As dead zip 01 and BQ89AG (and others) mentioned Jackie Sherill did this back in the mid-to-late 1980s. It was one of the few mistakes he made during his run here. If I remember he paid some lady $900 (or something like that) from his own money to make the costume. It was really awful. It actually got burned on the quad and I think the photo made the Batt. If I remember correctly I think Aggievision '88 (the old video yearbook) had some video of the burning.

I fully support Ol' Sarge and I think there should be more Ol' Sarge t-shirts for sale. Our history is so unique and Ol' Sarge captures it perfectly.













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Ol'Sarge would clearly be in favor of mutt..but then I've always been partial to one myself..

PS - how did I miss that there was another dead zip! howdy btw..



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12thManMarine: R Lee Ermey

Have him yelling at the other mascots, awesome!

He is the voice for Sarge in the new toy story 3, and he was a real life sarge. Art imitates Life.

Kentucky Mustangs, First Regiment Volunteers - Kentucky longriflemen formed in Bardstown, KY in November 1835 to fight for the Texas Revolution.

Take this guy and put him in the appropriate uniform. If no one else will wear it, I will. I've seen a picture of Jackie's attempt. The only reason it failed was because it was ****ing terrible looking. A Sparty-like mascot would work fine. Better than a dog.

I'm guessing it's because we already have a mascot

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Ol' Sarge would be great outside of the stadium, haning out with kids and representing the corps... Definitely NOT an inflatable mascot on Kyle though...

Chicks love Ms Rev... Just sayin.

No, no, NO! because it's dumbassed, dumbassed, DUMBASSED!!!! That's why hazel.

I know I'm gonna get banned for this, but what the hey:

Ol' Sarge won't fly because he's politically incorrect and not what the academics who run A&M want as a mascot.

Rev is our official mascot, however she isn't great as an athletic mascot because lets face it, a female collie is just not intimidating at all.

Therefore, my proposal is to change breeds and replace the female collie with a male german shepherd.

-Better athletic mascot
-More marketable
-Was the ORIGINAL intent of the Rev program but they couldn't afford a GS at the time
-More in tune with our military history

Maroon dawn, you're way, way, too SMART. A GS would be the PERFECT mascot for A&M, but since there have been so many stupid collies as Rev, we're f****** stuck with a "tradition" that appears to be unbreakable.

If A&M doesn't want to be like everyone else, then maybe the football program should be done away with. That would be a massive differentiator.

Or, maybe everyone should stop wearing school colors.

Or, maybe complete silence during all games.

Or, an all white football team.

I had the best Ol' Sarge shirt when i was a kid. It was one of those "Texas Longhorn Massacre" shirts with Sarge sawing off the horns on a screaming Bevo... i think it was Part 6 or 7.

I just want female cheerleaders.

Thank you.

Heck yeah..but only if there is a Tstar on his shirt.

my high school macsot: "Ranger Rick", Naaman Forest High School (Garland, Texas)

yeah, because not being like every other high school, i mean, university, is really working out for our marketing and image...

get hottie cheerleaders asap!

We should all "dress up" like Ol Sarge, but with SECede! towels hangin' out of our back pockets.

Worst idea ever. A&M is finally getting past its perception as a military focused school (even though the corp has been smaller than the frats for over a decade), and you want to make our mascot a freaking drill sergeant.

There is a reason war movies usually do poorly in the box office: a lot of civilians don't like all the military stuff. Count me in that list honestly.


Reveille is a very attractive dog. Most sane people like dogs.

In fact our dog compared to TU's steer is one of the few things that makes THEM look like hicks.

Add in the bonus that Reveille is head of the corp technically so military folks still get their fix and she really is the perfect mascot.

Long live Reveille!

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maybe war movies don't do as well because they tend to be pretty depressing.

...merely foolish.

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As a dead zip..absolutely not..

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you must be joking..

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And a drill sergeant is a box of sunshine to most folks?

This is an easy one people: of all the images associated with Texas A&M, Reveille is BY far the most accessible to the majority to the public:

Most people are familier with collies. Lassie alone makes the collie a strong brand. The breed has a built in nobility and dignity in their appearance. The concept of the dog going to classes is novel for a mascot. She has many things as a mascot that normal people can relate to.

Old sarge is a strictly military image. For those without military experience (so most of Americans), a drill sergeant is a jerk whose main job is to verbally abuse new army recuits in cliched ways. The most popular drill sergeant in popular culture (FMJ) was so abusive he caused a subordinate to kill himself. Therefore such a mascot only appeals to people who are heavy authoritarians, which at most is 30% of the population.

From a branding standpoint, Reveille is the best thing A&M has ever had. I wish I had a time machine so I could go back and replace every ugly Corp member in every TV ad produced in the 00's with a shot of Reveille.

Don't get me wrong- the military aspect of A&M IS important from a branding angle. When tied to the overall conservative culture it produces a sort of "red state" alternative to the traditional higher public education system, which gives A&M a competitive advantage for funding at the top end. Business graduates and engineering graduates make more money on average than liberal arts graduates, period. Makes for a better alum base financially.

Where the conservative/military angle DOESN'T help is in the recruiting of talented African-Americans for football. Even if you put aside facts like most African Americans who vote vote Democrat, or that the current Democrat president is an African American, the simple truth is that "rough and tumble" mentality feels positively outdated compared to the images put forth by institutions at the top of the sport.

Whether Aggies want to admit it or not, the liability in recruiting when we lean too heavy on our military lineage is there. The best mascot is a one that is a balance of military culture and civilian culture. We call this mixture "Reveille."

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Not really. Despite being an Aggie I don't really "get off" on military stuff.

I mean during my time at A&M I really appreciated corp members because they always showed up to class on time and talked very little. I knew that in any other major institution I would be trading almost everyone of those corp cadets with disruptive and half-drunk frat boys who would have diminished my education experience. I really appreciated that fact.

Plus lets be honest, without the corp our band would be like every other crappy band and that would makes all of our lives worse. I cry a little every time I hear the Noble Men of Kyle because I know that it is of quality found at no other major university.

So for me, I personally think A&M's military tie is an overall positive thing. Yet I personally don't like the entire military experience, and just my experience with hating uncover nazis shows me that I would personally have trouble conforming to nonsensical rules for an extended period of time. I did go a week without saying "tree" once on a dare from a corp friend of mine but thats my personal limit.

The "Greatest Generation" in America still holds a military culture in high regard, and in the last decade Americans developed a mental maturity that allowed them to separate those who serve from those who lead in the military. This is important because I think from a branding standpoint this means that A&M doesn't experience any real brand erosion due to the unpopular Iraq war. I don't want to say that our military tie holds no benefit- quite the contrary.

The problem is when the military aspect is pushed so hard, that to a layperson it almost seems like enrollment in the corp is a mandatory part of enrollment in the university. Every broadcast that just focuses on the corp section implies this concept to the greater public (which is why they should lose their block but that is another discussion).

Honestly more recent generations of Americans don't really find the lifestyle of a corp member to be that appealing. Recent generations are much more spoiled on high levels of material comfort, and the unpopularity of the notion of sacrificing that confort is the reason the corp enrollment numbers have run off a cliff in the last decade and a half.

The corp have their place, as does Reveille. She is the corp's "softer side," which is needed to bring modernize the corp's image into this "softer", politically correct century.

"Your freedom to be you includes my freedom to be free from you" - The Wilkow Majority

Somebody left this t-shirt at my house in college years back. It is my favorite and only Aggie t-shirt I still wear because I've never seen one like it before. Ol Sarge looks cool on t-shirts. Why don't they make them anymore?

@Poofyhairguy - Ah, I see what you're getting at. That's kool. I don't necessarily agree with you about the Corps' recruiting issues though. I was actually a CO in the Corps and theres some other issues. Interestingly, I actually agree with you on the Corps block thing for entirely different reasons though I never acted on it admittedly because I just liked where my tickets were.

poof-at least start with learning how to spell Corps correctly

We need this guy....he'll snap our team and fans into shape. I always associated Sargent Slaughter with Ol' Sarge.

Theres too many morons in Aggieland that want to give the rest of the nation a million reasons to hate us and then some. Of course we look like idiots for having idiots that think having a real mascot is stupid when everyone knows it fits. Having an ol sarge mascot would be amazing. Just like having hot ass cheerleaders on the sidelines along with the yell leaders. Just like having Bonfire again. Will it happen ever happen? Probably not. But you can point to the moron next to you that says its stupid, and thank him.

Because 90% of the school does not see the corps as a representation of A&M.

I really disagree with you MrTexasA8M: I don't think we can just snap our fingers and have hot cheerleaders.

Hot women are usually dumb. That is why a Tech hotties thread will destroy an Aggie hotties thread any day of the week.

Of the remaining hot female Texans who actually ARE smart enough to go to A&M, most would rather go to the more "popular" school that offers specialized majors in things women on average want to study- Liberal Arts and not engineering. Hence why a TU hotties thread would destroy an A&M hotties thread.

I mean, to be frank, our average prettiness per girl at A&M is way lower than most other schools in our state. That is of course quite alright- we have the prettier wives on average in the long run because an engineering degree means gold diggers. But let be honest: how many of yalls wives went to Tech/TU/Somewhereelse?

I am really afraid we couldn't stock a hot cheerleading squad year in and out. I would rather we not even try and just stick with our yell leaders.

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Actually, I have met several of the cheer leaders and they're pretty hot. (Yes, we actually do have a cheer leading squad. They participate in competitions and attend events other than football games occasionally.) That being said, I wouldn't support having cheer leaders. I like the uniqueness of having yell leaders and the tradition behind it.

Amazing how many people without AgTags pontificate on Aggie lore and traditions. IMO their opinions count for zip and should be ignored.

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Give Ol' Sarge a vuvuzela and all our problems are solved

deadzip, our so-called cheerleading (or spirit leading or whatever) squad is EXACTLY what I was thinking about when I posted.

Sure two or three are hot, but at the bottom end are girls that make a dick go soft. In order to compete on national TV with cheerleaders they need to ALL be hot, or we look bad.

So lets just stick with dudes.