when is it a lemon?!

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Three months ago I bought my wife a brand new 2026 platinum expedition. Four weeks ago it started honking randomly. Sometimes soft and other times loud. Sometimes for a second and others for minutes at a time. Driving. Or sitting in my driveway.

Take it to the dealership and a week later, they say it's fixed. I pick it up Friday the 18th right before service closed. I'm less than half a mile from the dealership when it starts again. I filmed it so I could show them. I drop it back off the 19th and go in today because they say it was fixed. I pull out of the dealership and haven't even driven past the edge of their property when it did it again. I turned around and grabbed the service manager and he rode with me and observed it happening multiple times. He got the shop manager and he saw it as well.

True or not, one of the service department folks told my wife that an electrical "glitch" in the steering column could result in the airbag deploying or other mechanical problems. So - in her mind it's not safe.

I don't think it's a lemon yet- but anyone ever experienced this? Recommendations on how to handle?
Martin Q. Blank
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Let airbag deploy...collect $$$.
cgh1999
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Martin Q. Blank said:

Let airbag deploy...collect $$$.

I think that's why my wife wants me to drive it. We have a TON more life insurance on me than her.
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One more trip then lemon time. Have them put the 'the airbag could deploy' in writing and you're golden.
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It blows my mind how we can't track down issues like this with 348,764 sensors and data loggers built directly into the vehicle.

A live log should pinpoint this issue quickly.
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Ask them to put you in contact with the ford buyback program. Paid 100 percent of purchase price, including tax, warranty, etc.
Less a very small deduction for mileage when the issue was First Reported. Lemons exist so move on.

And get a 2027 replacement which will not have the aggravating start/ stop bs.
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Airbag and full assembly (including clock spring) were replaced. Picked up the car Saturday.

Drove fine all weekend, but had two small honking issues today. Will be trying to catch it on video for further evidence, but I've already alerted the ford customer service team. We will see what happens next.
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Have you done anything to piss off James May?
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Sometimes horns have a mind of their own
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cgh1999 said:

Martin Q. Blank said:

Let airbag deploy...collect $$$.

I think that's why my wife wants me to drive it. We have a TON more life insurance on me than her.


Ever been hit by an airbag?
1) she's prettier than you
2) might be smarter than you

My thoughts... one random honk could be a short. Honking says module or other issue going been to the ECU where the non-manually activated horn originates.

Any other issues proceeding the him? It's running and driving, but something is tripping the security
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Sweet Kitten Feet said:

Sometimes horns have a mind of their own


When I was a young punk I punched my gfs steering wheel while listening to music and her horn would start honking randomly in the middle of the night after that. God she hated me for that.
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Sweet Kitten Feet said:

Sometimes horns have a mind of their own

When it gets hot under the hood they can get a little horny.
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javajaws said:

Sweet Kitten Feet said:

Sometimes horns have a mind of their own

When it gets hot under the hood they can get a little horny.


I come here for refuge from the football crap.
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cgh1999 said:

Airbag and full assembly (including clock spring) were replaced. Picked up the car Saturday.

Drove fine all weekend, but had two small honking issues today. Will be trying to catch it on video for further evidence, but I've already alerted the ford customer service team. We will see what happens next.


I hate this for you but I can't stop laughing at the ........but had two small honking issues today.
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cgh1999 said:

Three months ago I bought my wife a brand new 2026 platinum expedition. Four weeks ago it started honking randomly. Sometimes soft and other times loud. Sometimes for a second and others for minutes at a time. Driving. Or sitting in my driveway.

Take it to the dealership and a week later, they say it's fixed. I pick it up Friday the 18th right before service closed. I'm less than half a mile from the dealership when it starts again. I filmed it so I could show them. I drop it back off the 19th and go in today because they say it was fixed. I pull out of the dealership and haven't even driven past the edge of their property when it did it again. I turned around and grabbed the service manager and he rode with me and observed it happening multiple times. He got the shop manager and he saw it as well.

True or not, one of the service department folks told my wife that an electrical "glitch" in the steering column could result in the airbag deploying or other mechanical problems. So - in her mind it's not safe.

I don't think it's a lemon yet- but anyone ever experienced this? Recommendations on how to handle?


I've purchased one Ford in my life. It was one more trip to the dealer before Ford would voluntarily recognize it as a lemon. I'll revert to buy Toyotas going forward.
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I was able to film two more honking issues yesterday. Have a call set for later today with Ford Customer service about the buyback program. We'll see what they say.
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We will see OP in this kind of report soon enough.

https://www.ksby.com/us-news/angry-customer-drives-car-into-utah-dealership-after-being-denied-a-return
cgh1999
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One day i'm going to have a falling down kind of moment. It's going to be glorious.

Or - Kathy Bates in Fried Green Tomatoes: " Face it, girls. I'm older and I have more insurance."
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So when can he expect his refund? I shouldn't make jokes about this, but I don't think there is a person on the planet that can't relate.

Remember the old Discount Tire commercials?
maroon barchetta
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I do remember those commercials. And I threatened to do that once at the Discount Tire on Texas Ave in College Station.
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cgh1999 said:

I was able to film two more honking issues yesterday. Have a call set for later today with Ford Customer service about the buyback program. We'll see what they say.

Have they told you it is normal wear and tear for that vehicle and is caused by the way you drive the vehicle yet? That is part of the Ford script for any warranty service requests, so if they haven't done that yet, it will take a few more visits to the service department before they will even consider a lemon law return.
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Jaspers Ghost said:

cgh1999 said:

Three months ago I bought my wife a brand new 2026 platinum expedition. Four weeks ago it started honking randomly. Sometimes soft and other times loud. Sometimes for a second and others for minutes at a time. Driving. Or sitting in my driveway.

Take it to the dealership and a week later, they say it's fixed. I pick it up Friday the 18th right before service closed. I'm less than half a mile from the dealership when it starts again. I filmed it so I could show them. I drop it back off the 19th and go in today because they say it was fixed. I pull out of the dealership and haven't even driven past the edge of their property when it did it again. I turned around and grabbed the service manager and he rode with me and observed it happening multiple times. He got the shop manager and he saw it as well.

True or not, one of the service department folks told my wife that an electrical "glitch" in the steering column could result in the airbag deploying or other mechanical problems. So - in her mind it's not safe.

I don't think it's a lemon yet- but anyone ever experienced this? Recommendations on how to handle?


I've purchased one Ford in my life. It was one more trip to the dealer before Ford would voluntarily recognize it as a lemon. I'll revert to buy Toyotas going forward.
As long as it isn't the new ones! Engines are imploding these days.

All brands have this type of thing these days unfortunately. With how complex vehicles have become and how many third party equipment providers exist, it's bound to happen.
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Update -

Received an offer letter from Ford on Friday and will likely accept it. Going to see if there is any wiggle room on a couple of items.

Now the big conundrum - do i buy my wife another expedition, or switch to a tahoe or sequoia?
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I'd definitely not buy another ford
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I think there's reliability concerns on all suvs because of the turbo hybrid platforms. That said, I'll still go Lexus / Toyota over the other brands.
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My wife loves her Sequoia. Bought it after cam phaser and transmission went out on her Expedition. We hated that thing.
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easttexasaggie04 said:

My wife loves her Sequoia. Bought it after cam phaser and transmission went out on her Expedition. We hated that thing.

They're definitely nice but not practical for anybody that needs actual cargo space. For DINKS they are perfect
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We solve that by using the luggage rack on top for long trips. We put a ton up there. Love the Sequoia so far with a family of 4. Even survived our Disney trip a few weeks ago.
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I would agree - with the seats down / shoved forward, plus a luggage carrier or a roof rack, it covers 90-95% of the needs. If I need more, then just rent a trailer at that point.
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cgh1999 said:

Update -

Received an offer letter from Ford on Friday and will likely accept it. Going to see if there is any wiggle room on a couple of items.

Now the big conundrum - do i buy my wife another expedition, or switch to a tahoe or sequoia?

I think its a psychology thing at this point- do you treat this like the one-off lemon that this is and are otherwise happy with the vehicle, or will you be unhappy with another Expy thinking that something else is bound to go wrong? The Chevy and the Sequoia have their own shortcomings, especially depending on which powertrain you take on.
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