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Leather Tuscadero gets it. It's about Sumlin shutting down his recruitment of other QB's because that is what Kyler wanted when he committed. It would definitely hurt Kevin Murray's legacy as an Ag if his son screws over the future of his alma maters football program by leading them on and then pulling the rug out from under them last minute. This is exactly why I think Kyler plays football at A&M if he plays football at all.

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that's sumlin's fault for putting all his eggs in one basket.

what kevin's son does in no way effects kevin's legacy. such a stupid argument

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The thing is, it's not like the Murray's didn't have the expectation that he play in his true fish year back in May when he committed. He
didn't wake up two weeks ago and decide that some new criteria for him
to sign. Further, he had hypothetical competition from both Allen and
Hill at the time whereas now only from Allen.

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This.

Nothing has really changed in the situation, except that now Kyler all of a sudden has interest in tu.

Which is why a flip is really only possibility for two reasons, either there really is Murray/Sumlin heat (which BL vehemently denies) or big time offer is being made beyond being guaranteed starting QB and/or playing baseball.

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that's sumlin's fault for putting all his eggs in one basket.

what kevin's son does in no way effects kevin's legacy. such a stupid argument

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Sumlin put all his eggs in one basket due to Kyler and Kevin. If the Murrays piss all over that and A&M, and flip to tu a week before signing day, it will affect his legacy with a majority of Ags. He will be a great player who screwed the football program in a public and meaningful way. You can argue about it all you want but I guarantee most football following Ags will feel that way for a good while.

Yeah, Kevin was great and I completely support his putting "father" ahead of "aggie" but if he flips, the TIMING on this will be unforgivable. It will appear orchestrated to damage our school. Can't get around that.

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The thing is, it's not like the Murray's didn't have the expectation that he play in his true fish year back in May when he committed. He
didn't wake up two weeks ago and decide that some new criteria for him
to sign. Further, he had hypothetical competition from both Allen and
Hill at the time whereas now only from Allen.

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This.

Nothing has really changed in the situation, except that now Kyler all of a sudden has interest in tu.

Which is why a flip is really only possibility for two reasons, either there really is Murray/Sumlin heat (which BL vehemently denies) or big time offer is being made beyond being guaranteed starting QB and/or playing baseball.

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that's sumlin's fault for putting all his eggs in one basket.

what kevin's son does in no way effects kevin's legacy. such a stupid argument

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Sumlin put all his eggs in one basket due to Kyler and Kevin. If the Murrays piss all over that and A&M, and flip to tu a week before signing day, it will affect his legacy with a majority of Ags. He will be a great player who screwed the football program in a public and meaningful way. You can argue about it all you want but I guarantee most football following Ags will feel that way for a good while.

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Doubt the Murrays are losing sleep over this type of rhetoric. This type of talk is probably fueling them to look around

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Yeah, Kevin was great and I completely support his putting "father" ahead of "aggie" but if he flips, the TIMING on this will be unforgivable. It will appear orchestrated to damage our school. Can't get around that.

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hahaha. yes, that's it. this was all a plot to damage tamu's reputation.

I could care less if a legacy plays at A&M or even our most hated rival. However, QB recruits must know that decommitting within two weeks of NSD leaves the school/coach up the creek.

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The thing is, it's not like the Murray's didn't have the expectation that he play in his true fish year back in May when he committed. He
didn't wake up two weeks ago and decide that some new criteria for him
to sign. Further, he had hypothetical competition from both Allen and
Hill at the time whereas now only from Allen.

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This.

Nothing has really changed in the situation, except that now Kyler all of a sudden has interest in tu.

Which is why a flip is really only possibility for two reasons, either there really is Murray/Sumlin heat (which BL vehemently denies) or big time offer is being made beyond being guaranteed starting QB and/or playing baseball.

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that's sumlin's fault for putting all his eggs in one basket.

what kevin's son does in no way effects kevin's legacy. such a stupid argument

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Sumlin put all his eggs in one basket due to Kyler and Kevin. If the Murrays piss all over that and A&M, and flip to tu a week before signing day, it will affect his legacy with a majority of Ags. He will be a great player who screwed the football program in a public and meaningful way. You can argue about it all you want but I guarantee most football following Ags will feel that way for a good while.

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I do agree that something must have happened for the new interest in the tu program and that people will not be happy with Kevin for "letting" his son go to tu. but, imo, that doesn't tarnish his legacy.

also, a coach should never put all his eggs in one basket based on what some 17/18 year old kid says. teams need depth and the ags really need it at the QB position. if we have a deficit at that position, it rest solely at the feet of the HC.

If he switches, things have suddenly changed from their camp. Kevin said he wanted his son to redshirt. So now the sudden change of heart the last minute? If the kid switches oh well. We have a good one on campus. But a legacy wouldn't do it like this to his school.

Because of Kyler, Aggies did not pursue another QB. He has screwed the Aggie program and Aggies everywhere if he decides to go to texas at this late date. On top of that it is to our greatest recruiting rival. He could go to any school he wants, everyone would give him a scholarship. If he goes to texas, regardless of what anyone here says, Aggies will not get over it so easily. He will have strung us out and then dumped us. Just look at the majority of the threads on this board. The s#it will hit the fan if he goes to texas.

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Because of Kyler, Aggies did not pursue another QB. He has screwed the Aggie program and Aggies everywhere if he decides to go to texas at this late date. On top of that it is to our greatest recruiting rival. He could go to any school he wants, everyone would give him a scholarship. If he goes to texas, regardless of what anyone here says, Aggies will not get over it so easily. He will have strung us out and then dumped us. Just look at the majority of the threads on this board. The s#it will hit the fan if he goes to texas.

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and, how does that change kevin's legacy? it make kyler look like a petulant child but kevin has said the whole time kyler will make his own decision.

Murray=BFD!

Too much drama. Kevin will always be the pre JFF GOAT. I actually thought he was better.

If kyler bolts I'm getting a father-son pair of voodoo dolls And some pins with barbs on Em.

Edit: I was enrolled when Kevin was QB...Kevin was outstanding...and led our team to some of our greatest wins. That said: hecubus blasphemes.

Who cares. F them both. Flipping this late in the game would be pretty damn low. Legacy or not.

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Is that better than knuckleheadery?

I wouldn't be surprised if the legacy is actually working against him. Remember, during a lot of Kyler's formative fan years, we had Fran and were a laughing stock in comparison to UT. Maybe Kyler just wants to go and do his own thing?

At the end of the day, I would love to have him; but, I'm not entirely convinced that's he is going to be an immediate star. I think Kyle Allen has the chance to be an absolute stud in this offense and we've got plenty of weapons. My big concerns are more on the OL/DL/LB impact if the state perception changes.

We're not the shiny new toy anymore, we're earning some battle scars while UT has the "turn around, change the culture w/ a new coach" messaging. UT has had arguably the worst QB play in the Big 12 since Colt left, he's got an incredibly low floor of expectations. On the other hand, we're going to be in play for every single top tier QB that Sumlin lays an eye on over the next few years. Trust in Sumlin - I'll take Sumlin and Chavis over any single recruit out there. Too many 2 & 3 star players in the NFL to weight this process too much.

Dude, stop making sense this is the knuckleheadery or blasphemes board.

Sorry, I blacked out. VOREEEEEEE

Kevin's legacy is at the bottom of my list on things that I am concerned about in my life. It falls right behind worrying about Miley Cyrus' legacy at Disney.

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We're not the shiny new toy anymore, we're earning some battle scars while UT has the "turn around, change the culture w/ a new coach"
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We are a hell of a lot more shiny than tu is now. And Kevin Murray knows tu is at least a couple of years away from fielding a competent OL. Kyler will risk injury playing behind that line next year. Only dumbasses buy the core values/turn it around crap. Up until this Murray fiasco, strong was hemorrhaging recruits. All of a sudden Kyler is interested in tu and its terrible offense, after being committed here a year. It is not because the Murrays suddenly bought tu's stupid slogans.

They have soooo many depth issues along the OL/DL it is not funny. If you want to see how those work out, see the fran years and the first couple of years of Sherman.

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It doesn't, just like it wasn't tarnished when Calvin decided to play baseball at tu.

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The "1 - traitor! 2- traitor!" chants at Olsen when he batted were awesome.

i still think Kyler ends up here but there is absolutely no doubt that if God forbid he does flip it will go down as perhaps the greatest screw job in recruiting history.

-to get Kirk to play here and bail
-to not allow us to recruit another QB and then bail last minute
-to take Mack and Lodge (and maybe Boyd) with him
-to cause an absolute PR/Momentum nightmare for this school

whatever anyone wants to say about recruiting.....yes it gets dirty..yes its slimy sometimes...yes its nerveracking but NO SCHOOL, and especially Texas A&M deserves the above unfolding. it would just be so so bad on so many levels.

We better pay up.

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Trust in Sumlin - I'll take Sumlin and Chavis over any single recruit out there. Too many 2 & 3 star players in the NFL to weight this process too much.

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I don't know how any college coach deals with this ****. They have to sell to parents that they are "molding young men" but also have to cater to this behavior? Jesus, what a joke.

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It does nothing to Kevin's legacy. He doesn't owe A&M his kid.

He obviously loves A&M - named his son after Kyle Field. But I hope he is focused on what is best for Kyler. Not what is best for A&M.

And I hope that Kyler's decision is that he wants to be an Aggie.

I don't think there is a snowballs chance on the equator that Kevin and Kyler Murray would do that to A&M.
Kyler would have decided much earlier if he was going to go to tu or anywhere else but A&M. It is going to be fun to watch him play on Kyle Field. I don't understand the going to tu thing, unless maybe it was to take Lodge and help get him to A&M.

He's just flirting. It's only natural that he'd take one last look around before taking plunge.

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I don't think anyone has a problem with Kevin allowing his kid to make a decision, including going to the aips. The problem many of us have is doing it this late in the process leaving A&M screwed. Especially after A&M avoided recruiting other QB's out of loyalty to Murray.

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Perfectly said it doesn't speak well of the people involved.

Scrub the record books to remove his stats. Retire his jersey in the urinal drains of bathrooms in New Kyle Field. Commission the incompetent **** that did yell leader and war hymn statue to make life size statue of him we can throw tomatoes at on game day. Rename the ****ter in coach Sumlins office the Kevin Murray Memorial Toilet.

Nobody under 40 has ever heard of Kevin. So I would say his legacy is pretty safe.

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Perfectly said it doesn't speak well of the people involved.

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It speaks to the fact the people involved like money, and lots of it.

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Nobody under 40 had never heard of Kevin. So I would say his legacy is pretty safe.

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I wasn't around for the Sherrill/Kevin Murray years, but if Kevin and his son pull this **** off 12 days before signing day and basically torpedo our class, he better not show his god darn face around campus from here on out. This is the sleaziest most disgusting exhibition of betrayal of one's alma mater I have ever seen in my life. And save me the bull**** about "doing what's best for the kid". Had he committed to Texas from day one, or hell, 3-4 months ago even after committing to us, I would have absolutely no problem with this. But this reeks of sabotage and petty dirty tactics that will forever tarnish the legacy of an Aggie "great".

Again, I hope this doesn't happen, and I hope we end up with Kyler, but pulling this crap with 2 weeks left until signing day is bush-league and absolutely unforgivable given the implications on our program and the long term commitment that Sumlin and the coaching staff made to the Murrays by shutting down QB recruiting.

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It does nothing to Kevin's legacy. He doesn't owe A&M his kid.

He obviously loves A&M - named his son after Kyle Field. But I hope he is focused on what is best for Kyler. Not what is best for A&M.

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#1. You're confusing legacy with ability and success. Yes he was great and yes he was a winner, but legacy is how you are perceived well after the fact. You're being dishonest if you think his legacy and how people view him will not be affected.

#2. Nobody EVER said his son had to attend A&M. I certainly didn't. Kyler was free to chose his school and we all hoped it would be A&M. What Kevin/Kyler does owe A&M, is respect. Making a commitment to the school and then changing it with a week left is not respectful on many levels. It leaves us in a QB lurch, it destroys our recruiting momentum, and may harm the university for a long time.