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I always assume they are riding a minimum of one zone lower.

I took that ride back in October. I'll have to retake it, I don't remember much about it.
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Nitro Power said:

Wilpers PZMax from 09.02.20 was awful. Might be the hardest ride I have taken to date (not including FTP test). I did top 1000kJ (1044 kJ) output in a 15 second burst at the end though.

As a side note, I always find it interesting they are able to speak during those rides. I struggle to even find my breath.
That ride was brutal. I knew it would be bad going in, but the first two intervals were killer. When Z3 and Z4 are your "recovery" from the pop-ups, you know it's going to be bad. The Z7 hits burned, but they're so short, you don't get to focus on how much it sucks the way you do on the earlier intervals.

I seem to remember seeing somewhere that someone had found either Matt or Dennis on Strava and tied one of their entries to a class they were coaching and found that they mostly stay in Z1 or Z2 when they're coaching. If you think about it, it makes sense. Even by their own explanations, when you're in the higher zones you should only be able to speak in 1-2 word bursts, if at all, and they're usually talking in complete sentences, telling stories, etc.

So they're either superhuman, or they're just not riding at the zones they're calling out.
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mrsbeer05 said:

I always assume they are riding a minimum of one zone lower.

I took that ride back in October. I'll have to retake it, I don't remember much about it.
I can't speak for the peloton instructors, but I will say that talking your way through a class is a learned skill. When I am leading a class, I won't ask them to do anything I am not doing. You pick and choose when to talk and when to breathe. My HR is typically about 5-7 BPM higher for the same workout when I am leading the class because I am talking instead of breathing. I suspect maybe they ride at the bottom part of the zone they are asking for instead of the middle to top. But I doubt they are going a full zone easier. In my opinion, it would be pretty obvious if they were doing that.
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During the class I mentioned earlier, if Wilpers wasn't in at least Z6 at the end, then he was sure a good actor.
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My Peloton is delivered in exactly one week (hopefully!) Woohoo!
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yep... folded and got one...

got shoes for me & the wife... we'll see how it goes

edit... and i did this despite friends telling me to get wahoo...
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Not sure if any of you have a Chase Sapphire Reserve, but if you do, they're doing up to $120 in subscription credit through 12/2021, so if you're like me and have the regular monthly subscription, it's almost getting a full year free.

I think they have something similar for the Preferred card.
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nashvilleaggie11 said:

My Peloton is delivered in exactly one week (hopefully!) Woohoo!


Thats awesome. Mine is supposed to be here a week from Monday... but I've been rescheduled once already. Getting nervous it'll happen again. Let us know when you get it so we know they're still being delivered! Lol
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I think I'm going to jump on this whole Power Zone thing at the end of next week. How do I get started? Is there a entry test to determine your zones or do I just take a class?
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FightnFarmerUSMC said:

I think I'm going to jump on this whole Power Zone thing at the end of next week. How do I get started? Is there a entry test to determine your zones or do I just take a class?
It's best to do the FTP test so you have a baseline. Don't overthink it too much or anything, do the 10 minute FTP warm up immediately followed by the 20 minute FTP test. After the test your score will be calculated and you'll be able to see your power zones on a bar at the bottom of the screen on future rides.
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FightnFarmerUSMC said:

I think I'm going to jump on this whole Power Zone thing at the end of next week. How do I get started? Is there a entry test to determine your zones or do I just take a class?
There is a "Discover your power zones" program you can take that is several weeks long. If you are brand new to riding or training, it would be good to do the whole thing. If you have ridden plenty and just want to understand the zones and the training, take the introduction class and then a day or two later, take the FTP warmup and FTP test classes.
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txags92 said:

FightnFarmerUSMC said:

I think I'm going to jump on this whole Power Zone thing at the end of next week. How do I get started? Is there a entry test to determine your zones or do I just take a class?
There is a "Discover your power zones" program you can take that is several weeks long. If you are brand new to riding or training, it would be good to do the whole thing. If you have ridden plenty and just want to understand the zones and the training, take the introduction class and then a day or two later, take the FTP warmup and FTP test classes.
This. I wouldn't take your FTP test as your first PZ ride. Do a few PZ endurance rides so you can listen to Matt and the other instructors explain how the different zones should feel. The Discover Your Power Zones program would be a great place to start. If you've been riding/training, do a few of those and then jump on the FTP test so you can get your actual zones established.

Be prepared for your first FTP number to be lower than you expect. Pretty much everyone sucks on their first one because you don't really know what you're getting yourself into. Once your zones are established, start doing some PZ rides (again the Discover your PZs program is a good place). If you do that full program, you'll get a re-test in the second week of January, and if you like it, you can sign-up for the next Power Zone Pack challenge that starts January 18th.
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How does one sign up for the power zone pack challenge?
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Go to Powerzonepack.com and all the info is there. Signups for the 8-week winter challenge are now open. The challenge itself starts Jan. 18. It's free to create an account and do the challenges, but the have a subscription available if you want access to all the data metrics they offer.
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Nitro Power said:

Wilpers PZMax from 09.02.20 was awful. Might be the hardest ride I have taken to date (not including FTP test). I did top 1000kJ (1044 kJ) output in a 15 second burst at the end though.

As a side note, I always find it interesting they are able to speak during those rides. I struggle to even find my breath.


I might need to try that ride after this challenge is over. Finally set a new 60 minute PR with MW's ride from 5/25/19, but I did it without really trying to (although I did take all my recoveries in Z2 like he gave us the option to). Only hit 960 kj for the PR (prev. was 954 kj) -- I wonder if I can crack 1,000 on a 60 min PZ Max ride nowadays if I shoot for it at the outset.
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Noticed they grey out your numbers during the arm sections now. Freezes your output too so the cheaters skip the arms section and blow up the leaderboard I guess.
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makes sense
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YellAg2004 said:

Go to Powerzonepack.com and all the info is there. Signups for the 8-week winter challenge are now open. The challenge itself starts Jan. 18. It's free to create an account and do the challenges, but the have a subscription available if you want access to all the data metrics they offer.


Thanks for the info. What's the benefit of the additional metrics? I'm definitely not any kind of competitive cyclist, just trying to get into shape, and the challenges seem like a good way to structure the workouts for each week. Happy to pay for the service if I'd benefit from it.
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From their website:

Whether you just want to participate in the community aspect of our (always) FREE famous Challenges, or are looking to drill down into your performance, there's a PZP plan for you!

The Standard Plan (FREE)
Our entry level plan provides exceptional value at everyone's favorite price (FREE!) All members have access to the following standard features by default:
  • Ride Sync
  • Basic Charts
  • Challenge Checklists
  • FTP Tracking

The Premium Plan ($70/year)
For those that want extra insight into their PZ training, the Premium Plan includes the following:
  • All Standard Features plus:
  • Searchable PZ Ride Libary
  • Power/Weight Tracking (New!)
  • Annual Distance Tracker + Odometer
  • Ride Compare Overlays
  • Power Profile
  • Training Stress Score (TSS), Normalized Power (NP) & Intensity Factor (IF) Calculations
  • Historical TSS Performance by Week
  • Power Zone "Target Blue Line"
  • Challenge Ride Profile Previews
  • Output Trend Tracking
  • Personal Record Tracking


The additional metrics are nice, but I also consider part of my subscription to be throwing them some $$ for putting together all the challenges. Yes, they are free, but they are high quality and really take all the thinking/guess work out of it (something I struggle with). I can wake up and not have to think about anything other than getting my butt to the saddle. No paralysis by analysis on what ride I'm doing each day.
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Awesome, thank you. What you mentioned at the end is particularly helpful. The metrics are handy, but you really subscribe as a show of appreciation. I'll give the free membership a go, and I'll probably end up doing the same thing.
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Anyone have a special interest team they recommend and/or signing up for 4 rides per week? Would be cool to be in a group with a fellow TexAgs rider. My leaderboard name is BQRyno.
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I'm on a non-competitive team that's 3 rides/week, but that's really 4/week (3 core + 1 accelerator). It's 3-93 and there at least 2 of us TexAgs riders there. Join us if you're not jockeying to win or need more rides.

Normally 3 rides/week is 6 rides/week but this upcoming challenge it's just 4.
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BQRyno said:

Anyone have a special interest team they recommend and/or signing up for 4 rides per week? Would be cool to be in a group with a fellow TexAgs rider. My leaderboard name is BQRyno.


I'd recommend riding with team 4-3 (Nitro Powered's group--we're currently team #ZonewardBound). I've done my first two challenges with them and it's been fantastic. Only reason I'm not re-upping for the next one is my wife wants to do her first PZ challenge (finally talked her into it), but she can only commit to 3 rides/week, not 4, so I'm moonlighting with her group. Sigh.

ETA: My username is TbirdTrey, btw. Wife's is kissedbyarose.
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I really need to do another FTP test but am dreading it. I just averaged my FTP on a 45 minute PZ endurance ride. It's crazy the amount of improvement you can see on your average output in just a single month doing power zone rides, especially first starting out.

In the last three months since starting doing primarily power zone rides my typical average ouput has gone from 170 to 190 to 200 and now I'm at 220.
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I'm dreading it too but only because I know my FTP will go down. It's amazing how fast you lose it doing the more basic rides. I did about 8 challenges in a row and saw my FTP go through the roof. Now I struggle to stay in the zones at all on PZ rides.

I'll probably do the challenge in January to jump back in.
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I'm re-doing my FTP on Thursday morning. Probably 6am (central) if anyone wants to join in the pain.
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Did the Matty Maggiacomo 30min Holiday run and it was a blast. Mara Thona made another appearance and it's just a fun class when you need a smile.
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What's everyone's FTP strategy?

I made two mistakes tonight, the first one obviously going out too hard. Second is something has been feeling off with my riding position lately where I basically felt everything in my hamstrings. I've nudged the seat forward a bit and dropped the saddle a quarter inch or so, and that felt a bit more comfortable.
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This is the strategy I use....from a post on PZ Pack FB page. I do set my target (usually somewhere in zone 4) and try to sustain and increase a little each time I'm prompted.

FTP TEST STRATEGY

Several questions & messages about this, so let's take a look.

*First, I am not a Peloton instructor, nor do I play one on TV.*. There may be other thoughts on this subject, and that's fine. I will attempt to clearly explain each aspect of each suggestion and back it up with science and common sense.

I've written several posts in the past about FTP. They may serve as a primer for this "summary". I apologize in advance for this one being lengthy, but I'd like to provide a clear framework for the discussion (and I have the day off from work).

REALISTIC EXPECTATIONS

How is my current fitness really? How much do I currently know about my athletic performance capabilities? How experienced of a cyclist am I?

An honest assessment of our personal situation as we enter the process of Power Zone training will help us to gauge where we start, how fast we can improve, and give us a glimpse of short&long-term goals.

We must be reasonable with ourselves as we look forward, shaping our expectations according to our "profile". Especially with short-term goals, we must be careful to avoid setting ourselves up for disappointment. That said, of course we want to crush this!

THE HARSH TRUTH OF MATH

The FTP Test assesses the AVERAGE OUTPUT we can produce for the 20 minute duration of the test. The original version of the FTP Test used a 60-minute duration to assess average output over the full hour. Since most riders hate the 20 minute test, you can imagine how popular the full hour test was; thus the development of the 20 minute version. Since FTP represents the wattage one can sustain for an hour, 5% is deducted from the value obtained in the 20 minute test to produce your "FTP".

There are many factors involved in cycling performance for the 20-minute test. We'll look at some, but first let's dig into how the mathematical calculations of FTP can help us form a smart strategy.

EXAMPLE:

I want to raise my FTP to 200. To do this, I must average 211 watts output over the 20 minute test duration. (211 - 5% = 200.5). You can do this math to determine the needed average output (YOUR TARGET) for any FTP score you wish to achieve.

Where the math affects HOW you ride the test: if you spend one minute riding at 10 watts BELOW your target, you must spend a minute riding at 10 watts ABOVE your target to maintain your average! So, it's important to choose a target and try to stay as close as possible to it as we ride the test. Here's why:

As we exert ourselves, our muscles produce metabolic waste: lactate. Our bodies have built-in mechanisms to "buffer" (nullify) that lactate, and these mechanisms have limits to how much lactate they can handle at a time. When we produce more lactate than our body can buffer, we experience the "burn" and increasing fatigue that we've all felt. (Zone 6 or 7, anyone?). While we can keep going for a little while when accumulating lactate, we will eventually have to slow down or stop while our body tries to catch up. There is a "balance point" where we are working just hard enough to produce exactly the same amount of lactate that our body can clear; the LACTATE THRESHOLD. Our FTP is close to this balance point.

Now, as we ride the test, we can see the value of not riding too easy (capable of more without massive fatigue) and not riding too hard (lactate build-up too large, we "blow up"). The idea is to ride right along that line (Matt Wilpers always talks about the tightrope) so we maximize our sustainable output without blowing up.

While there have been many examples of riders performing the FTP Test as a series of high/low intervals, etc, these methods may not provide a result that honors the intent of the test: estimating the output one can sustain for an HOUR. In a 20 minute version, it's easier to vary from a steady-state riding plan than it is to do it for an hour.

So, what do we do?

1. Choose your TARGET. (average output that will produce your desired FTP score).

2. When starting the FTP Test ride, get up to that TARGET a few seconds BEFORE the click timer hits "0" to start the ride! This will prevent any low start-up output from being calculated into your score.

3. HOLD your TARGET output through the first 10-12 minutes and see how you're feeling.

4. If you set your TARGET too high, you'll know it right about the 10-12 minute mark (unless you set it way too high!). If you set it too low, you'll be able to increase your wattage without feeling like you'll die instantly. If you set it correctly, you'll be uncomfortable but be able to maintain that pace. (Mental toughness!!)

5. If you have anything extra left, the last minute or two is when to go for it. Not too early, because you don't want to blow up with time remaining!

The ideal FTP TEST is a virtually flat line with a final push at the end.

The instructors, in my opinion, coach the FTP Test in 5-minute blocks to prevent beginners from starting out too hard (early blow-ups are demoralizing) or from underachieving (not going hard enough).

As we get more familiar with our personal athletic abilities, we can be more accurate with these plans! Remember how often the coaches talk about mental focus! To become successful athletes, we must strengthen our brains to control this massive motor we're building!

Good luck, I hope this put a lot of it in one place.

#RBFC
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thank you for sharing this! I always feel like I underperform in my FTPs, so this is really helpful for planning my ride!
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Thanks for the post. Any advice on how to pick a target?
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I bombed my test today, will try again tomorrow.
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Sucks. Glad I'm not the only one though
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YellAg2004 said:

Thanks for the post. Any advice on how to pick a target?
See what your highest average output was on any other ride. Decide if you want to beat it, meet it, or drop it a little.
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I bombed too. I'm going to do a ramp test. I liked doing those way better when I used trainerroad.

Do warm up
Start at 100watts or something easy for you
Increase by 20watts every minute until you can't keep going
Ftp is 75% of best minute
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