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'03ag
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think i'm gonna try a live class. the 1030 power zone.
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TraditionsPD said:

the low impact focus on your pedal stroke and improving it....big help in the long term


Was going to do a low impact ride this morning, but then the wife told me about a Kendal Toole 2000's ride that was nostalgic. Did Kendal Toole ride.


I'm starting to think I enjoy punishment.
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'03ag said:

think i'm gonna try a live class. the 1030 power zone.
interesting. not really different than an on demand class, but I can see how the on demand's can get boring after a 2 or 3 times.

I also think my power zones are too low. or maybe I just need to take a harder class. my last two 30 minute PZ rides were well below my 30 min PR.
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Ok, this got really long when I started typing it, but the "these power zone rides feel too easy, why am I not seeing PRs?" question is pretty common on the power zone pack facebook pages, so I figured I would give the long explanation for anybody who really wants to know the "why".

There is a good chance your zones are too low if you have only done one FTP test. Most people undershoot their first test by a bit because they are uncertain of what to expect out of a 20 min all out effort. If you have only tested once or it has been at least 6 weeks since your last test and you have been riding quite a bit, it would be a good idea to test again. On the other hand, if the live class was a power zone endurance class, it should feel easier than most classes and I would be pretty surprised if you managed to get a PR in one. One of the most misunderstood things about fitness training is that you don't have to kill yourself on every workout to improve, and in fact, doing so probably hinders your improvement if you are doing it more than 2-3 times per week.

Power zone classes are meant to be used as part of a broader training program (like the 8 week PZP challenges) designed to increase your overall aerobic base and lift your FTP. Sure, you could go out and do a Kendall Toole Metal ride 6 days a week and probably PR once per week by a few pelotons or whatever the units are called (kJ), but your legs are going to be trashed by day 3, and your subsequent efforts are going to be sub-optimal for training purposes because you will not have sufficient recovery to be ready to go again day after day. Professional endurance athletes use different kinds of rides for different purposes as part of their overall training program. What they are trying to accomplish overall is to get as much training in as they can, without overtraining in a way that is detrimental to their performance or risks getting them sick or injured. Recovery and lower intensity efforts are hugely important in almost every training program, and actual "race pace" efforts are fairly rare in most training programs. They will use different kinds of rides within their periods of training to work on different parts of their fitness.

For cyclist training, the first type of ride uses what are called LSD or long slow distance rides below your FTP as a large part of the training work to make the body as efficient as possible under aerobic conditions, where you are burning fat and oxygen for fuel. You want to be able to do long durations using purely aerobic energy pathways so that you save the other energy pathways for the harder efforts. The benefit of these kinds of rides is that you can do them almost every day if you want to without risking overtraining. These are equivalent to the Power Zone Endurance Rides where your entire ride is in Zones 2 and 3, with only a few brief efforts in lower zone 4, which is all below your FTP (middle of zone 4).

The second type of ride in most training plans is working on increasing FTP, and that typically involves riding above and below the FTP for moderate durations. Cyclists and triathletes will often do what are called 3x9 over/under sets. Where you ride a 9 minute interval 3 times, with 3 min recovery between intervals. Within each 9 minute interval, you go back and forth over and under your FTP. One of the most common is 2 mins at 105% FTP and 1 minute at 95% of FTP three times. Doing that work over time will push your FTP upward as your body gets used to it. These are equivalent to the Power Zone (not endurance or max, just power zone) rides, where you are doing work mainly in zones 3, 4, and 5.

The last type are various high intensity intervals. You might hear these called VO2Max intervals, sprints, Tabatas, etc. These are the short duration efforts that are almost purely anaerobic and use energy from very short acting pathways. In PZ Max classes, you may see these as efforts where you may do repeated 1 min intervals in Z5, with the last 15 secs of each interval in Zone 7 or Tabata intervals (20 sec max/10 secs recovery for 4 mins). These are going to increase your short duration peak power for hard efforts, like short climbs, finish sprints, etc. The max efforts within a ride are typically spread out with longer than normal recovery in between because you want to make each one as effective as possible and don't want lingering effects from the previous effort to hamper how hard you go on the next one. These kinds of rides will be fairly rare in most training programs, maybe 1-2 a week at most, although there may be one or two weeks here and there where you do more, followed usually by a week or two of easier recovery efforts.

For sprinters or other types of athletes, the mix of workouts will be quite a bit different, but for endurance athletes, they will spend a lot of their time doing workouts well below their personal best. So when people ask why they are not seeing PRs in their power zone classes, the simple answer (that I just blathered on for 6 paragraphs about) is that the classes are not designed to achieve PRs and your fitness is better served by not trying to go for a PR on every workout. What is really fun though is to do a Kendall Metal ride, then do an 8 week power zone challenge, then do that Kendall Metal ride again and watch how much higher the PR you set will be.

TL;DR If you are new to PZ, your zones may be too low, but power zone classes should feel easier in most cases and you shouldn't expect to PR in them.
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Yeah I probably shouldn't have even mentioned the PR. It's not that I expect to PR, it's that my output has been WELL below my PR. 170s vs 240. That seemed a bit off to me.

I have a heavy running background and the training philosophies aren't that different. We do LSDs, intervals, tempo runs. All very different and meant to improve different things. Tempo runs are my favorite.

So I feel like I have a good handle on what they mean when they're talking about the different intensities and what they should feel like. And that's really the root why I said that. Today when we're doing 4 minutes in zone 3 it didn't feel like I would expect based their descriptions of the effort. But I'll stick with it for a couple of weeks before I retake.
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'03ag said:

Yeah I probably shouldn't have even mentioned the PR. It's not that I expect to PR, it's that my output has been WELL below my PR. 170s vs 240. That seemed a bit off to me.

I have a heavy running background and the training philosophies aren't that different. We do LSDs, intervals, tempo runs. All very different and meant to improve different things. Tempo runs are my favorite.

So I feel like I have a good handle on what they mean when they're talking about the different intensities and what they should feel like. And that's really the root why I said that. Today when we're doing 4 minutes in zone 3 it didn't feel like I would expect based their descriptions of the effort. But I'll stick with it for a couple of weeks before I retake.
Yeah, with that information, I would suspect your zones are probably on the low side, or you just had a great day and had good legs. If it keeps feeling that way over the next week or two, I would probably retest.
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I should have tested sooner, but did my ftp re-test tonight after 2 months of pz training. 20% increase. I'm going to hate myself for that for a while. My first ftp was 129 on 11/12/2020, then 147 on 12/10/2020, and 176 tonight. I love pz training.
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To the poster asking about instructors, Matt Wilpers and Olivia Amato my faves. Emma Lovewell is good also. Olivia has a really good Guns n Roses ride if you are a fan.
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Those of you wanting a challenge should try the 45 minute Ally Love tabata ride. #firebreathingdragon
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Finally did a know impact. Feels good man
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Great hiit and hills ride this morning from Leanne. Absolutely brutal but she's so happy you can't help but enjoy it.
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98Ag99Grad said:

Those of you wanting a challenge should try the 45 minute Ally Love tabata ride. #firebreathingdragon
That's a hard pass, I'm in no way shape or form ready for that
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Like being tortured by one of the spice girls...
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txags92 said:

Like being tortured by one of the spice girls...
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Guitarsoup said:

txags92 said:

Like being tortured by one of the spice girls...

Blue parachute for you sir
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I did AT's most recent 45 minute club bangers ride after my lift last night. Holy **** batman. For some reason it doesn't matter how in shape I feel, when I move above 20/30 minute rides and get into a 45 minute it is brutal. Felt really good to get a new 45 minute PR last night though.
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Nice job on the PR! It's looking like I'm taking on Ally's 45 minute tabata ride this afternoon and I imagine I'll feel the same way you did.
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Good luck! Ally is a beast.
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txags92 said:

Like being tortured by one of the spice girls...


I didn't understand this comment until about 15 minutes into my workout this morning. It gave me a good laugh and I had to come back and comment on it
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bthotugigem05 said:

Nice job on the PR! It's looking like I'm taking on Ally's 45 minute tabata ride this afternoon and I imagine I'll feel the same way you did.


How could someone normally so nice and encouraging do that ride to people? I mean I got a PR and all but oof size large
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tried to warn ya! Those 20 minute Tabata's are just right for getting your heart going and a good sweat. the 45 minute is downright nasty.
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Not sure this is the right thread for this but curious if anyone has some feedback and I'm just gonna pretend this thread is exercise bikes generally vs. pure peleton.

I have a Schwinn IC4 but don't really use any apps right now. I'm trying to build up some cardio and endurance foundation for mountain biking this summer. For longer rides where I'm trying to get volume in, after a warmup I'll set the resistance to 50, which is comparable to 50 at peleton, and then pedal at 75rpm or so (it says 25mph, but who knows if that's a crock) for an hour.

Dunno how many of you mountain bike as well, but for those that do, would you figure that would be enough resistance to build legitimate endurance for mountain biking? I ask this recognizing that it's not an absolute answer, but some anecdotal comments would be appreciated. Cheers!
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Honestly, if you are trying to build endurance for anything and don't have access to a power meter, I would use HR as your training metric instead. Try to ride long duration intervals somewhere around 75-80% of your max HR. And if I were training for mountain biking, I would throw in some intervals instead of just long steady resistance rides.
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Yeah fair enough. I do some longer rides just for pure volume (1-2/week) and shorter rides with more intervals built in, but I find longer ride interval training to be kinda tedious since I am manually managing it. Thanks for the comments on the HR, I do track that on my fitbit and that's probably directionally correct.
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I was looking at the IC4 before my purchase. If you're wanting to do classes that use peloton numbers, there is charts out there that do the conversion for you.
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Have you been mountain biking before?

Like txags92 said, I would definitely get a good dose of intervals in. In my experience mountain biking requires more short bursts. Especially in Texas where there's very little sustained climbing anywhere. Are you TX?

I highly recommend using one of these apps to guide your workout. I couldn't ride indoors without it.
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NoHo Hank said:

Not sure this is the right thread for this but curious if anyone has some feedback and I'm just gonna pretend this thread is exercise bikes generally vs. pure peleton.

I have a Schwinn IC4 but don't really use any apps right now. I'm trying to build up some cardio and endurance foundation for mountain biking this summer. For longer rides where I'm trying to get volume in, after a warmup I'll set the resistance to 50, which is comparable to 50 at peleton, and then pedal at 75rpm or so (it says 25mph, but who knows if that's a crock) for an hour.

Dunno how many of you mountain bike as well, but for those that do, would you figure that would be enough resistance to build legitimate endurance for mountain biking? I ask this recognizing that it's not an absolute answer, but some anecdotal comments would be appreciated. Cheers!
I had the same setup before I switched to the Peloton and loved it. I used an iPad with the IC4 and paid the $12.99 for a Peloton membership. I will say that the resistance comparison chart I was using was pretty spot on. The only thing that drove me crazy was not getting any advanced metrics.
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Has anyone tried any rides with Irene? A lot (most) of her classes are in German, but I'm really liking her a lot. I know just enough to get by. I can hear the numbers at least, and with captions its easy to follow along.

I've noticed she's super bubbly, but then randomly throws in some super intense sterotypically German attitude ("You will not quit on me, I dont allow it!")

I don't experiment with different instructors too much. Dennis, Wilpers, and MAYBE Jenn Sherman from time to time, but I'm learning German and wanted to see how well I could follow along. I ended really pleasantly surprised with how much I liked her style.
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Took two days off then set a PR being tortured by the Spice Girl by 35 Pelotons
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Nice job
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txags92 said:

Nitro Power said:

bthotugigem05 said:

The challenge completely burned me out on power zone rides, I'm sitting this one out and enjoying some of the other rides with some PZE mixed in


I hear ya, but she did away with the extra credit stuff. You still have the AR, but that is an easier 30 minute ride that is easy to tack on.
Yeah, I agree that it is better without the extra credit rides. However, I would prefer to see a single rider's choice extra credit ride instead of the "accelerator" ride. It used to be nuts being on a "3 ride" team and having them constantly hammering on you to get all 6 rides completed for the week to get the team max points.


Agreed. My wife and I are on a 3 ride team for her first challenge, and I'm glad this is her first experience. My last couple challenges, I was on 4 ride teams, doing 7 rides/week. Which I didn't mind, because I'm crazy enough to enjoy it, but I don't think she would have lol.

Side note--ever since increasing my FTP, I absolutely *hate* the builds during warmups lol. I'm fine once the work starts, but man...the first minute or two of Z3-Z6 is brutal for ya boi!
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Just finished Leanne's 30 minute rock ride from this morning and heard a shout-out for a "Texas AM Aggie Amy" or something similar. Cheers if that's one of y'all!
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My wife heard this and was stoked. The power has stayed on long enough for us both to get rides in during snow-megeddon
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The Milkman said:

Just finished Leanne's 30 minute rock ride from this morning and heard a shout-out for a "Texas AM Aggie Amy" or something similar. Cheers if that's one of y'all!


Completing a ride right now in Texas is a bit of a humble brag.
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Being in the same city where there are those without power for 24+ hours makes me feel guilty.
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