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Texas doesn't value it's relationship with A&M as much as you seem to think. I don't know a single Texas fan that cares about playing A&M again. And I know a ton of Texas fans.

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Again, why are you still here? Y'all don't care about playing us...fine by us. Why the need to come over here and tell us you don't care.

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Don't you think that by leaving the conference and the teams you've played for 100 years, you sort of forfeit this argument? Isn't that blatantly obvious?

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LOL. You can use that as an argument for sure. And, there are some that will buy into it.

But, if a game is worth playing for a variety of reasons (money, tradition, strength of schedule, locality, etc.), then it's worth playing. End of debate.

If you're looking to take your toys and go home, then almost any argument is sufficient, for you.

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If what you're saying is true, then you might want to question the character of the horn fans you hang out with.

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The character of the people I hang out with? Seriously? Get a grip.

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But, if a game is worth playing for a variety of reasons (money, tradition, strength of schedule, locality, etc.), then it's worth playing.

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But it's not worth playing. Not for Texas.

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If you're looking to take your toys and go home, then almost any argument is sufficient, for you.

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A&M is the one leaving the conference.

funny *****..bunch of butt hurt longhorns over here justifying why they don't need us...

this is funny.

Keep going...you guys are realllly making such a strong points.

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But it's not worth playing. Not for Texas.

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I doubt it, but I've forwarded your comments to Deloss for his perusal. My opinion is that you're angry, else why be on an A&M site late at night clinging to shreds of an unprovable argument.

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A&M is the one leaving the conference.

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Good Lord. Dense. If a game is worth playing, then it's worth playing, regardless of conference affiliation. Unless, you're looking for an easy way out.

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There is absolutely no reason for Texas to play A&M. Revenue is simply not true. Texas sells out every game. Character doesn't make sense considering A&M could have played Texas forever but they chose to leave the conference. Exposure? Not a problem at Texas. It's more fun to schedule different teams and regional matchups. Strength of schedule? Seriously? When Texas has needed BCS points, the A&M games has hurt them - 2004, 2005, 2008 - Texas won those games handily and were punished.

Texas doesn't value it's relationship with A&M as much as you seem to think. I don't know a single Texas fan that cares about playing A&M again. And I know a ton of Texas fans.

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Actually your strength of schedule is in bad bad shape. Only Oklahoma and Oklahoma State will be consistently ranked teams as will Missouri from time to time unless they bolt as well. Iowa State, Kansas, Kansas State, Baylor, Texas Tech and Rice do not a BCS National Championship spot make.

As for importing "better" national teams...USC and Notre Dame have some serious work to do before they help you in anyway short of having a highly rated TV game.

If I'm Texas, I'm pushing hard for TCU, BYU, and Houston, Boise State, any nearby quality program and getting the conference to 12 so we can have an SOS boosting championship game.

There is a very realistic chance that with a 2013 schedule of New Mexico State, BYU, Rice, Ole Miss, Iowa State, Oklahoma, Oklahoma State, Missouri (or replacement), Kansas State, Texas Tech, Baylor, Kansas, and A&M's replacement (if its not BYU), Texas could lose to Oklahoma, go undefeated and still not get a sniff for the BCS. And of that season is anything like this season...there might be a grand total of three games on Premium TV or ESPN. Its not that Texas wouldn't be on TV, its just that the LHN and FSN aren't ESPN/ABC.

If I'm Texas the A&M move doesn't panic me, but it is a cause for concern on a lot of fronts and the laissez faire attitude from Austin astounds me, especially considering UT athletics has really set the bar the past decade for forward thinking and running an athletic department.

Also Texas does not sell out every game, case in point last year. And playing down A&M teams has not hurt Texas in the BCS standings as OU/Tech/Missouri/OSU/Nebraska have generally all played us and been rewarded for their successes. Last I checked while A&M was down UT made two BCS national championship games and many other BCS games along the way.

As for your last point, that is just kinda sad man. I guess the only people Texas fans actually care about playing is Oklahoma and that game is only one day every 365 years...it would be like living every waking moment in anticipation of Christmas. Don't get me wrong I love Christmas but New Years Eve, the 4th, Halloween, and good ol' Thanksgiving are still fun as well. Even then OU was ready and probably still is ready to bounce. Hope that attitude changes, I know if I was a Texas fan I'd be really upset at losing Nebraska and A&M in a two year span (Arkansas too if you want to up that to 20 years) but I guess that attitude is why I'm not a Texas fan.

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Don't you think that by leaving the conference and the teams you've played for 100 years, you sort of forfeit this argument? Isn't that blatantly obvious?

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Considering we began playing each other before we were even IN conferences, I'd say it pretty obviously has no bearing on the situation.

You realize we began playing 1894, but the Southwest Conference wasn't formed until 1915, right?

We are going to the SEC because it's what is right for us. We wanted to go last year, in truth, factions have wanted to go for years, even before Arkansas left the SWC. When moving to a new conference, sure, you can leave some rivalries behind. But the only rivalry rooted in tradition we might be leaving behind is the Baylor game, and are you really trying to say that Baylor/A&M, or even Baylor/Texas, is a compelling match?

No other team in the conference is one we've "played for 100 years". Not Tech, and certainly not the former Big 8 schools.

No, the only real rivalry game in the state of
Texas is A&M vs. Texas. And there's no legitimate reason to end it.

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Also Texas does not sell out every game, case in point last year.

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That is incorrect. The capacity of DKR-Texas Memorial Stadium is 100,119; the game with the fewest tickets sold in 2010 was 100,142 against Iowa State.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2010_Texas_Longhorns_football_team

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We are going to the SEC because it's what is right for us.

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Texas will not be scheduling Texas A&M because it is right for Texas.

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The character of the people I hang out with? Seriously? Get a grip.

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Yes, seriously. That level of arrogance/self-delusion/bitterness isn't healthy.

Hopefully you all are just going through the stages of grief, and will get through it eventually. I'm pulling for ya, buddy.

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Texas will not be scheduling Texas A&M because it is right for Texas.

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Please qualify this statement. Texas A&M has lined out its reasons for wanting to go to the SEC clearly. I have yet to hear a compelling case for ending the Texas/A&M series from the Texas side other than "it's the right thing." Which in the real world means, "we're pissed and butthurt and can make up whatever we want to spite the mean ole Aggies."

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Texas will not be scheduling Texas A&M because it is right for Texas.

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Hey, man, if you believe that, more power to you. I honestly, and I mean really, honestly don't follow the calculus you're using to reach that determination, unless you really are afraid of playing A&M.

Or maybe you think that by refusing to play us, that will somehow diminish us as a threat to your football success? Possible.

I hope it's worth it, cause the rest of the college football universe is going to assume that Texas is either petty or cowardly.

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Texas will not be scheduling Texas A&M because it is right for Texas.

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Texas/TAMU is the 2nd most lucrative game of the year for the horns, it is also the 2nd most lucrative game the Aggies have since the Ark contract. (it used to be TAMUs #1 money-maker)

Texas throwing this game away to hurt TAMU is ridiculous dumb, but I never figured them to be smart.

So its about money and any other team sip? Wow I guess Kenny Starr was right.

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That is incorrect. The capacity of DKR-Texas Memorial Stadium is 100,119; the game with the fewest tickets sold in 2010 was 100,142 against Iowa State.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2010_Texas_Longhorns_football_team

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Opps! Sorry bout that, was judging on hearsay and what I saw on the TV last year

Why oh why Mr. Sip do you insist upon following me around, tapping me on the shoulder, insisting that you don't care about me. Go about your business; I'll go about mine. Besides, you have important home games against irrelevant mid-western teams to worry about...

Hmmm... Lessseee....
the Horns wanted to go to the PAC-10 when the SWC broke up... but were rebuffed by the state legislature, then
the Horns wanted to leave last year again for the PAC-10, but were stymied by A&M who wanted to go to the SEC, and
the Horns wanted to leave again for the PAC-12 this year but were told NO - not with the LHN...
Meanwhile, A&M said enough of this go West young man - and went back to Texas' roots - the SEC...
Now how is that A&M running away? A&M just got fed up with you 'sips trying to force us to continue to be your alter ego and do whatever you seem to think is right for "everybody" at the whim of Dodds et al...
A&M finally did what they wanted to do - and stuck with it - and that's all there is to it...
Meanwhile t.u. lost out at every turn - including even other overtures to the ACC and Big-East...
Hate to say it guys, but no one wants you - so you get to sit in your phew and smell it...

AAAAAAAAAAg - Air Force Aggie Architect & Administrator from Amarillo, Altus, Austin, Arabia, Arkansas, Africa, Seoul, & now Amman, Jordan '65, '69, '73
Behavior is a mirror in which everyone shows his image - Johann Wolfgang von Goethe

This has sips written all over it!

The LHN has already diminished tu and limited their options going forward. Eliminating the A&M game will further diminish them and return them to obscurity equivalent to or worse than the late 80's and first half of the 90's.

The strength of the SEC is changing the way teams jockey for B-CS position. 10 years ago, W-L was the most important factor. Increasingly, SOS matters. Once tu gets back to >.500 season records (another discussion for another thread), they will be competing for a B-CS berth against a lot of really strong emerging superconference teams (B1G, PAC, S-E-C! S-E-C! S-E-C!) teams with 1 and 2 losses. In the 9-whorn league, 1 loss is the kiss of death in terms of B-CS berths. Not only that, but tu will have to jump ahead of Notre Dame with their inside track on a B-CS berth. The LHN is DOA due to the disaggregation/disintermediation of network sports for blogs and streaming online content. You don't pay $16 bucks for a music album that has 2 good songs anymore. Nor will you pay a premium for the LHN with 2 good games per year. Eventually, the major networks like ESPIN will also decline to travel down this path due to financial losses of sufficient magnitude. A&M has played this round well, the whorns, not so much. This will slowly play out over the next 5 years - plenty of chances to reload on popcorn.

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"Texas will not be scheduling Texas A&M because it is right for Texas."

Please qualify this statement. Texas A&M has lined out its reasons for wanting to go to the SEC clearly. I have yet to hear a compelling case for ending the Texas/A&M series from the Texas side other than "it's the right thing." Which in the real world means, "we're pissed and butthurt and can make up whatever we want to spite the mean ole Aggies."

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I see it's still crickets from the sips on this one...

Baylor and Tech would schedule us in a heartbeat. We sell out their stadiums. UH, SMU, TCU, UNT, Rice, and UTEP would all schedule us as well. We have plenty of options to play in Texas, but none of them will build excitement like the texas game does.

If you tu fans don't want to schedule us any more, then that is up to you. The SEC will keep our schedule open for us to play you, it is up to you whether or not you are willing to play.

The arguement that we are running because we could not beat you, OU or OSU is laughable...

Your admin got the deal with ESPN for the LHN. More power to you in more ways than one. You did what you thought was right to increase the differentiation of your brand. We are moving to the SEC as the way to differentiate our brand. If you are hurt because we won't bend over and take it anymore from you, too bad. ESPN has been making a mockery of themselves by having opinion pieces on how this is so bad for us. I'm sorry, but they are so in bed with you, nothing they say except reporting actual sports matters to me any more.

So have your TV network. We'll have membership to the best college athletic conference in the country. If your administration and you are too hurt by that, so be it. We'll find someone else willing to play a good OOC game then.

I find many of your fans delusional when you say, oh, we'll replace the Aggies with ND. You really think ND is going to give up their West Coast recruiting trip for you? USC one year, Stanford the next. I don't think so.

My guess is Texas doesn't want to play A&M because they want to marginalize them and the SEC in the state of Texas.

I also suspect the rivalry will return in ten years or so if it really is dropped.

From a strength of schedule standpoint, it shouldn't be too hard to get an opponent comparable to A&M, if that's what they want.

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For years Texas played rival OU out of conference, where's your explanation for that one?

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Still waiting for a response...

We can make all the arguments we want, but they're not going to play us any more. See Arkansas: only played 3 times since they left the old SWC. Move on already.

As much as I've enjoyed the rivalry and want it to continue, I don't see how either school benefits from the game if we are both already sellling out our stadiums/season tickets as it is. UNLESS tu is able to get the game on the lhn when they have it at home, in which case it benefits them far more than us, or if the networks potential involved in telecasting the game (ESPN/CBS) push both schools hard to continue it and maintains its prime position on Thanksgiving.

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That is incorrect. The capacity of DKR-Texas Memorial Stadium is 100,119; the game with the fewest tickets sold in 2010 was 100,142 against Iowa State.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2010_Texas_Longhorns_football_team




Actually, per your own link, it was 99,799, which is not a sell out.

tu cares about $ and $ alone. The game will go on.

At the end of the day the people who really run tu don't reflect the fanbase like Dodds does. Keep the rivalry and make more $ to do it will win the day in Austin.

This is literally the worst bluff ever. Yes, were raising tuition but turning down millions of dollars cause dodds is butthurt. Not gonna happen.

Tu will use this for leverage to get more $ and the tu board will find a way to give dodds ego an out.

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We can make all the arguments we want, but they're not going to play us any more. See Arkansas: only played 3 times since they left the old SWC. Move on already.

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This

Since the collapse of the SWC Texas has played Arkansas three times with one of those times being the Cotton Bowl which was out of their control and then I think two or three games against Houston.

If history has taught us anything UT doesn't like to voluntarily schedule old SWC teams that consistently beat them...A&M won't be any different at least as long as Dodds is there.