till he's shown the door at tu.

There is a very high possibility that he is going to recruit 0 QBs this year now that Gentry is going to Michigan and if Kyler stays with the good guys. His current class also has eligibility issues, the possibility of even more de-commitments, and poor Malik is going to be left all by himself when the elite recruits go elsewhere.

His offense is going to be sub-par again and potentially even worse if they try switching to the spread. I just don't see the sips having that much patience with him.

Charlie's main problem is that he's a decent football coach that found himself coaching a program that takes a lot of pampering and diplomacy, and not just with the players.

He just doesn't think that way and if he fails to learn how to manage that, he will be unemployed very soon.

He might end up with a couple of big time recruits this year. He might even get Murray and Mack.

But as we all know, some kids don't pan out, and three or four kids won't turn that program around in a year, especially as true freshmen.

That coupled with the recruits he's lost, as you pointed out, could spell disaster for next season.

I say best case scenario he's a four year coach.

Worst case scenario, he coaches his last game in burnt orange next season.

He gets the obligatory 4-years, right?

You gotta give a coach a chance to play with his own upper classmen.
Anything short of that means the University wasn't really serious with his program.

it wasn't a splash enough hire for them. with all the hype about murray and the others coming, if they don't pull it off it's going to look bad for him and the program. the true lords of belmont are probably already kicking the tires with other coaches to see who's next.

It's 4 years.

4 years unless Carroll gets tired of NFL coaching

3 yrs if they dont improve over 6-7 in 15 or 16. He'll get the 4th yr if they improve by one or two wins.

He'll be there for a while. Big 12 is a joke. He isn't going to be winning 6 games a year each year. I don't think anyone there is actually asking the "how much time do we give him" question unless next year is a huge failure, which I doubt.

Reminds me of when BCG went to Kentucky. Not the right fit.

Both AD and HC will be different in 3 years.

Patterson has Pro Sport aspirations (again) and next AD will want "his guy".

Add to that...a new University President is pending. The shift isn't over.

It'll depend on his record this year. If he gors 6-7 again and gets his **** pushed in ala Arky in a bowl game, he'll be on a very short leash in year three. Anything less than an 8 or 9 win season featuring a win over Baylor or TCU (lol) in his third he and he's done for. I can see them continuing to make excuses for at least one more year. If he wins even one more game next year, the narrative in the media will be a "young and improving team". "Dark horse to win BDF" in year three. Their schedule is such a joke idk how he wins less than 7 games next year.

I think he'd make a good position coach. Maybe even a coordinator.

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If the apocalypse happens and KM, DM, etc go to TU, then I think he has longer than Sumlin.

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Sumlin is a better coach. He needs DM and KM but strong will not survive three years without them. And strong getting those guys will not keep him from going 6-7 or worse again. Because he will start a true freshman qb behind a crap oline and his "vaunted" d losing its best players.

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It'll depend on his record this year. If he gors 6-7 again and gets his **** pushed in ala Arky in a bowl game, he'll be on a very short leash in year three. Anything less than an 8 or 9 win season featuring a win over Baylor or TCU (lol) in his third he and he's done for. I can see them continuing to make excuses for at least one more year. If he wins even one more game next year, the narrative in the media will be a "young and improving team". "Dark horse to win BDF" in year three. Their schedule is such a joke idk how he wins less than 7 games next year.

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My take is Strong gets a shorter leash, not longer, if he winds up with a highly ranked recruiting class. How can he waste all of that talent??? But with his current coaching staff, it will be a miracle if the horns win 8 or 9 games next year. Not with changing up the offense.

That's what ultimately got Mack Brown fired. He got the talent, just the wrong talent for what they needed for whichever offense they were running that particular season. Stars were far more important than putting round pegs in round holes.

Aggies,
Longhorn fan here. Seriously, I just want to talk football. This is not a troll post. I just want to know how you come up with the idea Charlie is a bad coach. Here is why I don't get it. Charlie was hired to fix a bad team. Charlie had less than a month to try and salvage Mack's last recruiting class and thus lost many. On top of that, Charlie takes this fixer-upper team with a broken recruiting class and then has to play almost the whole season with a replacement Center and a QB that should have never been QB. With all that going against him, he gets the D to be damn good and seriously should have beat UCLA and OU. How UT lost those games is an amazing tale of grasping defeat from the jaws of victory.

This year Charlie will have at the very least, Heard, a healthy center, his own very good recruiting class, and a full off season of preparation. I expect better this year. As for the bad coaching thing, how is that large amounts of Florida fans and Louisville fans appreciate Charlies work and were upset to see him go? It just seems to me that a lot of Aggies have unrealistic expectations for the first year of a coach resurrecting a program. Is this because KS had such a great season his first year with Sherman's kids? Been circling the drain more an more the years after that. Is that whats expected?

If ya'll think this is trolling because I'm a UT fan, then... oh well. Its just that so many posts on this site smell like bitter desperation and hopes that Charlie fails, not like objective evaluation of the situation.

Of course we hope he fails. Very slowly.

First - appropriate handle you got there. Good one.

Second - I don't think most people on here think Charlie is a bad coach. The prevailing thought seems to be that he is in over his head & that has yet to be proven either way.

Third - Disrespectful things are said on all fan sites about other coaches. The same point you make here is one we can make very easily after spending any time on your sites. RUMLIN, anyone?

Bottom line is that so far Charlie is having a rough time of it in Austin. You are ignoring all the current decommits & trying to spin the rumored possibilities as fact. It will be interesting to see how it turns out & how Charlie will make or break the next QB. He is unproven at this level.

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If ya'll think this is trolling because I'm a UT fan, then... oh well. Its just that so many posts on this site smell like bitter desperation and hopes that Charlie fails, not like objective evaluation of the
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And the posts on your sites are NOT smelling of bitter desperation & hopes for Sumlin's failure? Nothing but objective evaluation of the situation? Please.

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Been circling the drain more an more the years after that. Is that whats expected?

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You realize we could rationalize that with bull**** excuses like you did for Strong. Point is, KDS is still a couple wins better than Chollie including Arkansas that boat raced Texsa to embarrassment. Until you prove otherwise, I'd keep my trap shut.

Charlie's biggest issue is that the alum and fans hate him because he is black. I've never seen so many racist comments and jokes about a professional.

I had no idea the tu mindset was THAT racist.

Two more seasons, then he gone,

The whorn trolls are swarming on TexAgs these days. LiveScrong couldn't manage a winning season in 2014. That's not making the most of what he had. It's making it worse. 1 step back for 2 steps forward (next year)? We'll see. 8-5 > 6-7.

Just stop with asking commenters here to justify the argument that whorn is worse under Chobbit. 6-7 IS WORSE THAN 8-5.

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You got that right.

I think that Chollie gets at least 3 years probably 4, he will continue to turn out 6 +/- 1 win seasons during his tenure. The sips will want to fire him at the end of 3 years but may not be able to due to the cost, if so then he gets a 4th year. The sips will set about doing their next "Hire of the Century" and will again end up with their 5-6 choice because no perceived great coach is going to come to the BDF.

I'd say if they have another season like last one then he will hear about it and the money will even go lower. It's now time. Have to win 8 games and the bowl next year.

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I just want to know how you come up with the idea Charlie is a bad coach.

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I think he's a very good coach, and had we hired him after Sherman I would have supported that decision.

I just don't think he's a good fit in Austin. Time will tell.

Do you guys actually believe the stuff you post or is it just a game to see who can be the most ridiculous? This is a topic that could be discussed rationally, but a quick scan of the posts will tel you that Charlie is going to get zero elite recruits, he's on a short lease because (not sure who) expects to be pampered, and also because Texas fans are racist.

Its really pretty simple. If he wins he will keep his job. If he doesn't he won't. Losing seasons aren't acceptable, and he knows it.

9-3 next season or its highway time...

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Do you guys actually believe the stuff you post or is it just a game to see who can be the most ridiculous? This is a topic that could be discussed rationally, but a quick scan of the posts will tel you that SUMLIN is going to get zero elite recruits, he's a DRUNK, and also because AGGIE
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And this is what I see when I go to your sites.

The sheep thing is a joke, because its an Ag school. No one really believes it. I highly doubt you have seen anyone seriously saying Sumlin isn't going to get any elite recruits, as he has been putting together really good classes. I have no idea what you are talking about as far as Sumlin being a drunk. Must have missed that one.

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Do you guys actually believe the stuff you post or is it just a game to see who can be the most ridiculous? This is a topic that could be discussed rationally, but a quick scan of the posts will tel you that Charlie is going to get zero elite recruits, he's on a short lease because (not sure who) expects to be pampered, and also because Texas fans are racist.

Its really pretty simple. If he wins he will keep his job. If he doesn't he won't. Losing seasons aren't acceptable, and he knows it.

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Fella, I know the biggest donors in Austin. Many, not all, HATE that you hired a black coach. It's the truth, deal with it.

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Second - I don't think most people on here think Charlie is a bad coach. The prevailing thought seems to be that he is in over his head & that has yet to be proven either way.

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I don't think he's in over his head as far as he coaching goes, he coaches in the BDF. At Lousiville he was in the ACC which I'm sure most will agree IS a tougher conference. He's in over his head where t.u is concerned because it requires you be a good politician too, he isn't that.

t.u was looking for a splash hire and had to settle for him. One of your bigger boosters (Red McCombs) hated the hire and thought he was "coordinator" material. When your fan base is split on the hire, not a very good start.

Recruiting? He can't out recruit Mack Brown, he might be able to out X's and O's him though. Strong offered 16? Florida kids scholarships... when did that ever happen at t.u? If you can't pull talent in your home state which is full of it, not going to end well. Sure he's pulled some recruits from our state, but not like it used to be... and that is fine with us.

I hope he has a loooong tenure at t.u as I don't think that program will ever amount to much under him.

If he has another 6-7 season or worse? He gone.

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If the apocalypse happens and KM, DM, etc go to TU, then I think he has longer than Sumlin.

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Congrats! You win Dumb.ass Post of the Day!

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He's in over his head where t.u is concerned because it requires you be a good politician too, he isn't that.

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Yes. Agree. I sorta meant that, too, but didn't spell it out near as well.

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I hate to break it to you, but A&M is percieved as the school of racists, not Texas. Thats probably not fair, but thats the perception. Also, its not helping that you guys call our coach Chollie and Charkie. Anyone who doesn't know what that means (I didn't) ought to look it up before they use it.

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Probably should have looked up "StrongHorn" before you guys ran with it, as well.

Just sayin'.

Don't know how long he stays w sipy....

But I know he's in the wrong state to be telling people they can't have guns