I can't think of anyone that wouldn't turn this into a political discussion. I'll leave the Forum 16 stuff to those guys.

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Ambrose Burnside

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Wow, he wouldn't even make my list of 10 worst generals of the Civil War and he's in your top 5 least favorite Americans of all time, yikes.

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My actual dislike for him comes more from his time as commander of IX corps in 1863 and gen order 38. The tendency to wad the constitution up and arrest people for criticism of politicians is an ...issue.

He was an incompetent general, and a petty tyrant.... he has always stuck out as a particularly detestable figure.

Woodrow Wilson was the first name that popped in my head

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Carter pulled the rug out from under the Shaw and helped Kohmani (sp?) come back from France.

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I still remember the long gasoline lines at service stations and Carter encouraging everyone to turn their thermostats down to 65* in the winter to save energy.

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Carter pulled the rug out from under the Shaw and helped Kohmani (sp?) come back from France.

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I still remember the long gasoline lines at service stations and Carter encouraging everyone to turn their thermostats down to 65* in the winter to save energy.

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That had nothing to do with the fall of the Shah in 1979. That was due to the Arab oil embargo of 1973, which was the Arab oil states being hacked off at the U.S. for supporting Israel in the 1973 Yom Kippur War.

Not saying Carter was a good president, or even a competent one (he wasn't either). But the 1970s oil crisis didn't start on his watch.

Woodrow wilson
Fuchs and Rosenberg
Robert Hansen
Aldrich Ames
Robert walker
All current mainstream media and pretty much everyone in dc.
Bill and Hillary
'Chelsea' manning


Noshir Gowadia not sure he really qualifies.

Obama doesn't really qualify as an American but he was pres so he qualifies.

This isn't just 'politics' anymore.

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Carter pulled the rug out from under the Shaw and helped Kohmani (sp?) come back from France.

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I still remember the long gasoline lines at service stations and Carter encouraging everyone to turn their thermostats down to 65* in the winter to save energy.

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That had nothing to do with the fall of the Shah in 1979. That was due to the Arab oil embargo of 1973, which was the Arab oil states being hacked off at the U.S. for supporting Israel in the 1973 Yom Kippur War.

Not saying Carter was a good president, or even a competent one (he wasn't either). But the 1970s oil crisis didn't start on his watch.

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Didn't say it had something to do w/the Shah. If you recall there was a 2nd oil crisis in 1979. I sat in long lines waiting to put gas in my car & didn't like it. Jimmy Carter was president from 1977-1981.

oldvalleyrat for the win ! Carter said the vote in Venezuela was honest ! 19% on brokerage account !

If you go to the Carter Library there is a section where he takes full credit on releasing the hostages in Iran.

While technically true, Carter's people negotiated the deal, everyone knew that it was Reagan's upcoming inauguration that got them to the table.

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Dean Corll. Infamous Houston area serial killer. Killed two of my childhood friends.

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I commented earlier that I had never heard of this. While visiting with my dad, we were discussing my mom's family (she passed in the early 90s). One of her first cousins was a victim of Corll's.

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Dan Sickles?

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Now that's a guy who led an interesting life.

I don't think they were rogues. I do think that they were very human beings, warts and all. They did heroic acts and were flawed humans just like the Founders of this great nation. For an unvarnished and well documented reference, read H.W. Brands book Lone Star Nation.

Bull Connor

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Carter pulled the rug out from under the Shaw and helped Kohmani (sp?) come back from France.

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I still remember the long gasoline lines at service stations and Carter encouraging everyone to turn their thermostats down to 65* in the winter to save energy.

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That had nothing to do with the fall of the Shah in 1979. That was due to the Arab oil embargo of 1973, which was the Arab oil states being hacked off at the U.S. for supporting Israel in the 1973 Yom Kippur War.

Not saying Carter was a good president, or even a competent one (he wasn't either). But the 1970s oil crisis didn't start on his watch.

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Didn't say it had something to do w/the Shah. If you recall there was a 2nd oil crisis in 1979. I sat in long lines waiting to put gas in my car & didn't like it. Jimmy Carter was president from 1977-1981.

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And then you could only get FOUR gallons!

Epstein.

Taney, McCarthy,Arnold,

But just for the fun of history, I will throw out Ralph Cameron. A crooked Arizona business man who tried everything legal and illegal to own a good chunk the Grand Canyon. Had he won out, we wouldn't have that park - after it was a national park he went so far as to charge folks to go on the bright angel trail despite it being in the park because he claimed he owned it. He wanted dams, mining, pretty much anything that would have ruined the beauty of the place... As a senator he tried to have the head of parks (Mather) removed, had his brother in law installed in a key position, tied to defund appropriations for the park, and a host of other things.
Just a selfish man who could have taken one of our jewels away had he won.

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If you remember that on Carter's watch, not only did Iran get thrown into the toilet but the interest rate went crazy on loans. I had to move during his presidency and bought a new house for an interest rate that will never be matched! I was fortunate to be able to refinance before it killed me.

I am convinced that Carter takes the cake for sure! I am not saying that he did all this on purpose, he was just an idiot. Since he was president, he has made an idiot of himself time and time again. Just remember the poor folks in the embassy.

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And there was also that poor rabbit he attacked with a paddle while in a canoe.

It's easy to make a case for the mass murders and other like that to say they are the worst, but for the politicians and military leaders, it's much harder to judge from our 21st century eyes and what we know of the results their decisions lead to long term with our own built in prejudices. How many of them would go back and make different decisions now seeing the results of their actions?

I've got some candidates

Roger Eugene Fain. Dean Arnold Corll a close second. Wish y'all would move your politics to the Politics page.