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Allen was thrown under the bus by his head coach, who had no relationship with him, therefore; he couldn't trust the Head Coach.

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Allen was telling the coach and everyone that he was fine. So there's that.

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I don't know how Kohl Stewarts baseball career is progressing...any chance he pulls a "he who should not be named because he is the father of a snivelling little brat" and returns to college football? he has never enrolled anywhere as far as i know so still would have 4 years eligibility.

Would be nice to have a more senior type guy even if it was baseball, i am sure it has matured him more than these 18 year old punks.

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http://www.baseball-reference.com/register/player.cgi?id=stewar000koh

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Kohl Stewart, a 21-yr-old right handed pitcher, turned down a football and baseball scholarship at Texas A&M after being drafted 4th overall by the Minnesota Twins in the 2013 First-Year Player Draft following a tremendous season at St. Pius X High School in Houston, Texas, in which he posted a 5-1 record with an 0.18 ERA and clubbed 10 home runs, earning honors to the 2013 Gatorade Texas High School Player of the Year award.


Kohl Stewart delivers a pitch during a game with the Elizabethton Twins in 2013 | Image courtesy of startribune.com

Drafted for his potential, Stewart was raw and definitely a project going forward. Though he has good stuff with a 60 fastball, plus slider, and additional curve and changeup which show potential of being Major League average, his strikeout numbers have been a topic of continued concern over the past few years, especially given the quality of his pitches.

In his defense, he has had an injury riddled pro career, struggling with a shoulder injury which landed him on the disabled list in each of his first two years and spending another three weeks on the DL early in the 2015 season due to right elbow inflammation. However, although he remained healthy the rest of last season, his ability to miss bats showed little to no sign of improvement.

With 24 strikeouts in 20 innings pitched in Kohl's first year of affiliated baseball, his strikeouts per nine stood at 10.8 at the end of the year after pitching in the Appalachian and Gulf Coast Leagues. That number was to drop to 6.4 the following year in Cedar Rapids (meanwhile, his previous BB9 of 1.8 rose to 2.5), but he maintained a 2.59 ERA and earned a promotion to Fort Myers. The following year his SO9 dropped to a glaring 4.9, and once again his BB9 rose, this time to 3.1. Despite this, restricting his opponents to softly hit groundballs led to a decent ERA of 3.20. In his career playing professional baseball, he has consistently allowed little hard contact and draws more than two groundouts for every fly out, and in his 253.2 innings in the minors, he has allowed only 7 home runs.

This year, Kohl is already showing improvement in the strikeout department after just three games at Fort Myers. It's a small sample size, but it could be the beginning of a breakout year for the young pitcher. In his first game of the season, he went 6 innings, walking 1 and striking out 7. During his next start, he went another 6 innings and struck out 6. On the 20th, he went 5.1 innings before things began to fall apart in the 6th, resulting in 3 earned runs, but he picked up 8 strikeouts. That equates to a slash line of a 1-0 record, 2.60 ERA, 21 strikeouts, and only 3 walks in 17.1 innings pitched.

Kohl is still young and doesn't need to be added to the 40-man roster until after the 2017 season and then has three additional option years, so the Twins can allow him plenty of time to develop at his own pace. He ended 2015 going deeper into games than he had at any other point since being drafted, and if he can stay healthy this year and control his pitches for more strikeouts, we can look forward to seeing him in Chattanooga by the end of the season. Most of all, it's important to remember that he's still a 21-yr-old in High A who has already suffered drawbacks to his career in the form of injuries. No need to panic - yet.

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I got the sense that Sumlin was never up front with Allen and that Allen did not trust nor like him.
Do not blame him a bit for leaving the way he was mishandled.

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I got the sense that Sumlin was never up front with Allen and that Allen did not trust nor like him.
Do not blame him a bit for leaving the way he was mishandled.

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I get the sense you don't have a clue.

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I got the sense that Sumlin was never up front with Allen and that Allen did not trust nor like him.
Do not blame him a bit for leaving the way he was mishandled.

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Amen, Sumlin did nothing to build a relationship with his starting QB when it was clear he needed to fire his OC, that is on Sumlin.

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Too many here love to play the victim. I agree Joeckel and Showers are irrelevant since neither could even be here at this point. As for the rest, it doesn't matter why they left. If just one had stayed, there would be no story. Although it would have been next to impossible to keep them all, we could still have Matt Davis and/or Kenny Hill as RS SRs, or Stewart as a RS JR, or Allen as a RS SO, or Murray as a RS FR, with Martell next in the pipeline. The story is that somehow we have ZERO of those guys in the fold, and instead are relying on a grad transfer at the position. It's mind blowing, and definitely worthy of a segment on ESPN.

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Joekel and Showers wanted to play - no backup QB gets a shot at an invite to the Combine, but QB's that play for even teams like TCU and UTEP certainly do. Acting like their transfer is an indictment on the program is nothing more than talking heads wanting to sensationalize things.

Davis was never going to see the field as a QB. He probably never would have made it past 4th string as a QB. He transferred...and has done jack and squat at SMU and has looked absolutely terrible doing that jack and squat.

Hill couldn't live up to the pressure. Maybe that was poor coaching, maybe it was just Hill not being able to handle the limelight. Not everybody can. A knock on the staff would be that losing Kingsbury and going with Spav certainly played a role in how our offense operated, as well as the fact that the playcalling deteriorated after Game 1 of that season.

Allen...we could say that was a high probability of a bad handling of the situation by the coaches. But at the same time, Allen didn't do a whole lot on his side to keep the peace either. Plus, Spav.

Murray was overrated and his attitude was horrible. While having a lot of talent, he was not helping the team at all and you could tell just by his demeanor and the demeanor of the players around him.

Stewart never signed because he was the #4 overall draft of the MLB. Anybody that would pass up that kind of money to take a chance at playing college football would have been an absolute and unfathomable idiot. Apparently he is not.

The new kid was a fugskin verbal commit. Non binding, non anything really. We had a coaching change, he decided to see what other pastures looked like. Lots of other kids do that in the exact same situation and no way should A&M be held to the fire for that outside of the fact that Sumlin allows coaches to have social media accounts - if you want to hammer on him, hammer on him for that for sure.

It all comes down to what's happening now. Yes, 8 qb's left, but only one is alarming, Allen. Hindsight is always 20-20...

However, we are in a MUCH BETTER situation now with Knight and Hubes in Mazzone's offense than we have been with anyone after Manziel. So ESPN or anyone can really say anything they want, but it shouldn't matter to real Aggie fans

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Its amazing how many people think two 5 stars with a locker room divided is some how better than two veteran qb's that aren't as good

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I agree with your point except the two 5 stars may not be better than what we have now.

I don't think we throw 3 pick sixes against Bama this year or have approximately 20 straight incompletions against Ole Miss.

And then we have Kryler who cussed at the OC for being pulled after throwing a wounded duck pick against Alabama. I think I could have picked that ball off.

This team has enough talent that I expect us to win 9-10 games this year, and I am glad we won't have a freshman taking a single snap at QB.

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Too many here love to play the victim. I agree Joeckel and Showers are irrelevant since neither could even be here at this point. As for the rest, it doesn't matter why they left. If just one had stayed, there would be no story. Although it would have been next to impossible to keep them all, we could still have Matt Davis and/or Kenny Hill as RS SRs, or Stewart as a RS JR, or Allen as a RS SO, or Murray as a RS FR, with Martell next in the pipeline. The story is that somehow we have ZERO of those guys in the fold, and instead are relying on a grad transfer at the position. It's mind blowing, and definitely worthy of a segment on ESPN.

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Horrible. Said 8 QBs have left the program since Johnny.

-Showers
-Davis
-Stewart
-Joeckel
-Hill
-Allen
-Murray
-Martell

Really? Come on man! While true that people have left, how about some context. Seriously, nothing but a hit piece. I hate that we give them the ammo though. At this point only winning will shut them up.

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Not this **** again.......

Three left because they didn't want to sit behind Johnny.. One left for a million dollar paycheck in the MLB. And one of those never even came to A&M in the first place.

So cut your list of 8 down to 3 and you MIGHT have a point.

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I don't get the Joeckel, Hill, and Allen transfers. Staff should have been able to hang on to at least two of those three.

Maybe there is something about the way the competition for the starting job is handled. Kliff had some guys bailing from Tech too. Guys that could have seen playing time.

I'm also a little surprised that at least one of Showers and Davis didn't stay considering Johnny was an undersized DT QB. It's amazing the guy didn't miss 5-5 games over his two years.

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Joeckel graduated already, was third on the depth chart, and was a career backup here. Hill and Allen were the same, both really good, but couldn't handle pressure. I'd assume most Ags would rather have Knight/Hubenak over Hill/Allen any day.

Its amazing how many people think two 5 stars with a locker room divided is some how better than two veteran qb's that aren't as good, but work together to give the team the best chance at winning.

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Expecting Hill and Allen to handle pressure at that age is a little too much. Some guys can at that age but very few. Both of these guys may end up being really good and on an NFL roster.

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Lots of guys "may end up being really good and on an NFL roster". Then again, lots of guys won't.

Neither of those two have handled the pace so far, in college.

The past is back that way; the future is up there.

Did they talk about the fact that Hubenak was a pretty highly rated QB out of HS that decided to transfer into A&M amidst all of this supposed controversy?

If you ding us for the transfers and graduates, you need to give us,props for those that actually came here.....

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Too many here love to play the victim. I agree Joeckel and Showers are irrelevant since neither could even be here at this point. As for the rest, it doesn't matter why they left. If just one had stayed, there would be no story. Although it would have been next to impossible to keep them all, we could still have Matt Davis and/or Kenny Hill as RS SRs, or Stewart as a RS JR, or Allen as a RS SO, or Murray as a RS FR, with Martell next in the pipeline. The story is that somehow we have ZERO of those guys in the fold, and instead are relying on a grad transfer at the position. It's mind blowing, and definitely worthy of a segment on ESPN.

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Joekel and Showers wanted to play - no backup QB gets a shot at an invite to the Combine, but QB's that play for even teams like TCU and UTEP certainly do. Acting like their transfer is an indictment on the program is nothing more than talking heads wanting to sensationalize things.


Davis was never going to see the field as a QB. He probably never would have made it past 4th string as a QB. He transferred...and has done jack and squat at SMU and has looked absolutely terrible doing that jack and squat.

Hill couldn't live up to the pressure. Maybe that was poor coaching, maybe it was just Hill not being able to handle the limelight. Not everybody can. A knock on the staff would be that losing Kingsbury and going with Spav certainly played a role in how our offense operated, as well as the fact that the playcalling deteriorated after Game 1 of that season.

Allen...we could say that was a high probability of a bad handling of the situation by the coaches. But at the same time, Allen didn't do a whole lot on his side to keep the peace either. Plus, Spav.

Murray was overrated and his attitude was horrible. While having a lot of talent, he was not helping the team at all and you could tell just by his demeanor and the demeanor of the players around him.

Stewart never signed because he was the #4 overall draft of the MLB. Anybody that would pass up that kind of money to take a chance at playing college football would have been an absolute and unfathomable idiot. Apparently he is not.

The new kid was a fugskin verbal commit. Non binding, non anything really. We had a coaching change, he decided to see what other pastures looked like. Lots of other kids do that in the exact same situation and no way should A&M be held to the fire for that outside of the fact that Sumlin allows coaches to have social media accounts - if you want to hammer on him, hammer on him for that for sure.

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- Matt Cassel says hello. Not only did he get invited to the combine, he was drafted without ever starting a college football game. But, I get your point.

We were called the "Kardashian's of college football," on the Pawwwl Finebaum Show today... Ugh!!

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Allen was thrown under the bus by his head coach, who had no relationship with him, therefore; he couldn't trust the Head Coach.

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Amen to that!

I wasn't aware that a player could leave a program he never actually enrolled in.

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Allen was thrown under the bus by his head coach, who had no relationship with him, therefore; he couldn't trust the Head Coach.

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Psychology: sometimes useful, sometimes not.

When it is, however, efficacious, it requires exact knowledge of the subject it addresses, which one much doubts is the case in either of these shots.

And now a lead story on the ESPN CFB page is an insider story with a title that definitely states the horns have taken back recruiting in the state from us. Starts off with how an unnamed source states recruits love Charlie and hate Sumlin.


There can absolutely be truth to a story and an agenda/bias. We've had our issues. Some brought on by the staff, some brought on by the recruits and recruiting in the social media age. But there is absolutely an agenda by the media, ESPN being the biggest media outlet in sports, to create stories instead of simply reporting facts. Especially in the offseason. Add to that the fact that ESPN and the horns are close bedfellows (you're just plain naive if you don't think business partners don't look out for each other), moreso than we might be with ESPN because of the SECnetwork. All you have to do is look at the spin put on articles about texas versus articles about us.

Bias is inherent in humans. To pretend like any human is immune to that, especially sports journalists employed by the most powerful media entity in sports which blatantly gets into bed with the teams and leagues they report on, is just silly.

wonder how many schools have had two first round QB picks and a Heisman over the past five years? Former A&M QB won Super Bowl as head coach and Jerrod was signed by Baltimore. A little balance wouldn't hurt

Spavital, Christiensen and Anderson caused more problems than they were worth. Mazzone and turner will have to work to recover from it. Sumlin missed the boat when he didn't hire Turner off Sherman's staff.

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Horrible. Said 8 QBs have left the program since Johnny.

-Showers
-Davis
-Stewart
-Joeckel
-Hill
-Allen
-Murray
-Martell

Really? Come on man! While true that people have left, how about some context. Seriously, nothing but a hit piece. I hate that we give them the ammo though. At this point only winning will shut them up.

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Stewart was never even a student...He is playing pro baseball?

Murray is ass my vato.

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Although this specific talking point should have been investigated further, I thought it was fair segment. The jest of the round table was about the state of A&M football. Finebaum is correct in saying Sumlin really hasn't improved the program since Johnny left...the SEC record in particular speaks for itself.
I also agree with the comment that Chavis's defense will be Trevor Knight's best friend...as it will be the best defense in the Sumlin era.

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I absolutely agree. All the talk has always been around the offense, what it is and isn't doing well. It shouldn't take a transfer QB to fix or change the discipline on the offensive side of the ball...that should come from the coaches, and that has been the problem the last few years. Knight is a welcome surprise, and has already changed the attitude and discipline of the offense....all by himself. The defense will be much improved, thankfully, and those two things should make for a much better season.

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Spavital, Christiensen and Anderson caused more problems than they were worth. Mazzone and turner will have to work to recover from it. Sumlin missed the boat when he didn't hire Turner off Sherman's staff.

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Blame everybody but the man who was in charge. Nice buck passing.

How can someone that was never a part of the program "leave the program"? F#$%@ media

I'm done getting upset about ESiPN. They are a $300 Million dollar business partner with tu. What do you expect?

Anything they can do to disadvantage any program that competes with their business partner they will go after.
Texas A&M is tu's biggest obstacle for success.

It's part of the what we have to overcome. We have overall and will continue to do so.

I don't understand how the less successful network has any impact on ESPN's very close partnership with the SEC as demonstrated not just by the SEC ESPN Network and its equally helpful (to Aggies) SEC+ and WatchESPN offerings, but also by SEC games being broadcast on ESPN, ESPNU, and ESPN2 as well far more frequently than Texas games are (especially during the baseball season but generally as well.)

Let ESPN make money however it can. And realize that there is every reason to believe that if the SEC ESPN Network and the relationship with ESPN is successful, the numbers will go up in an otherwise declining market. The guaranteed payout to Texas is only for the first 20 years of the deal. For them to continue to receive an equivalent payout, the LHN has to become profit producing. While there are rumors that it is CLOSE to being profitable, we haven't heard that Texas is receiving the additional profit share that indicates that line has been crossed.

I think the LHN represents Texas well and I understand ESPN will try to drive customers that are interested in the Texas brand to that property. It seems equally obvious that there are MORE opportunities to make money with the SEC and they are unlikely to act against their own economic interests in jeopardizing that revenue. Some talking head saying something isn't the same as an orchestrated campaign against Texas A&M. Although I guess just because you're not paranoid doesn't mean everyone isn't out to get you...

Good god, will the Whorn paranoia ever cease?

Sorry but 5 star QB's leaving on a daily basis is not the fault of ESPN or the Whorn. Quit blaming everyone else but those running the program for what's wrong with the program.

What was the update on chollie laying core values on the Louiseville administrators wife? What was the buyout to make that story go away?

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Good god, will the Whorn paranoia ever cease?

Sorry but 5 star QB's leaving on a daily basis is not the fault of ESPN or the Whorn. Quit blaming everyone else but those running the program for what's wrong with the program.

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Looks like you leave a lot to be desired in reading comprehension. I don't think people are blaming 5* QBs leaving on a daily basis (exaggerate just a little, do we?) on ESPN, merely irritated at how this topic and A&M news in general is covered by ESPN.

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Good god, will the Whorn paranoia ever cease?

Sorry but 5 star QB's leaving on a daily basis is not the fault of ESPN or the Whorn. Quit blaming everyone else but those running the program for what's wrong with the program.

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Looks like you leave a lot to be desired in reading comprehension. I don't think people are blaming 5* QBs leaving on a daily basis (exaggerate just a little, do we?) on ESPN, merely irritated at how this topic and A&M news in general is covered by ESPN.

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I read just fine compared to many people here at The Zoo.

Also, while we are discussing reading comprehension, look up the term "hyberbole" while you're at it. It is often used by many to illustrate a point.

And as before, in regards to ESPN and its reporting on the dumpster fire that is A&M Football, shooting the messenger because you don't like the message gets you nowhere.

How dare someone say bad things about the A&M football program! Only WE are allowed to say bad things about the football program. Everyone who says bad things about us are t-sip liberal loser media fools except us.

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It all comes down to what's happening now. Yes, 8 qb's left, but only one is alarming, Allen. Hindsight is always 20-20...

However, we are in a MUCH BETTER situation now with Knight and Hubes in Mazzone's offense than we have been with anyone after Manziel. So ESPN or anyone can really say anything they want, but it shouldn't matter to real Aggie fans

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We would be better with almost anyone other than Spav. Will take a season to know what we have in Knight and Mazzone though. Not ready to anoint either as anything before even a single game.

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Good god, will the Whorn paranoia ever cease?

Sorry but 5 star QB's leaving on a daily basis is not the fault of ESPN or the Whorn. Quit blaming everyone else but those running the program for what's wrong with the program.

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Looks like you leave a lot to be desired in reading comprehension. I don't think people are blaming 5* QBs leaving on a daily basis (exaggerate just a little, do we?) on ESPN, merely irritated at how this topic and A&M news in general is covered by ESPN.

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I read just fine compared to many people here at The Zoo.

Also, while we are discussing reading comprehension, look up the term "hyberbole" while you're at it. It is often used by many to illustrate a point.

And as before, in regards to ESPN and its reporting on the dumpster fire that is A&M Football, shooting the messenger because you don't like the message gets you nowhere.

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Hey, whatever you have to tell yourself to continue this self-hatred thing you have going on. Keep wallowing in self-pity, calling our program a dumpster fire (oh wait, that's some more hyperbole, right? ) if it makes you feel better to be miserable.

By the way, that team just down the road who you probably adore and believe is going to return to dominance any day now (because thats what the media says, and the media always reports accurately, correct?)....that team has gone 9-4, 8-5, 6-7, and 5-7 the past four seasons, had a recruit refuse to take makeup classes so that he intentionally didnt meet the academic requirements thereby invalidating his commitment, and had a freshman player twittering DURING halftime of a game last season that they regretted their choice in schools. THAT is a dumpster fire.

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Good god, will the Whorn paranoia ever cease?

Sorry but 5 star QB's leaving on a daily basis is not the fault of ESPN or the Whorn. Quit blaming everyone else but those running the program for what's wrong with the program.

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Looks like you leave a lot to be desired in reading comprehension. I don't think people are blaming 5* QBs leaving on a daily basis (exaggerate just a little, do we?) on ESPN, merely irritated at how this topic and A&M news in general is covered by ESPN.

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I read just fine compared to many people here at The Zoo.

Also, while we are discussing reading comprehension, look up the term "hyberbole" while you're at it. It is often used by many to illustrate a point.

And as before, in regards to ESPN and its reporting on the dumpster fire that is A&M Football, shooting the messenger because you don't like the message gets you nowhere.

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" ... the dumpster fire that is A&M football".

Shooting the messengers is a patriotic duty when they pass false information in time of battle.