinions.