Not exactly the same; but I don't think Bruce Matthews legacy is tarnished at USC because all his kids came to A&M? It just sucks that it's freaking sorry ass tu involved here. I also believe he's outta here. He's not coming; but believe it or not, it may work out better at that position if he does decommit.

Kylers chance of making money is in baseball or tu.

He doesn't owe A&M his kid but shouldn't by trying to **** over A&M for some more money at the last minute.

And guess what, the only reason this is happening is either tu is offering a **** load of cash (that we either haven't offered or cannot match) or the Kevin Murray hates Sumlin meme is true (even though BL adamantly denied it). The suddenness of this change in heart leads me to believe it is the first one and I believe BL when he says the second one is not true.

It just doesn't go down like this without extenuating circumstances.

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Not exactly the same; but I don't think Bruce Matthews legacy is tarnished at USC because all his kids came to A&M? It just sucks
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Did Matthews allow A&M to buy his kids a week before signing day even though they were the only recruit at that position and were committed to USC for almost a year?

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He doesn't owe A&M his kid but shouldn't by trying to **** over A&M for some more money at the last minute.

And guess what, the only reason this is happening is either tu is offering a **** load of cash (that we either haven't offered or cannot match) or the Kevin Murray hates Sumlin meme is true (even though BL adamantly denied it). The suddenness of this change in heart leads me to believe it is the first one and I believe BL when he says the second one is not true.

It just doesn't go down like this without extenuating circumstances.

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If the murrays Were in it for money, wouldn't kyler just go to MLB?

Kevin had a sweet deal when he was here, probably looking for the same for junior.

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I don't think there is a snowballs chance on the equator that Kevin and Kyler Murray would do that to A&M.
Kyler would have decided much earlier if he was going to go to tu or anywhere else but A&M. It is going to be fun to watch him play on Kyle Field. I don't understand the going to tu thing, unless maybe it was to take Lodge and help get him to A&M.

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REST!!!

i repeat myself above because it is worth repeating. Not happnin, so all you nancies just need to give it a rest already.

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If the murrays Were in it for money, wouldn't kyler just go to MLB?

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He can still go to MLB and gets paid by tu either way. Plus, tu probably thinks it is worth because they get mack and lodge among others, plus the PR boost from flipping him.

Like I said either Kevin hates Sumlin and wants to **** him over or a nice offer was made for Kyler's services.

But please keep believing he just woke up in the last week and realized their was something different and better about tu (a school he was making fun of last year) that wasn't there before.

I think we should match tu but the Murrays need to give us that chance.

knock this crap off already, it does no good, and not necessary

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It does nothing to Kevin's legacy. He doesn't owe A&M his kid.

He obviously loves A&M - named his son after Kyle Field. But I hope he is focused on what is best for Kyler. Not what is best for A&M.

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#1. You're confusing legacy with ability and success. Yes he was great and yes he was a winner, but legacy is how you are perceived well after the fact. You're being dishonest if you think his legacy and how people view him will not be affected.

#2. Nobody EVER said his son had to attend A&M. I certainly didn't. Kyler was free to chose his school and we all hoped it would be A&M. What Kevin/Kyler does owe A&M, is respect. Making a commitment to the school and then changing it with a week left is not respectful on many levels. It leaves us in a QB lurch, it destroys our recruiting momentum, and may harm the university for a long time.

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This is his child. He needs to do what he feels is best for his child, not worry about our recruiting momentum.

And as I said earlier I hope that their decision is that A&M is best for Kyler.

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It doesn't make it any less true, and it doesn't matter now. It is probably finished one way or another next week. Nothing said on this board matters much other than for us to vent.

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Agreed.

Well someone is getting trolled like a mofo either way. We will have to wait until NSD to see if it's Charlie or Kevin.

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It doesn't make it any less true, and it doesn't matter now. It is probably finished one way or another next week. Nothing said on this board matters much other than for us to vent.

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I disagree. People see this stuff. This is a conversation that will never go away (unless Texags's servers get wiped). If I was Kevin & saw this I'd be pissed.

If Kevin is reading this, hope he knows my first response was tongue in cheek.

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I disagree. People see this stuff. This is a conversation that will never go away (unless Texags's servers get wiped). If I was Kevin &
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Why would he be pissed? He either already hates Sumlin and will not let his son play here or has been swayed by tu's money pitch. Nothing has changed with tu in the last week that wasn't already in place when Kyler committed or over the months he has been committed.

I mean Murray Sr. was not pissed at all the tu messageboard hate directed at his son (it was much worse than this thread) enough to keep him from visiting tu a week before signing day. Nor was the hate he garnered as a player from the tu fans and media, enough to piss him off. Why would he get pissed because we are questioning this very odd change of heart.

You do not just do this a week before signing day. Something is going on behind the scenes and only two things make sense, as I stated earlier.

If it is the money pitch, we need to match. If he hates Sumlin there is not much we can do. Wake up. This is either financial or personal.

I care more about A&M and its program than their feelings in the long run.

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I disagree. People see this stuff. This is a conversation that will never go away (unless Texags's servers get wiped). If I was Kevin &
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Why would he be pissed? He either already hates Sumlin and will not let his son play here or has been swayed by tu's money pitch. Nothing has changed with tu in the last week that wasn't already in place when Kyler committed or over the months he has been committed.

You do not just do this a week before signing day. Something is going on behind the scenes and only two things make sense, as I stated earlier.

If it is the money pitch, we need to match. If he hates Sumlin there is not much we can do.

I care more about A&M and its program than their feelings in the long run.

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So you believe that they have no other motivation other than to hurt A&M or to get paid? That their love for their child doesn't matter at all? And you don't think that's insulting at all?

Here's what I think: I think that Kevin's being a good Dad. And I think that Kyler will probably end up being an Aggie. And that after national signing day that most of you chicken littles will find something new to squawk about until Kyler eventually starts. And then the overanalyzing of each piece of minutia about his life will resume.

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Not exactly the same; but I don't think Bruce Matthews legacy is tarnished at USC because all his kids came to A&M? It just sucks that it's freaking sorry ass tu involved here. I also believe he's outta here. He's not coming; but believe it or not, it may work out better at that position if he does decommit.

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As a USC grad, I'd be pissed if they flipped to ucla.

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So you believe that they have no other motivation other than to hurt A&M or to get paid? That their love for their child doesn't matter
at all? And you don't think that's insulting at all?


Here's what I think: I think that Kevin's being a good Dad. And I think that Kyler will probably end up being an Aggie. And that after
national signing day that most of you chicken littles will find
something new to squawk about until Kyler eventually starts. And then
the overanalyzing of each piece of minutia about his life will resume.

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The Murrays are not stupid. Kevin has been through this as a player. Nothing has changed at tu that was there before Kyler committed to A&M and nothing has changed since he has been committed. This is not just being sure a week before signing day. They had months to do that. Get real.

I think we will know one way or another by the end of next week because our coaches are not stupid either. They will know if Kyler is off the reservation soon enough.

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This is his child. He needs to do what he feels is best for his child, not worry about our recruiting momentum.

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We all agree with that. But there is a right way and a wrong way to go about things.

If things play out as they are and he flips at the last second, that is a pretty poor way to handle your business and treat your former university. If I was in Kevin's shoes, I would let my kid choose whatever school he wanted. I would NOT, however, do anything in such a way that would harm the program. Never!!!

You keep making this "what's best for his child" as an excuse to treat a university however you want. Well it isn't!! If you don't treat other people with respect, don't expect it in return.

torrente is a sip for sure

KYLER MURRAY IS NOT GOING TO COMMIT TO tu. EOT.

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Go check my posting history jackass. There is something going on here. It is what it is. I hope we win but let's not act like anyone is acting from a moral high ground here.

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Would you put money it? I wouldn't at this point either in our favor or the sips.

Well, yes, yes I would.

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This is his child. He needs to do what he feels is best for his child, not worry about our recruiting momentum.

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We all agree with that. But there is a right way and a wrong way to go about things.

If things play out as they are and he flips at the last second, that is a pretty poor way to handle your business and treat your former university. If I was in Kevin's shoes, I would let my kid choose whatever school he wanted. I would NOT, however, do anything in such a way that would harm the program. Never!!!

You keep making this "what's best for his child" as an excuse to treat a university however you want. Well it isn't!! If you don't treat other people with respect, don't expect it in return.

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I hope that they don't hurt the program either. But this is a kid. They don't always know what they want.

That said I still completely disagree with the premise that Kevin Murray's legacy with A&M should or will be tarnished if his child decides to go to another school. Kevin's an Aggie.

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That said I still completely disagree with the premise that Kevin Murray's legacy with A&M should or will be tarnished if his child
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It is not about him going to tu. It is about how it is going down. We have had other players send their kids their. But they were not year long commits, who were the only player at their position, and decided to flip (if it happens) a week before signing day. Like I said something is going on here, the "it is only dad looking out for his son" crowd are being naive.

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I wouldn't but I would have on Tues. of this week. Not since then though.

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That said I still completely disagree with the premise that Kevin Murray's legacy with A&M should or will be tarnished if his child
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It is not about him going to tu. It is about how it is going down. We have had other players send their kids their. But they were not year long commits, who were the only player at their position, and decided to flip (if it happens) a week before signing day. Like I said something is going on here, the "it is only dad looking out for his son" crowd are being naive.

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I wouldn't but I would have on Tues. of this week. Not since then though.

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I think you're ridiculous. Signing off of this thread now.

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That said I still completely disagree with the premise that Kevin Murray's legacy with A&M should or will be tarnished if his child decides to go to another school. Kevin's an Aggie.

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A person's legacy is nothing more than how you are viewed by folks in the future. Sure he's a Aggie. Sure he was a great player. If his kid chose Oregon 6 months ago, no one would have cared. But if this process goes down with a last second flip, you can't possibly believe that many many people won't be left with a very bad taste in their mouth? Simply put, he will never be viewed the same again. You think Kevin will get invites to athletic department functions? Sorry, but I think you're out of touch with reality.

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I think you're ridiculous. Signing off of this thread now.

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I think you're ridiculous for believing this is just some last minute, need to be sure thing on the Murrays part.

In fairness, maybe Sumlin did piss Kevin off and it is not sip payola but those who think this is just normal are in denial.

saying the stuff you are torrente cannot possible help us, so why keep it up, just stop already, it is ok.

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saying the stuff you are torrente cannot possible help us, so why keep it up, just stop already, it is ok.

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It is not hurting us either. What is done is done. I can question the sudden change of heart especially to tu this late in the game. People need to do what is in their best interest but it isn't always going to be good for the other parties involved.

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I don't think anyone has a problem with Kevin allowing his kid to make a decision, including going to the aips. The problem many of us have is doing it this late in the process leaving A&M screwed. Especially after A&M avoided recruiting other QB's out of loyalty to Murray.

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This.

If Kyler had decommitted when Lodge did, or hadn't committed to anyone and was still deciding, there would be no hard feelings towards Kevin, at least not by anyone reasonable.

At this stage, given our lack of depth at the position, if Kyler ends up anywhere but here, Kevin will be pretty much persona non grata at A&M from here on.

I'm having a hard time imagining what could have pissed off the Murrays this much, if that is what actually happened. Maybe it has to do with the QB from Blinn?

Knowing that baseball has always been a possibility with Kyler, I would certainly hope that we've had a backup plan all along, regardless of any last minute flirtations with the dark side.

Sure it would! Especially this sort of timing; but would it hurt his Legacy? I don't believe it's a fair comparison because Bruce is a hall of famer; but it's the only one I could think of at the moment. I really don't care. He's flipping, and something good at QB will happen after that. What you gonna do? We aren't losing our jobs or anything over it. Ha! I hate the internet!

Depends on whether he acts like Gary Oliver or not.

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He is???