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Glucose levels and caffeine

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FTACo88-FDT24dad
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Thought I would share this on the health and fitness forum just in case others find themselves or someone they know in the same situation.

I am 57, 5' 11", 165 lbs. I'm in above average physical condition for my age. I run 12-15 miles per week and also do HIIT. I'm in the gym doing weight training at least 3 days per week. I have run 6 marathons since turning 30, countless 5k and 10k runs. I've done a Tough Mudder 10K and a Spartan 10K. I also "invented" my own training torture session which I call a Tuff Tater that me and my fellow old friends do together now and then. More on that later. I don't eat super healthy but I use what I consider to be a keto lite type of diet, no potatoes, no white bread, no pasta and almost no rice. No diet drinks, very little processed carbs/sugars. I share all this as background to demonstrate my surprise when my part blood tests from my last 3 annual physicals have shown me with an A1C of 5.7 or 5.8, pre-diabetic. I have no history of diabetes in my family. I'm not overweight and until a few years ago my A1C was always below 5.5. All of a sudden, my doctor and I are scratching our heads and he's telling me I'm pre-diabetic and I'm wearing a continuous glucose monitor trying to understand how different foods effect my blood sugar. It was maddening because I couldn't get my average glucose levels to drop below 117, which is consistent with a 5.7 A1C.

So, after three months of CGM and not seeing any progress in my most recent A1C blood test, I came across a study that said there's some evidence that caffeine can impact blood glucose. I don't recall the exact mechanism for how it effects it, but I decided to do an inventory of how much caffeine I consumed daily.

I was regularly drinking 2 grande' Starbucks non-fat latte's and a Celsius. Easily around 500-600mg of caffeine daily. I thought why not just cut it out entirely and see what happens. So, I have had no caffeine since Sunday and have not done anything else differently than what I have been doing for the last 3 months. Almost immediately the average glucose level on my CGM dropped below 115 and is now hovering around 110. That's 4 days of no caffeine and a consistent drop in average glucose levels.

I'm sharing this just in case anyone else struggles with keeping their A1C levels down. If you're drinking caffeine and have high average glucose levels and A1C numbers, consider eliminating caffeine and seeing if you get the same positive effect that I am seeing.

PS - Tuff Tater is a 4 mile run as follows:

At the beginning of each mile, do:
-35 pushups;
-10 burpees
-10 squats

If possible, find a hill or parking garage or other strong incline and do 10 incline runs somewhere along the way.
MikesFamousJava
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Interesting. BTW, you might find it helpful to look into zone 2 training as a replacement for about 3-4 hours per week of your higher intensity training. You can find some good podcasts and YouTube videos on Zone 2 training effect on metabolic health…I'd search for those with Peter Attia and/or Inigo San Millan.

https://peterattiamd.com/inigosanmillan/

Edited to add a link to a great podcast episode featuring both (much of which is over my head).
True Anomaly
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Could you share the study with us?
MRB10
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Any chance it's the delivery mechanism? I'd be interested to see your results with black coffee.
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94chem
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You could also just ignore the A1C. That's a borderline #. It's a measure of how much sugar sticks to your hemoglobin. If you are in very good aerobic condition, your hemoglobin lives longer and accumulates more sugar. Your borderline A1C is likely a measure of your high fitness level. A1C is a terrible marker.
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10andBOUNCE
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Daily celcius and Starbucks drinks seem to be the problem, just from my non-expert analysis. Energy drinks are terrible for you.
RightWingConspirator
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Type 1 Diabetic with A1C of 4.5 - 4.7 for the last 18 years. I drink close to 125 mg of caffeine per day on the average. I've not seen a link with a rise in blood glucose and caffeine. Not saying it doesn't exist, but I'm fairly meticulous about my management. If it works for you, go with it.
BigOil
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When I did Atkins diet looong time ago, I had bought Dr. Atkins book and he did say that caffeine triggers an insulin response and that caffeine should also be avoided alongside the carbs…
Aggie_Boomin 21
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10andBOUNCE said:

Energy drinks are terrible for you.

Why?
10andBOUNCE
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Perhaps I should have not been so definitive, but there is ample research out there studying the potentially harmful effects of consuming habitually the combination of Caffeine+Taurine+Glucuronolactone in addition to the sugar content (usually artificial sweeteners like sucralose). Some of the other herbs/substances that are added are not sufficiently tested, especially in the way it is all combined together into one super potion.
WestTexasAg
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Quote:

I was regularly drinking 2 grande' Starbucks non-fat latte's and a Celsius. Easily around 500-600mg of caffeine daily. I thought why not just cut it out entirely and see what happens. So, I have had no caffeine since Sunday and have not done anything else differently than what I have been doing for the last 3 months. Almost immediately the average glucose level on my CGM dropped below 115 and is now hovering around 110. That's 4 days of no caffeine and a consistent drop in average glucose levels.

My guess is it had nothing to do with the caffeine, but rather the carbs you cut.
FTACo88-FDT24dad
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True Anomaly said:

Could you share the study with us?


This is one of the studies. I'll see if I can find the others. It's not conclusive, more like dorectional. But it is fairly easy to eliminate caffeine and so far, a full 8 days into it and my average glucose is 110. It was 116-117.

https://www.liebertpub.com/doi/abs/10.1089/jcr.2010.0007?journalCode=jcr#:~:text=Caffeine%20is%20known%20to%20stimulate,epinephrine%20and%20cortisol%20in%20humans.&text=Epinephrine%20and%20cortisol%20are%20known,liver%20and%20inhibiting%20insulin%20action.&text=Evidence%20from%20two%20human%20studies%20supports%20this%20hypothesis.

And of course, while searching, I came across this study which found a positive relationship with coffee consumption and a reduced risk of Type 2 diabetes.

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC6544578/

Scratching my head.

I'm going to eventually try just one Kuerig of black coffee or a single Celsius (which is sugar free and no carbs) per day and see if it has any impact.

One thing my CGM has taught me is those late night snacks, even if not sugary, definitely elevate my levels. Need to stop eating after around 7:00 pm.

Quinn
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A non-fat latte has 18-20 carbs, so as a type 1 diabetic, that would certainly cause my blood sugars to increase.
10andBOUNCE
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FTACo88-FDT24dad said:

True Anomaly said:

Could you share the study with us?
I'm going to eventually try just one Kuerig of black coffee or a single Celsius (which is sugar free and no carbs) per day and see if it has any impact.
Celsius has the artificial sweetener sucralose in it like many "sugar free" drinks (other ingredients highly suspect as well).
True Anomaly
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10andBOUNCE said:

FTACo88-FDT24dad said:

True Anomaly said:

Could you share the study with us?
I'm going to eventually try just one Kuerig of black coffee or a single Celsius (which is sugar free and no carbs) per day and see if it has any impact.
Celsius has the artificial sweetener sucralose in it like many "sugar free" drinks (other ingredients highly suspect as well).
Outside of the caffeine amount, there is nothing inherently harmful about Celsius
Aggie_Boomin 21
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10andBOUNCE said:

FTACo88-FDT24dad said:

True Anomaly said:

Could you share the study with us?
I'm going to eventually try just one Kuerig of black coffee or a single Celsius (which is sugar free and no carbs) per day and see if it has any impact.
Celsius has the artificial sweetener sucralose in it like many "sugar free" drinks (other ingredients highly suspect as well).

I didn't respond to your last post as to not derail the thread, but you keep making some substance-less claims. What evidence is there that Sucralose is bad for you?
10andBOUNCE
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https://usrtk.org/sweeteners/sucralose-emerging-science-reveals-health-risks/
True Anomaly
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10andBOUNCE said:

https://usrtk.org/sweeteners/sucralose-emerging-science-reveals-health-risks/
The WHO paper that is cited on this link is astounding to me. The data the WHO presents in their paper does not show clear evidence that artificial sweeteners cause weight gain. The data doesn't even show strong association with weight gain.

I agree that more studies should be done overall, but the bulk of the evidence presented is weak at best. They even go out of their way multiple times in the paper to explain that artificial sweeteners CAN also lead to weight loss when paired with a calorie deficit, which is evident especially in the randomized controlled trials of short duration.

To have mostly inconclusive data in your paper but make a blanket statement that we should AVOID artificial sweeteners is head-scratching. This isn't anything that would make me change my love of using diet sodas and other drinks/foods with artificial sweeteners.

If these products indeed caused weight gain as some people seem to be so scared of, then I'd be a fat ****ing dude by now
True Anomaly
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FTACo88-FDT24dad said:

True Anomaly said:

Could you share the study with us?


This is one of the studies. I'll see if I can find the others. It's not conclusive, more like dorectional. But it is fairly easy to eliminate caffeine and so far, a full 8 days into it and my average glucose is 110. It was 116-117.

https://www.liebertpub.com/doi/abs/10.1089/jcr.2010.0007?journalCode=jcr#:~:text=Caffeine%20is%20known%20to%20stimulate,epinephrine%20and%20cortisol%20in%20humans.&text=Epinephrine%20and%20cortisol%20are%20known,liver%20and%20inhibiting%20insulin%20action.&text=Evidence%20from%20two%20human%20studies%20supports%20this%20hypothesis.

And of course, while searching, I came across this study which found a positive relationship with coffee consumption and a reduced risk of Type 2 diabetes.

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC6544578/

Scratching my head.

I'm going to eventually try just one Kuerig of black coffee or a single Celsius (which is sugar free and no carbs) per day and see if it has any impact.

One thing my CGM has taught me is those late night snacks, even if not sugary, definitely elevate my levels. Need to stop eating after around 7:00 pm.


Thanks for posting this. In looking at the abstract from the first paper, it ends with this sentence: "The findings suggest that consumption of caffeinated coffee may lead to unfavourable acute effects; however, an improvement on glucose metabolism was found on long-term follow-up."

Unless the study stated clear evidence that there is a direct association with caffeine and incidence of diabetes, it wouldn't stop me from consuming caffeine.

However, if you personally find that avoiding caffeine makes it easier to stick to a long-term way of eating that doesn't promote weight gain (and thereby being your best chance to avoid type 2 diabetes), then that's cool
Aggie_Boomin 21
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10andBOUNCE said:

https://usrtk.org/sweeteners/sucralose-emerging-science-reveals-health-risks/

Wow… Does that read like an impartial source to you?

So the first claim is that sucralose causes leukemia. The study used to back this up should be thrown out the window, the FDA's acceptable daily intake of sucralose is 5 mg/kg. This is equal to 5 ppm. The lowest dosed mice in this study were receiving 500 ppm, with the highest dose receiving 16,000 ppm… so 100x - 3200x higher. For reference a Splenda packet should contain around 12 mg of sucralose. For a 150lb person to exceed the recommended 5 mg/kg they would have to consume 340 mg in a day (over 28 packets). This means to reach the 500 ppm from the lowest doses group in the study that person would have to consume 34,000 mg a day (over 2,833 packets). The 16000 ppm group would mean that person consuming 1.09 million mg (over 90,667) a day. See a problem here?

There's like 6 studies in there that talk about its affects of obesity and diabetes. I would hope you wouldn't disagree that sucralose is significantly less bad for both of those than sugar is.

Ultimately there are a lot of **** studies. Unfortunately this isn't uncommon, particularly when talking about artificial sweeteners. Something being "proven" in a study does not mean it is automatically worth something. You have to really look into it.

I recognize that I didn't go through and breakdown each of the like 20 studies linked in there, but I don't have time for that. I didn't cherry pick the one I did either though, just went with the first and what appears to be their marque claim. I would expect the others to follow a similar pattern.

This being said, my question to you was poorly worded. I don't believe sucralose is "good" for you, just that it is a healthier alternative to sugar.
10andBOUNCE
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I will never agree that something artificial (sucralose) is better for you than something natural (cane sugar).
Aggie_Boomin 21
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10andBOUNCE said:

I will never agree that something artificial (sucralose) is better for you than something natural (cane sugar).


Lol, okay dude. I like evidence based decision making, but to each their own.
True Anomaly
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10andBOUNCE said:

I will never agree that something artificial (sucralose) is better for you than something natural (cane sugar).
What's your stance on stevia?
10andBOUNCE
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I don't have any expertise other than knowing it comes from a plant and is natural. I don't have any issues and don't try to avoid it like I do artificial sweeteners. I also haven't really looked into it much either.
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