I know it is ancient history, but it is raining outside and I was doing some research on our football history. I don't understand why Texas A&M doesn't claim 1917, 1919, 1927 and 1939. As far as I know we only claim 1939. We have had six undefeated seasons (1917, 1919, 1927, 1939, 1956, and 1994), but it is not a reach to claim the first four. USC claims our 1939 national championship.

Out of these four years the only tie was in 1927 and a very comprehensive service basically stated it was a tie between Yale and Texas A&M for the retroactive national championship.
http://tiptop25.com/champ1927.html

1917 Football Season (8-0)
Date Opponent / Event Location Result
Fri, Oct 05 Austin College College Station, Texas W 66-0
Fri, Oct 12 Dallas Univ. College Station, Texas W 98-0
Mon, Oct 22 Southwestern College Station, Texas W 20-0
Sat, Oct 27 vs. LSU San Antonio, Texas W 27-0
Fri, Nov 02 Tulane College Station, Texas W 35-0
Sat, Nov 10 @ Baylor * Waco, Texas W 7-0
Tue, Nov 20 Texas * College Station, Texas W 7-0
Thu, Nov 29 @ Rice Houston, Texas W 10-0

1919 Football Season (10-0)
Date Opponent / Event Location Result
Fri, Oct 03 Sam Houston STC College Station, Texas W 77-0
Fri, Oct 03 San Marcos STC College Station, Texas W 28-0
Sat, Oct 11 @ SMU * Dallas, Texas W 16-0
Sat, Oct 18 Howard Payne College Station, Texas W 12-0
Fri, Oct 24 Trinity College Station, Texas W 42-0
Fri, Oct 31 Oklahoma A&M * College Station, Texas W 28-0
Sat, Nov 08 @ Baylor * Waco, Texas W 10-0
Sat, Nov 15 TCU College Station, Texas W 48-0
Thu, Nov 20 Southwestern College Station, Texas W 7-0
Thu, Nov 27 Texas * College Station, Texas W 7-0

1927 Football Season (8-0-1)
Date Opponent / Event Location Result
Sat, Sep 24 Trinity College Station, Texas W 45-0
Sat, Oct 01 Southwestern College Station, Texas W 31-0
Sat, Oct 08 vs. Sewanee Dallas, Texas W 18-0
Sat, Oct 15 Arkansas * College Station, Texas W 40-6
Sat, Oct 22 @ TCU * Fort Worth, Texas T 0-0
Fri, Oct 28 Texas Tech * College Station, Texas W 47-6
Sat, Nov 05 @ SMU * Dallas, Texas W 39-13
Fri, Nov 11 @ Rice * Houston, Texas W 14-0
Thu, Nov 24 Texas * College Station, Texas W 28-7

1939 Football Season (11-0)
Date Opponent / Event Location Result
Sat, Sep 23 @ Oklahoma A&M Stillwater, Okla. W 32-0
Sat, Sep 30 Centenary College Station, Texas W 14-0
Fri, Oct 06 @ Santa Clara Santa Clara, Calif. W 7-3
Sat, Oct 14 Villanova College Station, Texas W 33-7
Sat, Oct 21 @ TCU * Fort Worth, Texas W 20-6
Sat, Oct 28 Baylor * College Station, Texas W 20-0
Sat, Nov 04 @ Arkansas * Fayetteville, Ark. W 27-0
Sat, Nov 11 SMU (13) * College Station, Texas W 6-2
Sat, Nov 18 @ Rice * Houston, Texas W 19-0
Thu, Nov 30 Texas * College Station, Texas W 20-0
Mon, Jan 01 vs. Tulane (5) New Orleans, La. W 14-13







[This message has been edited by Old Main (edited 7/8/2012 5:45p).]

I'll take four!

I'll allow it, we now have 4, each represented by a bevel on our logo, similar to the stripes representing the original colonies. If we win won in 2012, we will add the missing bevel on the bottom of the T and so on and so on.

I've always agreed with this. Even if they were ancient we still deserved them, so why not display our full pedigree?

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1917 Football Season (8-0)
Date Opponent / Event Location Result
Fri, Oct 05 Austin College College Station, Texas W 66-0
Fri, Oct 12 Dallas Univ. College Station, Texas W 98-0
Mon, Oct 22 Southwestern College Station, Texas W 20-0
Sat, Oct 27 vs. LSU San Antonio, Texas W 27-0
Fri, Nov 02 Tulane College Station, Texas W 35-0
Sat, Nov 10 @ Baylor * Waco, Texas W 7-0
Tue, Nov 20 Texas * College Station, Texas W 7-0
Thu, Nov 29 @ Rice Houston, Texas W 10-0

1919 Football Season (10-0)
Date Opponent / Event Location Result
Fri, Oct 03 Sam Houston STC College Station, Texas W 77-0
Fri, Oct 03 San Marcos STC College Station, Texas W 28-0
Sat, Oct 11 @ SMU * Dallas, Texas W 16-0
Sat, Oct 18 Howard Payne College Station, Texas W 12-0
Fri, Oct 24 Trinity College Station, Texas W 42-0
Fri, Oct 31 Oklahoma A&M * College Station, Texas W 28-0
Sat, Nov 08 @ Baylor * Waco, Texas W 10-0
Sat, Nov 15 TCU College Station, Texas W 48-0
Thu, Nov 20 Southwestern College Station, Texas W 7-0
Thu, Nov 27 Texas * College Station, Texas W 7-0

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You'd be hard-pressed to find another team that not only went undefeated, but was unscored on... I realize that the AP poll didn't exist, but who's really going to argue with the Aggies being MNC in '17 and '19 with THOSE stats????

Totally agree. The Texas Aggies should absolutely stake claim to the national championship for each of these four years.

1917 270-0
1919 275-0
1927 262-32
1939 212-31



[This message has been edited by Old Main (edited 7/8/2012 5:22p).]

Too lazy here...and it's not raining here.

Who won the MNC those 3 years and what did their seasons look like?

Some services retroactively award the MNC to Texas A&M, others award them to other schools.

In 1927 Yale had one loss and played only one road game. Texas A&M tied TCU and it is stated that the teams in the southwest were ranked lower than they should have been.

http://tiptop25.com/champ1927.html

1927 #1: 7-1 Yale and/or 8-0-1 Texas A&M
National Co-champion: Yale or Texas A&M if the other one is alone at #1
Contenders: 9-1 Georgia and 10-0 Centenary

In 1917 and 1919 I think it is very difficult to argue against the seasons Texas A&M had. Back in those days there was definitely an east coast bias as far as newspaper coverage.

1917 270-0
1919 275-0
1927 262-32
1939 212-31

I understand that there is some controversy in retroactively awarding a national championship, but if others are naming Texas A&M why doesn't Texas A&M claim all four? The next one we win will be #5!







[This message has been edited by Old Main (edited 7/8/2012 5:34p).]

Hopefully J Cook is following this thread. Bowtie too.

Also, would be nice to hang those bad boys in our new stadium. Hell, numerous schools claim these NC's and hang them proudly. Some SEC schools too.

List all four on the new stadium!

Lastly, it's a shame not to honor those Fighting Texas Aggie teams (1917,1919,1927) and what they accomplished.

For the record 1956 and 1994 were undefeated seasons as well, but I'm not saying that we should claim these years. We were on probation in 1994.

1956 Football Season (9-0-1)
Date Opponent / Event Location Result
Sat, Sep 22 Villanova College Station, Texas W 19-0
Sat, Sep 29 @ LSU Baton Rouge, La. W 9-6
Sat, Oct 06 vs. Texas Tech Dallas, Texas W 40-7
Sat, Oct 13 @ Houston Houston, Texas T 14-14
Sat, Oct 20 TCU (4) * College Station, Texas W 7-6
Sat, Oct 27 @ Baylor (8) * Waco, Texas W 19-13
Sat, Nov 03 Arkansas * College Station, Texas W 27-0
Sat, Nov 10 @ SMU * Dallas, Texas W 33-7
Sat, Nov 17 Rice * College Station, Texas W 21-7
Thu, Nov 29 @ Texas * Austin, Texas W 34-21

1994 Football Season (10-0-1)
Date Opponent / Event Location Result/Box Score
Sat, Sep 03 @ LSU Baton Rouge, La. W 18-13
Sat, Sep 10 Oklahoma (15) College Station, Texas W 36-14
Sat, Sep 24 Southern Miss College Station, Texas W 41-17
Sat, Oct 01 Texas Tech * College Station, Texas W 23-17
Sat, Oct 08 @ Houston * Houston, Texas W 38-7
Sat, Oct 15 Baylor (17) * College Station, Texas W 41-21
Sat, Oct 22 Rice * College Station, Texas W 7-0
Sat, Oct 29 vs. SMU * San Antonio, Texas T 21-21
Sat, Nov 05 @ Texas * Austin, Texas W 34-10
Sat, Nov 12 @ Louisville Louisville, Ky. W 26-10
Sat, Nov 19 TCU * College Station, Texas W 34-17

I agree all the way. We should have a ceremony recognizing all 4 national championships.

"Texas A&M National Champions in Football 1917, 1919, 1927, 1939."

Claude os, aperi oculos!

Just claim them like Bama does. NBD

Claim them. Most of those guys left, including Coach Bible, for WWI. In '18 the War Hymn was written in the trenches of France, and team gave up only six points that year - to the sips in a 6-0 loss. Of course, Bible and most of the '17 team (including the first Mr Inside and Mr Outside) returned for the '19 season. Btw, when we beat the sips that year, we became 3-0 against them in College Station.

That '17-'19 team must be recognized more by us. Much better story than the 12th Man.

According to this:

1917 was Georgia Tech (9-0), coached by John Heisman
1919 was Harvard (9-0-1)

http://www.collegefootballpoll.com/champions_national.html

Some services say Texas A&M for those two years. I'll have to find which ones. As I stated there was definitely an east coast bias back then. How do you argue against this record?

1917 270-0
1919 275-0



[This message has been edited by Old Main (edited 7/8/2012 5:51p).]

Claim them, every other program does or would.

Recognize them .....we are not alone in believing it to be true

I concur with this! Someone start a petition!

Edit: We should definitely claim 1917 and 1919, regardless of the 1927 claim.

[This message has been edited by AEK (edited 7/8/2012 6:03p).]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/College_football_national_championships_in_NCAA_Division_I_FBS

These are the football national championships for Texas A&M according to Wikipedia.

1919 (BR, NCF)

1927 (SR)

1939 (AP, BR, BS, CFRA, DeS, DuS, HAF, HS, NCF, PS, SR, WS)

Joining the movement for us to claim our other natties. Do it Loftin, no one's gonna stop us.

Longhorn here, so take it for what it is worth, but I think that you should claim them. I think looking back at these old records is fun and part of what makes college football one of the most enjoyable sporting events.

But you should get on it. Limitations have to be about run out on these claims.

For the most comprehensive information on championships:

http://cfbdatawarehouse.com/data/div_ia/sec/texas_a&m/index.php

It's definitely us in '19. '17 has a better argument than several of those Bama, Ivy League, Notre Dame, etc championships.

Doesn't t.u. also have 4 NCs?
That would mean they are tied with us for most in the state. How do we rate all time against all programs?

^do they have any old ones that they don't "officially" claim like us?

The sips would have 11 total. The 4 they already claim, plus 1893, 95, 00, 14, 18, 20, and 23.

Many other schools claim MNC's using lesser criteria. Would be interesting to research our peers in the SEC. If it is commonplace, we ought to follow suit. To not claim them is a disservice to the coaches and players back in the day.