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HAVE DAN BEEBE AND BILL POWERS BEEN DISINGENUOUS? HAS DAN BEEBE VIOLATED HIS

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nonaggieintexas
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HAVE DAN BEEBE AND BILL POWERS BEEN DISINGENUOUS? HAS DAN BEEBE VIOLATED HIS FIDUCIARY DUTY?

Austin American Statesman columnist Kirk Bohls reported on August 1, "Pac 10 aggressive commissioner Larry Scott, at last week's league media days, said expansion talks with Big 12 schools had been in the works for four months (prior to Big 12 Spring Meeting) behind the scenes, which is true. He told me that he and Texas athletic director DeLoss Dodds had initially discussed the idea over golf in the Pasadena area when the Longhorns were there in January to play Alabama for the national championship."

Further investigation has produced a message posted on March 11 on Sh****bevo.com from a Texas Law School Alum noting his conversation with Bill Powers following a dinner in Midland, Texas. "I spoke briefly with UT President Bill Powers last night at a Texas Exes event in Midland. President Powers gave a dinner speech to our local group and touched on a number of different issues that he has been facing as UT president (10% rule, Cactus Cafe, Mack's salary, etc.). One of the issues that he briefly named early in his speech was "the Big XII TV contract" but he didn't go into any detail on that subject. Nevertheless, I was intrigued. I was hoping there would be a question and answer session, but there wasn't.

After dinner, I waited for a window of opportunity and went over and shook his hand and thanked him for the speech. After some small talk about the law school (I was a student there when he was a law prof), I asked the question I was dying to ask: "So, Big 10 or Pac 10?"

He laughed and then the first thing he said was "Well, we are NOT going to the Big 10." I was expecting a very lawyerly, equivocating answer, so I was pretty surprised at his very direct and succinct answer. He then went on to say he had no desire to be flying our softball team all over the upper reaches of the midwest. Then he dropped another bombshell "Whatever we do, we aren't leaving Tech behind". He then talked about how this issue is very much a hot button topic for him right now and it's what he was referring to by referencing the "Big XII TV contract negotiations" in his speech. He then got rather vague and said that he could see some sort of large "Western" alliance of schools forming in the future, but this isn't imminent and he's not sure what will happen. That was it, we only spoke for a total of about 2 or 3 minutes."

WHY IS THIS IMPORTANT TO AGGIELAND? IT POTENTIALLY MINIMIZES EXIT FEES FROM NEBRASKA AND COLORADO BASED ON POTENTIAL DEFENSES OF ANTICIPATORY BREACH, LACK OF LIQUIDATED DAMAGES, AND BREACH OF FIDUCIARY DUTY BY THE COMMISSIONER.

Immediately prior to the Big 12 Spring Meeting, Dan Beebe was quoted on WHB 810 Radio in Kansas City saying "We're going to head into our meetings in Kansas City and I think we need to have a very frank conversation about where we're going and who's going to be on the plane when we take off."

Then on Saturday, June 5th Austin American Statesman Columnist Kirk Bohls citing two highly placed officials reported that Nebraska and Missouri have each been given a deadline of June 11 to decide to remain part of the conference.

IF TEXAS WAS NEGOTIATING WITH THE PAC 10 CONFERENCE, WHY WASN'T TEXAS GIVEN THE SAME PUBLIC ULTIMATUM AS NEBRASKA AND MISSOURI? WHY WASN'T TEXAS GIVEN THE SAME DEADLINE AS NEBRASKA AND MISSOURI? WAS TEXAS BEING GIVEN PREFERENTIAL TREATMENT BY DAN BEEBE?

Much discussion has been made of the exit fees potentially levied against Nebraska and Colorado. The Big 12 Conference bylaws speak only to liquidated damages. There very well may not be any liquidated damages because the television networks have said they plan to pay the Big 12 the same amount of money whether there are 10 teams or 12 teams in the conference. The new interesting defense twist for Nebraska and Colorado is whether Dan Beebe violated his fiduciary duty as commissioner of the conference to represent equally all members of the conference?

HOW DOES THIS AFFECT AGGIELAND? Of course all the exit fee talk plays into how much will Texas A&M receive annually from the Big 12.

Brett McMurphy senior writer for Fanhouse reported, "Big 12 Conference Commissioner Dan Beebe said during a Tuesday teleconference all it took to get his remaining league members to declare their intentions to staying in the league was a public commitment indicating so. And, oh yeah five of the programs that would have been left behind said they would guaranteed that Texas, Texas A&M, and Oklahoma would receive a greater percentage of the exit fee money that Nebraska and Colorado will be required to pay for leaving for the Big Ten and Pac 10 respectively."

On July 29 as reported in the San Antonio Express, "The Big 12 Conference promised Texas A&M $20 million annually starting in 2012-13, and the Aggies intend to collect, A&M president R. Bowen Loftin said Wednesday." " A key part of Texas A&M's decision to remain in the Big 12 earlier this summer was the commissioner's commitment that Texas A&M would receive a minimum of $20 million annually in future conference distributions."

As further reported in the Dallas Morning News on July 29, Dan Beebe said Texas A&M has nothing to worry about regarding the guarantee for at least $20 million in Big 12 revenue distribution. "The commitment to Texas A&M was made and still stands. We did not have the luxury of time during the crisis to sort out the details, but that will be addressed in the future."

WELL, THE TIME IS NOW TO SORT OUT THE DETAILS.

Commissioner Beebe, if you don't get exit payments from Nebraska and Colorado how will you pay Texas A&M $20 million annually?

It is time to contact all of the media outlets in the state as well and the Big 12 Conference office.

Call the Dallas Morning News, Houston Chronicle, San Antonio Express, Waco Tribute Herald, Lubbock Avalanche, Austin American Statesmen and tell them to ask Dan Beebe the tough questions. Tell the commissioner to produce the calculations and supporting documentation proving that he has the money to pay Texas A&M $20 million annually.

Don't rely on Dan Beebe's response "it will be addressed in the future."
Southeastern Conference
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Nice work
Nuke_Ag05
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Personally, I believe it's all a bunch of b.s. and it's just a temporary fix. This conference will be dead in the water a few years from now. That idiot commish is just stalling for time.

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Raggy09
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BaronVonAggie
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I'm wary frankly. The Big Ten is going to put its best lawyers on the case when Nebraska sues the Big 12.
Knowing how totally inept the Big 12 front office is they're going to be seriously out gunned in that court room.
Cannonball Craig III
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The sips were not given any deadlines because there are two sets of rules: one for the sips and another for everyone else.

No one should be shocked.

Tom Osborne new what he was doing.
John David Stutts
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If the foundation of their legal case is a posting on Sh****bevo.com, Nebraska and Colorado don't have a prayer.
centexag06
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Thanks..intresting reading..
Kentucky Mustangs
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JDS

actually I saw it on a Northwestern site before that (seriously)

but funny
Signel
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One big problem with your conspiracy theory... It is not against the current contract to court another conference in private or in public. It DOES go against the contract if you leave without notice (Early as well).

NU and CU have no grounds to leave in 2011. They should have put in 3 years notice like the rules say, OR they have to pay up. If 9 teams left, then it would not be necessary as that is the magic number of teams to cause the conference to dissolve.

Dr. Tom Osbourne said it best. "One school leaving a conference does not break up a conference," Osborne said. "Two schools leaving a conference does not break up a conference. Six schools leaving a conference breaks up a conference." (in reference to t.u, tt, ou, osu, and tamu/baylor).

So, if tom can have two teams leave, and the conference is obviously alive, then they are on the hook for leaving without notice... simple really.
biglebowski
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Obtaining exit money: Were not actually taking money from them, the Big 12 just isnt going to release the money that they would normally release to them. Right??
nonaggieintexas
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You are correct that the money will be withheld. However, if I were Nebraska and Colorado I would try to place some type of stay (injuntion may not be the right word in a contract dispute, since injuntion is usually the term in an equity dispute) that would prevent the Big 12 Conference from disbursing any funds until the matter of any penalities is resolved.

The Big 12 should be concerned that Texas was not just talking about leaving. But, it looks like Texas was wanting to bring other schools with them. Note the comment on Orangebloods and Sh****Bevo where a friend of Powers posted a comment as early as March 11 that he had talked to Powers and Powers said we will bring Tech with us. Powers can be deposed under oath regarding this and other comments that may come to light.

I think it is much more serious when you are trying to induce others to leave the conference with you. Where was the fairness and even playing field in only giving an ultimatum to Nebraska and Missouri? Why not give Texas an ultimatum and deadline?

Nebraska was simply looking out for its own interest in light of what they learned about Texas leaving with 5 other schools.

But, we need to get back to the Aggie's interest. Make Dan Beebe show how he will come up with $20 million. Don't let him wait until it is too late. The Big 12 Conference made a pledge to Texas A&M. If they can't reasonably show how they intend to produce on the pledge, then I think the Aggies can hop, skip and jump to the SEC without any penalty.

Additionally, when the Aggies leave the remainder of the Big 12 will implode and the conference will disolve with no exit payments from any school.
Dpbaseball1319
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SCHEDULE RELEASE DATE
Cannonball Craig III
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nonaggieintexas, please don't let up. I'm loving it.

Maybe in the future we can make you an honorary Ag.
JuliusCaesarAggie
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It was Buckley

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Skull Session
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They are not getting the exit fees, that is why they tried to flim-flam A&M into not taking the money. When A&M didn't go along they did the curley shuffle and said that A&M was going to get the extra money afterall. t.u. & o.u. do not want to give A&M a cut of thier TV revenues, no way no how! They won't stop conniving a way to keep from paying A&M their agreed on share to stay in this worthless sack of a conference.

Ishmael-Ag
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"They should have put in 3 years notice like the rules say"

This fits right in with that other rumor that we are leaving for the SEC in 2013.
sodiumacetate
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Texas and every other school in the Big XII was given the same deadline as Nebraska and Missouri. They answered it at the meetings, as did 8 other schools. Nebraska, Missouri, and CU were the only ones that didn't pledge support.

Texas only began talking to other conferences when it became clear in February that Missouri was serious about leaving if given an offer, and the Big Ten announced that they would be looking to expand.
John David Stutts
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Who else is surprised this thread hasn't been deleted?
Cannonball Craig III
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I would be surprised (and disappointed) if it was.
Bob in Houston
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quote:
WHY IS THIS IMPORTANT TO AGGIELAND? IT POTENTIALLY MINIMIZES EXIT FEES FROM NEBRASKA AND COLORADO BASED ON POTENTIAL DEFENSES OF ANTICIPATORY BREACH, LACK OF LIQUIDATED DAMAGES, AND BREACH OF FIDUCIARY DUTY BY THE COMMISSIONER.

Even if everything you posted was true, if Nebraska or Colorado didn't know about it, they couldn't anticipate a breach of contract.
Christian Pulisic FanBoy
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DO YOU HAVE TO SHOUT? I **** HEAR YOU!
FairwayAg
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Rudy, what a dumb ass post by you.

Faber College '62
Christian Pulisic FanBoy
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Yeah, I didn't even read that post.
Signel
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You just make stuff up as you go along don't you.

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Additionally, when the Aggies leave the remainder of the Big 12 will implode and the conference will dissolve with no exit payments from any school.


NOT true. if the 5 or even 6 more teams decided to leave, It is still not the 9 required to dissolve the conference. It would take Kansas and Kstate Committing to the Mountain West or something before it would be dissolved. Do you see those schools passing up on 9+ exit penalties? NO only a fool would pass up on that kind of cash.

The fact remains that NU and CU left without notice no matter who was flirting with who. They will have to fight an up hill legal battle to keep their revenue. The argument that the big12 is now financially better is moot because They have the extra cash due to NU and CU leaving.

The real question is how does CU expect to pay to leave when they don't have any money currently? Will the PAC10 pay their exit fee?

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"We haven't worked out the financial plan yet," CU chancellor Phil DiStefano said. "What we have to see is what is the penalty from the Big 12? How can we work with the Pac-10 to look at some upfront financing. There are details to be worked out that we just haven't worked out yet."


Once again, how do these schools who expect to pay a fee for leaving in 2011 (short of the required notice) going to pay? The big12 is going to hold the cash back, but is the pac12 going to front some cash for operating?

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The conference's bylaws require CU to forfeit 50 percent of its Big 12 revenue distributions for the 2010-11 and 2011-12 school years. The total amount is expected to be somewhere between $9 and $10 million.

PhiAggie
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Commissioner Beebe, if you don't get exit payments from Nebraska and Colorado how will you pay Texas A&M $20 million annually?


The schools dont pay anything. The money comes from them NOT getting paid by the Big 12.

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Call the Dallas Morning News, Houston Chronicle, San Antonio Express, Waco Tribute Herald, Lubbock Avalanche, Austin American Statesmen and tell them to ask Dan Beebe the tough questions. Tell the commissioner to produce the calculations and supporting documentation proving that he has the money to pay Texas A&M $20 million annually.

Don't rely on Dan Beebe's response "it will be addressed in the future."




Morons....he said it would be addressed in the future because contract negotiations and calculations are scheduled for October and have been for several weeks now.
MSCAg
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The schools dont pay anything. The money comes from them NOT getting paid by the Big 12.

Till a judge injunctions the money, which will be the first thing Nebraska asks for.
PhiAggie
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Why do people make crap up? Seriously...

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They are not getting the exit fees, that is why they tried to flim-flam A&M into not taking the money.


Again, those schools dont pay anything, they just dont receive their usual appropriation from the Big 12. Got it

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When A&M didn't go along they did the curley shuffle and said that A&M was going to get the extra money afterall. t.u. & o.u. do not want to give A&M a cut of thier TV revenues, no way no how!


This all started with the sips wanting to make us look bad. It was a genius PR move. It has nothing to do with tu and ou not giving up revenues. They will get their 20+ mil with their scheduled appearances and contracts. Thats why they declined money from other schools. They dont need it.

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They won't stop conniving a way to keep from paying A&M their agreed on share to stay in this worthless sack of a conference.



Beebe already knew this...so now all that remains is to get A&M up to 20 mil. There is no "conniving" and Beebe isnt trying to pull the rug out.
PhiAggie
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Till a judge injunctions the money, which will be the first thing Nebraska asks for.


Or we wont have to worry about it cause a meteor might hit the earth tomorrow and kill us all. Neither have happened yet...
Signel
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The guy needs to put his tin foil hat back on because the aliens are controlling his football thoughts.
Chalupa Batman
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nonaggieintexas
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PhilAggie,

We all know that the fees paid pursuant to an "exit fee payment" are not physcially paid by Nebraska or Colorado. We know that the funds are withheld from payments by the Big 12 Conference under its disbursement formula. (If you had read other postings you would have known that we completely understand this concept---so relax a little and know that we all didn't study linquistics at Texas Tech.)

So bottom line, please note in future postings, when we say "exit fee payment" we are talking about the withholding of funds from Nebraska and Colorado. The term exit fee payment is the term that Dan Beebe referenced when talking about fees that might be made by Nebraska and Colorado when leaving the conference.

The essence of the issue is whether the Big 12 will be able to enforce exit fee payments from Nebraska and Colorado. And, if the Big 12 is not on firm ground to enforce the exit fee payments, how does Dan Beebe show without reasonable doubt that he can fulfill his $20 million pledge to Texas A&M Univerisity annually.

I think it is appropriate for Dan Beebe to be held accountable now (not in the future) for demonstrating he will have the funds to pay Texas A&M. If he can't demonstrate and provide supporting documentation that he can honor the pledge (which Texas A&M has detrimentally relied on), then Texas A&M should revisit its move to the SEC.

Comprende PhilAggie?
kjaneway
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PhiAggie:
He isn't making stuff up.

If you've followed his postings the past couple of weeks, he takes almost all of his information from media outlets that are legit (if the AAS can be called legit).

He's piecing together what he's reading. He is a legit poster, imo.
Cannonball Craig III
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Janag, agree completely.

It was obvious to me early on that nonaggieintexas didn't just stumble out of a bar somewhere. His posts always seemed to reflect good knowledge of things and more than just a superficial analysis.

Call me a fan.
redleg82
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I don't think that the Big 12 will come up with the dough. I would be surprised if anyone sees any of that Nebraska and Colorado $$$ if they go to court.

The ultimate failure of the Big-12 to provide a contractual guarantee of $20M for A&M is IMO what A&M's desired outcome is anyway.

This gives us the pretext of making a move to the SEC which is what should have happened two months ago if things hadn't got so politically charged.

What is different now is the political climate is much more temperate. Baylor and i.t.t. have a home. Texas and OU are happy because they will be able to compete for a run at the BCS National Championship game every year in a depleted Conference and without having to play a conference championship game.

You probably noticed that Loftin's Facebook post and the subsequent story in the Chronicle about leaving for the SEC didn't evoke any dire reaction by the t.u., Baylor, or i.t.t. In fact most of the responses have been "let 'em go, good riddance".

I think A&M is just letting everyone know early and often that that's what its gonna do in a couple of years.

They will replace A&M with another school and life will go on with or without traditional rivalries.
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