I think they got the six officers in Pulaski, TN correct, other than that it is garbage.
Do you know who Lochlainn Seabrook is, and is he a legit historian?BQ78 said:
I think they got the six officers in Pulaski, TN correct, other than that it is garbage.
I may have gotten who said what wrong and all that as I am not as familiar with the players as you guys are. My point was that written history has gaps, and we are left to try to figure out the biases and motivations of why people say/write what they did after the heat of the battle.BQ78 said:
I don't think Clark was covering his butt in a letter home, that probably isn't going to do that. I only question Clark's account of what he didn't know. I have no doubt some of the men may have said Forrest ordered the killing but there is no evidence or account of that. I don't believe Forrest made an appearance during the massacre based on staff reports and that he headed to the place where his dying brother was before it was over. So Clark is probably wrong about why the killing continued but I have no doubt about the accuracy of what he actually saw, because others told similar tales.
The cover NBF's butt quote I was speaking of is the one from Caldwell. I believe it was written well after the war stating Forrest personally tried to stop the carnage; no he was already heading to his dying brother's bedside, while the carnage continued.
If he was talking about Clark and not Caldwell, than maybe we weren't agreeing.I thought by "his" in his post he was speaking of Forrest, which I believe is true for Caldwell. But if he meant Clark than I misunderstood.Quote:
could be explained by the subordinate officer covering his butt after the war.
Well said. There are often dozens or even hundreds of books on any subject, but how to decide which are credible and authoritative?BQ78 said:
I don't consider him legit, I consider Thomas DiLorenzo a better historian than him and I don't consider DiLorenzo legit on the causes of the Civil War. Both of them are spinners for the south. Seabrook is what I would call a Neo-Confederate. Think MSNBC or CNN as experts on Trump or Black Lives matter.
BQ78 said:
Brian Steel Wills is legit.
All three, as I said his version of Forrest is like believing CNN's version of BLM, probably worse than that actually.
While this is logically sound, it's also worth noting that there really wasn't much of a place for many slaves to go either. With no money and resources, and actually having only a vague idea of geography (I doubt they had maps), they couldn't exactly plan that exodus to Detroit right away. It would be years before that big outflow of Southern blacks happened.Quote:It still means something for those that it did happen to. If I was getting abused, I sure as hell wouldn't stay.Quote:Rabid Cougar said:Quote:
Is it true that all his slaves stood by him after he freed them?
It was not that uncommon for that to happen.
BQ78 mentioned earlier that NBF slaves were freed in Georgia and several of them made it all the way back to Mississippi on their own to work/live under him. That seems to be a conscious choice, rather than a necessity forced by a lack of choices.aalan94 said:While this is logically sound, it's also worth noting that there really wasn't much of a place for many slaves to go either. With no money and resources, and actually having only a vague idea of geography (I doubt they had maps), they couldn't exactly plan that exodus to Detroit right away. It would be years before that big outflow of Southern blacks happened.Quote:It still means something for those that it did happen to. If I was getting abused, I sure as hell wouldn't stay.Quote:Rabid Cougar said:Quote:
Is it true that all his slaves stood by him after he freed them?
It was not that uncommon for that to happen.
Jayhawk said:
Unfortunately also a traitor whose men were murderers.
How can one be a traitor when one never took an oath to anything? He was businessman. Never was in the U.S. Army. No loyalty oath was to be had.Jayhawk said:
Formidable military genius such as you might find once in several generations. Unfortunately also a traitor whose men were murderers. He was a man of means before the war, paid for his own regiment, his recruiting slogan was "Let's have fun and kill some Yankees!". I admired the elan. But I'm a yankee... so take my 2 cents for what its worth.
Hope we never have to fight fellow Americans again.
NBF was a true genius, in the old meaning of that term.GSPag` said:
NBF was a great General and also an even better businessman. After the the war he became a millionaire. He got investors to buy into a rail road from the Mississippi River to the Little Rock area. They had to go through the Crowley Ridge. Very daunting engineering in the day. But Arkansas had great flat land for farming and he knew that they needed transportation to markets. And he made it happen. After PGT Beauregard, Forrest is my favorite General.