1968 F100 - My midlife crisis??

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My grandfather's farm truck has been sitting in my dad's backyard for 30ish years. I have always loved that old truck and dreamed of bringing it back to life. Unfortunately, outside of changing oil and tires, I don't really know anything about cars - although I've always wanted to. I'm probably an idiot for even considering this, but I wonder if I may be more capable than I realize with the aid of the following:
  • the breadth of information available on YouTube and other places online
  • crowd-sourcing from places like this forum
  • occasional help from more knowledgeable friends
  • occasional help from professionals

The problem is, I don't even know where to begin! There are no step-by-step guides for how to go about something like this (that I know of). So here's my first attempt at crowd-sourcing. Where should I start? Carb? Frame? Quit while I'm ahead? What say you, TexAgs?

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For sitting that long, it doesn't look as bad as it could. First thing I would do is get a shop-vac and get to cleaning.

From there I'd start trying to see if you can get it to run. There are some good Youtube videos of guys who have cars/trucks in similar situations and they are able to get them running while sitting in the same spot they've been in for decades. Might give you some good ideas.
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TecRecAg said:

For sitting that long, it doesn't look as bad as it could. First thing I would do is get a shop-vac and get to cleaning.

From there I'd start trying to see if you can get it to run. There are some good Youtube videos of guys who have cars/trucks in similar situations and they are able to get them running while sitting in the same spot they've been in for decades. Might give you some good ideas.
Thanks! I've watched a decent of those videos. It seems like each vehicle has a different trick that gets it started. I guess I could just try each trick one at a time and see what works.
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Like TecRec stated.. get to cleaning.

What I would do without spending a dime would be
  • Check dipstick to see if it's a watery sludge
  • Disconnect any belts that are still there
  • Pull the spark plugs (check them out) and spray some lubricant (WD-40, Marvels mystery oil, etc) into the cylinder and wait a while
  • Grab a breaker bar, put a socket on the crank bolt, and see if the engine will turn over

If the oil has a bunch of sludge in at and it won't turn over then it's decision time. How much do you want to spend?

If the oil looks good and it turns over then you can follow those youtube videos.

Hopefully you have a vehicle with a top post battery and you can swap it out for testing purposes to try to crank it.

Fuel, air, spark....

You can get a in line spark plug tester to test if you have spark.
You can squirt some gas in the carb or get some starting fluid
Crank it over and see if she'll run.

The good news is that parts for that truck are going to be pretty inexpensive. I actually saw spark plugs for less than a buck on RockAuto....

Good luck....
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That shortbed is awesome.

Congratulations in choosing this hobby/project. I'm excited to read about it.

You might give your credit card a call and request a credit limit increase
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Do you know why it was parked? If it was parked for mechanical reasons you might want to address that. If you are ready to test the engine, make sure the clutch isn't stuck to the flywheel. Also crack the oil plug open to check for and/or drain any moisture that may have accumulated. Pull the wire off the coil and crank it a bit to build oil pressure before you fire it off.
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This is awesome. In.

As suggested above - the VERY FIRST thing I would choose to do is clean up a bit. The last thing you want while working on it is worrying that every piece you move is going to expose another black widow or how big the rat that runs out will be. Are you going to move it somewhere to work on it? if so, that will make anything that requires being under it easier. As it sits, after years, it's grown to the ground and something as simple as draining the oil will be a challenge. Get it on a hard surface with some air in the tires you'll feel much more like working on a truck than performing a salvage operation.

That looks like a really solid start and family history to boot... SCORE.

ETA- I am really rooting for you on this. We can be '68 red truck bros.
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87IE said:

Like TecRec stated.. get to cleaning.

What I would do without spending a dime would be
  • Check dipstick to see if it's a watery sludge
  • Disconnect any belts that are still there
  • Pull the spark plugs (check them out) and spray some lubricant (WD-40, Marvels mystery oil, etc) into the cylinder and wait a while
  • Grab a breaker bar, put a socket on the crank bolt, and see if the engine will turn over

If the oil has a bunch of sludge in at and it won't turn over then it's decision time. How much do you want to spend?

If the oil looks good and it turns over then you can follow those youtube videos.

Hopefully you have a vehicle with a top post battery and you can swap it out for testing purposes to try to crank it.

Fuel, air, spark....

You can get a in line spark plug tester to test if you have spark.
You can squirt some gas in the carb or get some starting fluid
Crank it over and see if she'll run.

The good news is that parts for that truck are going to be pretty inexpensive. I actually saw spark plugs for less than a buck on RockAuto....

Good luck....
These are great tips! I'll work on it an report back.
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a07nathanb said:

That shortbed is awesome.

Congratulations in choosing this hobby/project. I'm excited to read about it.

You might give your credit card a call and request a credit limit increase
Haha ... I'm also flirting with the idea of just hiring someone to fully restore it for me, and that would DEFINITELY cost a pretty penny... and where's the fun in that?
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EskimoJoe said:

Do you know why it was parked? If it was parked for mechanical reasons you might want to address that. If you are ready to test the engine, make sure the clutch isn't stuck to the flywheel. Also crack the oil plug open to check for and/or drain any moisture that may have accumulated. Pull the wire off the coil and crank it a bit to build oil pressure before you fire it off.
My grandfather lived up in Texarkana, and I don't know the story of why he originally parked it. Back in ca 1992, my dad and I hauled it down to Buda with the intention of restoring it together. It was going to be his way of teaching me about cars (spoiler alert: it dien't work!) I remember getting it to a point where it would start up and we drove it around the block in our neighborhood. After that, I don't really remember what happened. think we were just satisfied with actually driving it and stopped messing with it. Its been sitting ever since.

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If you are ready to test the engine, make sure the clutch isn't stuck to the flywheel.
How do I do that? (Remember, I'm as entry level as they come.

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Also crack the oil plug open to check for and/or drain any moisture that may have accumulated.
Now that I can do!

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Pull the wire off the coil and crank it a bit to build oil pressure before you fire it off.
I assume you're referring to the ignition coil?
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Centerpole90 said:

This is awesome. In.

As suggested above - the VERY FIRST thing I would choose to do is clean up a bit. The last thing you want while working on it is worrying that every piece you move is going to expose another black widow or how big the rat that runs out will be. Are you going to move it somewhere to work on it? if so, that will make anything that requires being under it easier. As it sits, after years, it's grown to the ground and something as simple as draining the oil will be a challenge. Get it on a hard surface with some air in the tires you'll feel much more like working on a truck than performing a salvage operation.

That looks like a really solid start and family history to boot... SCORE.

ETA- I am really rooting for you on this. We can be '68 red truck bros.
Love your truck!!

I'll pull the shop vac out there this weekend and at least get it cleaned up a bit.

I'll eventually have to find a place to work on it for the reasons you mentioned, but right now I don't have a good space for that. I'm thinking I may go find some used tires to put on the wheels just so I have something that will hold air because the ones on there now DEFINITELY won't, and moving it is almost impossible on flat tires.
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The first thing I'd do is check my bank account. Assuming you can comfortably piss away at least 10 grand you've got yourself a good starting point. If you're thinking of going all in and can afford well over that, you'll end up with a hell of a show stopper.

With no mechanic skills, no shop to work on it, and no meaningful budget, I'd probably leave it in the dream stage.
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spot on here. see if the engine is any good first. it might take a while to come around but if it isn't locked up you have a good start. then work on fuel and spark. if you get it running then you can see how well it runs or if it needs rebuilding and then decide how far you want to keep going.
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Watch a crap ton of Vice Grip Garage/Roadworthy Rescues.

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Watch a few episodes of roadworthy rescue & follow his "recipe". Basically, rebuild or replace carburetor, replace ignition system (points, condenser, spark plugs & wires) clean out gas tank & lines, give it a brake job , replace all fluids after you get it going & enjoy! Obviously you can do as little or as much beyond that as your budget allows. This is a great vehicle to learn on.
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If you are lucky, the clutch master and slave cylinder still work and you should have some clutch petal and be able to move it through the gears. If not, there might be an inspection play you could remove and peek in there.

As for the coil wire, it is the wire that goes from the coil to the distributor.

Go ahead and self enroll in youtube university there's a ton of information available.
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Is it going anywhere in the near future? Let it sit until you have the means to properly do this.
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Have you tried airing up the current tires? You might be surprised. Don't go above 10psi or so if it does hold air
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In!
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Well ... I intended to get more done this weekend but started feeling a bit under the weather so I spent most of my down time binging several episodes of Vice Grip Garage. Thanks to all of you who made that recommendation. Its excellent!

I did accomplish two things - I was able to confirm that the engine WILL turn over manually, and I looked at the dipstick. To my novice eyes, it looks maybe slightly thinner than what I'm accustomed to seeing (from when I change my oil), but if so it is not much. It is certainly not a watery sludge.

I think my next step (whenever I start to feel up to it) is to get some tires on it that will actually hold air (Yes, @Charisatic Megafauna, I tried to air it up. Its like trying to inflate a sock). That way I can much more easily move it around into more convenient spots to do the work that is needed, or even put it on a trailer to haul it somewhere if necessary.

After that, my tentative plan is as follows:
  • Vacuum the hell out of it.
  • Disconnect and throw away belts.
  • Check/replace spark plugs and spray WD40 into the cylinders (per @87IE above)
  • Rebuild/replace carb*
  • Replace ignition system*
  • Clean out gas tank & lines*
  • Brake job*
  • Replace all fluids

(*= stuff I'' have to learn how to do)

Y'all are helping a ton! Keep the suggestions coming!
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FIDO*98* said:

The first thing I'd do is check my bank account. Assuming you can comfortably piss away at least 10 grand you've got yourself a good starting point. If you're thinking of going all in and can afford well over that, you'll end up with a hell of a show stopper.

With no mechanic skills, no shop to work on it, and no meaningful budget, I'd probably leave it in the dream stage.
Oh I know it won't be cheap! Still haven't decided how far I'll go with it, but I'm prepared for whatever.
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EskimoJoe said:

If you are lucky, the clutch master and slave cylinder still work and you should have some clutch petal and be able to move it through the gears. If not, there might be an inspection play you could remove and peek in there.

As for the coil wire, it is the wire that goes from the coil to the distributor.

Go ahead and self enroll in youtube university there's a ton of information available.
This sounds like some great advice, but I have no idea what anything in your first paragraph means! Haha.

Off to YouTube university to translate!
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big ben said:

Is it going anywhere in the near future? Let it sit until you have the means to properly do this.
My hope is that I will have it to a point where I can drive it to a more conducive workspace (buddy's shop) once one is secured.
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I have no idea how far I'll go with this, but I've been draming a bit. I ran across the Signature Series by Velocity Resorations and .... wow. This is now my inspiration (although mine would surely be a poor man's version). Apparently these are considered "RestoMods" rather than "Restorations" (that was a new term for me). I'd love to work towards this and possibly use it as a daily driver.

A few questions that have popped into my mind as I sit in the sick bed:

  • Engine -- I haven't decided whether I would eventually like to swap out the engine. I'm pretty sure its a 300 Inline 6 (possibly the 240). If it becomes a daily driver, gas mileage will be a consideration so I was thinking I may need to go to fuel injectors. I wouldn't race it or show it off, but I also don't want to feel like its struggling to get off the blocks or travel at highway speeds. Thoughts?
  • Transmission - It is a 3 on the tree. I think can find all the gears with the clutch pushed in, but it takes some strength. What should I be thinking about to make this transmission operational? I prefer a floor shifter, so if I go all the way with this, I may try to make that switch (or hire someone else to). Thoughts?

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Good luck! After watching Vice Grip Garage obsessively the last 3 years, I was motivated enough to start my own project last week. Bought a non running 78 MGB. I have about the same knowledge as you, and am following the same recipe listed above. With enough YouTube, and Derek's help, should be able to get them running!
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I wouldn't spray wd40 in the cylinders. You don't need to break anything free as you've already turned it over. Maybe pour a tiny bit of oil or some marvel mystery oil in each cylinder.
If it were me i would do the marvel mystery oil, pop the carb off and give it a once over (not disassemble, just hose it down with carb cleaner, especially if it's been sitting with no air filter), then put the fuel line in a jar of gas, pour a little in the carb, hook up some jumper cables and try to fire it up. I bet it runs. If not shoot some ether in the carb and get it to fire. Then start messing with the other stuff. It's so much more satisfying to work on a vehicle that runs
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Try researching this one: LS swap
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Independence H-D said:

Watch a crap ton of Vice Grip Garage/Roadworthy Rescues.





Specifically, this episode had the same motor. Ford made millions of this 300-6 motors. They will run forever.



Good tips in this video
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Subscribe to YouTube Vice Grip Garage, as mentioned. This is exactly what he specializes in. Even my wife likes his videos and she is far from a gear head.
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1. Take your time
2. Be steady
3. Prepare to be poor
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Really glad to see so many Vice Grip Garage/Roadworthy Rescues fans!

Aside from the mechanical knowledge, I love Derek's humor and the epic problem solving on road trips. Same reason I like Roadkill. Big family dynamic too.
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First step is to lie to your wife on what you think you will spend. I told my wife $30k was my budget. That was like $18k ago.
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jaborch99 said:

Well ... I intended to get more done this weekend but started feeling a bit under the weather so I spent most of my down time binging several episodes of Vice Grip Garage. Thanks to all of you who made that recommendation. Its excellent!

I did accomplish two things - I was able to confirm that the engine WILL turn over manually, and I looked at the dipstick. To my novice eyes, it looks maybe slightly thinner than what I'm accustomed to seeing (from when I change my oil), but if so it is not much. It is certainly not a watery sludge.

I think my next step (whenever I start to feel up to it) is to get some tires on it that will actually hold air (Yes, @Charisatic Megafauna, I tried to air it up. Its like trying to inflate a sock). That way I can much more easily move it around into more convenient spots to do the work that is needed, or even put it on a trailer to haul it somewhere if necessary.

After that, my tentative plan is as follows:
  • Vacuum the hell out of it.
  • Disconnect and throw away belts.
  • Check/replace spark plugs and spray WD40 into the cylinders (per @87IE above)
  • Rebuild/replace carb*
  • Replace ignition system*
  • Clean out gas tank & lines*
  • Brake job*
  • Replace all fluids

(*= stuff I'' have to learn how to do)

Y'all are helping a ton! Keep the suggestions coming!



That engine has a Carter YF carburetor. I doubt it needs to be replaced, but I can almost guarantee it needs a rebuild after sitting that long. A rebuild kit will cost you about $20. My jeep 6-cylinder had the same carb. The varnish had crystalized so hard I had to use a few love taps with a hammer to get the accelerator pump out. It still rebuild just fine.

Chances are good you will probably need a fuel pump. Heads up on mechanical fuel pumps available today. These used to be a quick and easy remove and replace. Unfortunately, so few cars use them anymore, most of the ones available come from China and are junk. They will either overpressure the float valve in the carb and flood it, or the diaphragm in the pump fails almost immediately. A lot of people save the effort and just convert to electric fuel pump. If you are set on keeping a mechanical fuel pump, the better brands are said to be the NAPA house brand or AC Delco.

Regarding the ignition system, get it running on points first. It should not be too hard and will be cheap. You will also learn a lot. Down the road you can make the decision to go to electronic ignition. You have plenty of options including (*gasp*) putting a GM HEI distributor in it. Personally I hate messing with point ignition, but they are pretty simple.


The Roadkill guys had a saying. Don't get it right; just get it running.

Don't let perfection be the enemy of good enough. Your first priorities should be tasks that get it moving and on the road. Worry about swaps and upgrades down the road. The more it sits, the faster you will lose interest.
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I'm jealous you have a truck and history to it. Recommend the VGG route as well! Enjoy the journey, but maybe set a goal with it.

My uncle rebuilt a 29 roadster and said he committed to a min of 5 hours a week of work on it. He said if he didn't do that, he would have never got it done. At least get this roadworthy - you don't have to break the bank to do that.
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