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ElephantRider
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JFF: 225 of 343 (.656) for 3559 yards and 44 tds (5 ints) 171 carries for 1695 yards (9.1 ypc) and 30 tds

Davis: 95 of 188 (.505) for 1519 yards and 14 tds (8 ints) 167 carries for 965 yards (5.78 ypc) and 12 tds

Yeah Johnny played 4A, but he beat Madison and Steele, and barely lost to Lake Travis twice.
Black Jack 55
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Here is a very good article on Johnny that gives his stats as well as a perspective on why he is so highly regarded:

http://www.maxpreps.com/news/ruZ4kv5AEd-XkQAcxJSkrA/johnny-manziel-is-already-a-texas-legend.htm

I'm as big a Johnny fan as anyone, but I'm also quick to say that he has some serious work to do before he can be an effective D1 QB. He has flaws in both his mechanics and his decision/progression repertoire that must be addressed if he hopes to succeed at QB. That said, if I had to lay money on one guy on this whole team who would work the hardest to improve, it would be Johnny.

Showers has shown more to date than Johnny, no question. He's done a much better job of integrating his skills into the offensive mindset of this team. That doesn't mean Johnny won't be able to contribute positively at some point. I think we just need a little more patience with a RS freshman who happens to play the most complicated and demanding position on the field. Writing him off at this point is premature. The same concept applies to Matt Davis, too.
cbarnes16
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The way I see it, Showers is the safe pick for this year, but if Johnny can get some experience and the coaches can harness his abilities to fit the system, Johnny can take us further if these things happen. Manziel has better potential than Showers, but he just needs to be molded a bit. If this happens, he could take over for Showers down the line possibly next year. That said, I feel comfortable with Showers for now because he'll play it safe, but he just doesn't have the game breaking ability.
AggieOil
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Showers has an absolute cannon for an arm. All he doesn't do that Manziel does is run around in the pocket even when it isn't collapsing and throw INT's like its going out of style.

I'm not righting JFF forever, but there is no way in hell he should start next year.

[This message has been edited by AggieOil (edited 6/20/2012 12:07p).]
rocky the dog
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I think Coaches Sumlin and Kingsbury will make that decision.
cbarnes16
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Showers does have a cannon but he rarely he uses it. He doesn't throw it downfield much and throws to the check down a lot. That's why he's a safe guy, but not a playmaker. He did take quite a few sacks in the scrimmages which worries me.
ClickClackAg31
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Showers does have a cannon but he rarely he uses it. He doesn't throw it downfield much and throws to the check down a lot. That's why he's a safe guy, but not a playmaker.


First off you dont have to throw the ball 50 yds downfield to "use" your cannon. Zip on short to immediate throws as well as throws to the far sidelines on out routes will show arm strength and definitely expose a weak arm. JFF could not make these throws in the spring game and surpisingly it seemed like he had to muscle the ball to receivers running short/immediate routes to the sideline.

Secondly, there is nothing you can use that says Showers throws to the checkdown a lot. He has thrown one pass in an actual game and then there is the Spring game. The only reason I believe he was throwing short passes most of the day was because those were in fact his first read. Our offense is going to thrive off short quick passes that bust open a la Swope's touchdowns in the spring game. Reminiscent of a Saints style offense.

The only reason why JFF was throwing the ball downfield was because the pocket broke down (possibly), he scrambles outside of the pocket, the play breaks down, and he finds a receiver who broke his route and went down field.

JFF has amazing potential and is probably in the top 5 athletes on the team. He is not QB ready though. One thing we cannot have is turnovers next year, and a smart, intelligent quarterback that can read through progressions will help us win a whole lot more than one who will most likely throw a pic for every TD. I hope JFF makes it on to the field as a QB, but he has a lot of work to do to become an effective D1 QB, especially against SEC defenses. He can longer depend on his athleticism to be successful.

Sorry for the novel...

[This message has been edited by ClickClackAg31 (edited 6/20/2012 12:38p).]
KingAgWhami
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nm

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mountainmangates
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Matt Davis is the real deal and I look for him to take over by '14. I expect to see Manziel on the field much sooner but in a different role.
The Real Maroon Blood
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Johnny Football needs to make sure he knows which team he's supposed to be throwing to...
agman08
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78 touchdowns.
Just sayin

JFF '12
NewArmyAgg
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Just keep in mind these kids have seen either no action, or in Showers' case, no meaningful action. I am consistently amazed at how fast a QB can mature once he gets into a real game where it's on his shoulders, and he starts finding out which decisions lead to which results. That's why I think Showers has it in the bag. He's not as mobile as Manziel, but still very mobile. He'a accurate, and he's had an extra year to adjust. If all he's doing are things like throwing to the check down receiver too often, that's not hard to fix.

Accuracy, on the other hand, is hard to instill in a quarterback. We NEED accuracy.
Rudyjax
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It's interesting that everyone here has decided who will start and the coaching staff has not yet decided.

If the season were to start after Spring, it would be Showers.

But it sounds like once they make the decision, the other QB wont get playing time. Hopefully in blowouts, the backups will get to run the offense and not hand the ball off.
cbarnes16
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This is a fair analysis of the 2 QBs from the Spring game that breaks down both of their strengths and weaknesses.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tynCeVDr774&list=UUJYrA2LW3EkJd9p7XPh7ABw&index=6&feature=plcp
Rudyjax
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That's good stuff. Thanks for sharing.
cbarnes16
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No problem. This shows why Showers is the guy right now, but you can see that if Johnny puts in the work he can be just as good of a passer. He's not as far behind as some people claim.
rocky the dog
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cbarnes16, thanks for the link.

I put my trust in the coaches who are paid to make
the decision. Whoever they pick to start, I will
support 100%. I'm a big fan of JFF, but if the
coaches think Showers is the better player this
fall, I will be pulling for him. Just WIN, baby!
That's what everyone wants.
NorCalAggie
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Thanks for the video link. Seeing this and hearing other feedback from the spring game, it seems Showers has the arm strength and zip to hit the deep pass and the out routes without struggling or pushing. This is something you can not coach. Either he has it or not. The areas of improvement for Showers that they are pointing out, however, are coachable. Accuracy, touch, progressions, not over throwing the out routes, etc...My two cents without seeing a regular season snap.

[This message has been edited by NorCalAggie (edited 6/20/2012 3:58p).]
AceAggie05
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This entire thread is laughable. Really, it's funny as hell! Nobody can predict which of our QB studs will excel, with absolute certainty. And while I'm not bashing your opinions, I just think it's comical how heated some of the arguements are.

This, however, made my day.

quote:
2 words weed
"Zoo"
Aggie2012thman
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HOW MANY YARDS DO YOU THINK JOHNNY FOOTBALL WILL THROW AGAINST FLORIDA?

2,000? 3,000? MORE?

OUR RECEIVERS BETTER BE IN SHAPE BECAUSE JOHNNY GUNSLINGER FOOTBALL IS GOING TO HAVE THEM RUNNING SPRINTS UP FIELD ALL DAY!
JYDog90
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Patience. I'm at least encouraged there's some football in this thread. I don't think any of us knows whats gonna happen.

I'll say this much and you can research it: there was not one fan website that ever clarmored for nor predicted Bucky Richardson as our QB.
Motel California
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Ace:

You come around these parts much?
MSL Ag
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Anyone who says Showers doesn't throw downfield didn't watch any of the scrimmages this spring. In the first one he threw three perfect balls about 40 yards downfield. Mike Evans caught one and Nate Askew caught and dropped one that should have been caught. Two TDs. And this offense runs a lot of short pass stuff to open up the deep ball anyway. I'd rather take the short passes and then take my shots, which is what Showers does.

JFF however is an amazing athlete that makes things happen when the pocket breaks down. He can make some great throws on the run or tuck it and get the first down. But he obviously needs some work with his decision making. They're both good quarterbacks, but game experience is going to be the real indicator of who is the better quarterback.
1939
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Some posters are calling out others for being obsessed with Johnny, but it those same posters that are obsessed with Mat Davis. Both are great athletes and we will just have to wait and see what happens with their development.

I have a feeling that Davis' personality, being the leader of the AggSwagg movement and all, is really biasing alot of peoples opinion of him athletically. At least JF has the HS stats and videos to somewhat back up his hype.
Doubledown 2447
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This thread has me FIRED UP! If Sumin and Kings aren't reading this someone should go get them now!
ashley
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Let me tell you what happened to Matt's decision making and mechanics. Both were outstanding as a soph. As a senior he not only had poor receivers but he literally had as bad an offensive line as you will see in 5A. He lost faith in their protection and was therefore ready to scramble the minute he got the snap in the gun. Many times I saw defenders arrive shortly after the ball.
I think his mechanics are ok and he will be fine.
He was playing the lokes of Dekaney, Klein Oak, Westfield and Collins with literally no help.
jaygold79
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Matt Davis will be lucky to see the field at any position other than slot,KR,PR. good luck with your high hopes dumb asses.

JFF will be the man after this season...........and if he isn't well just figure on the same ****ed up season's as normal.

[This message has been edited by jaygold79 (edited 6/21/2012 5:24p).]
AceAggie05
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@ Kasey

Yeah, yeah. I know the zoo gets ridiculous. This thread was just funny. And your "two words "zoo"" comment just topped the cake.
aprihoda
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Matt Damon?


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Texaggie7nine
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Interesting reading.

Bodie Broadus
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cbarnes16
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Thread FAIL
Bird Poo
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It is better to remain silent than to remove all doubt.
TexasAggiesWin
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ClickClack31

Anybody who thinks JFF is going to start this year over Showers obviously did not go to Spring game. From what I had heard on here and his stats, I couldn't wait to get him on the field.

However, at spring game I was less than impressed. His lack of arm strength (especially in comparison to Showers) was very noticeable. His release is also pretty slow. Honestly, I think he fits more into the role of "he is the best athlete on our HS team, so lets put him at QB" mentality. But when it comes down to true QB fundamentals that are necessary to compete at the next level, he just doesn't have them IMO.

His biggest plays are when he is scrambling and when the plays break down, and I am fairly certain that is not what our offense is going to revolve around. It will be a lot of quick passes out of the gun from within the pocket and Showers has the best arm on the team, not to mention accuracy.


Also, looks like KaseyKelso and NAA were so certain about JFF not being any good that they were both banned...
swc93
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Always thought Kasey and NAA were the same poster.
 
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