Tesla increased the discount on lots of current inventory models today, but it looks like only demo vehicles are discounted for the X.

Here's my opinions so far. I'll admit that I'm a bit of a novice so corrections and feedback is welcomed.

Tesla is the innovator in the field and has been for a while. Their quality seems to lack and it is hit or miss. Some have no issues and others have multiple. The ride is not quiet and this might be due to all the windows and /or quality issues. Demand is not there like it was in 2022 and prices are falling; this is somewhat also due to the competition.

Other automakers are losing money on their EVs. I'm thinking prices will continue to drop based on inventory and number of days these cars stay on lots.

I'm still looking for comfort. Because of the quality issues with Tesla, I've looked into luxury auto makers and they make some nice rides. I'm not buying anything new and it seems there are good luxury EVs with few miles and a year old for massive discounts as depreciation has taken effect being hit by low demand and falling prices on newer models.

Always be careful with luxury makes in the covid years especially. Lot's of supplier challenges. Little things like actuators/window motors etc. can be a problem. That's part of the depreciation seen now, as well as the inferior/older tech for the EV's, and in general the used market is cooling off after an incredible run the past 18 months.

Ah, good point. Thank you.

The Tesla quality issues are significantly less in their later year models, especially with the X and S which is what you are looking for. And the integration of the vehicle with their charging network and the overall experience would more than make up for any deficiencies. It's the best seller because it's simply the best offering at this point.

We just can't have nice discussions on this topic because certain folks lose their minds if anyone doesn't like their car/brand.

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We just can't have nice discussions on this topic because certain folks lose their minds if anyone doesn't like their car/brand.

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So it's like every other thread here?

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The ride is not quiet and this might be due to all the windows and /or quality issues.

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I think it is more a fact that ICE vehicles are noisy and the engine noise covers more of the noise you can hear in an electric vehicle.

Tesla puts in a good sound system, anyway.


I wouldn't get the early models of any of the Teslas. My Model 3 was at the end of the second year and it has been mostly problem free. Nothing notable for sure.

Surprised no one has mentioned the Audi E-tron yet. Much luxury.

Also the Polestar (Volvo electric) models are very nice if you like swedish minimalism.

Neither of these will have convenient charging options, but you already said most charging would be done at home.

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The ride is not quiet and this might be due to all the windows and /or quality issues.

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I think it is more a fact that ICE vehicles are noisy and the engine noise covers more of the noise you can hear in an electric vehicle.

Tesla puts in a good sound system, anyway.


I wouldn't get the early models of any of the Teslas. My Model 3 was at the end of the second year and it has been mostly problem free. Nothing notable for sure.

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2018 20k vin here, both headlights, dashboard wood, suspension control arms,, think that's all the warranty issues I've had. A few recalls for connector pins, trunk wiring, and had the fsd computer upgraded. I'd say not bad for an early vin on a new car,, 76k miles so far. Still get probably 290 on a full charge, but I usually charge to 80percent for daily use

Am on 3rd set of tires, 3rd 12 volt battery

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Thinking of getting an EV. Selling my GMC 2500 HD, no longer need to pull a travel trailer and ready for a comfortable commuter car/SUV.

New or used, Tesla vs field. Prefer comfort and technology over speed. I've never owned an EV so I'll have to get the charging setup.

Anyone ever bought an EV and regretted it? Again, I'll mostly commute 200-250 miles per week. Wife has a V8 SUV for road trips.

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For your situation, I would get a used Tesla Model Y or 3 within 3-4 yrs. I got a Model Y when it first came out and no issues at all even with panel gaps. Got a new Model Y 5 months ago and its an overall better car but not sure its worth the extra 20K.

If you have time and want an improved car in most facets, wait and buy a new Model or 3 refreshed versions. From the reviews, the refreshed model 3 is leaps better from ride quality/fit&finish/efficiency/road noise. Some well knowns reviewers said it approaches the ride of a mercedes.

The quality issues with Tesla is the thing of the past. Panel gaps and all that stuff is essentially gone. Tesla's have much less issues compared to other EV manufacturers and less maintenance than ICE just b/c EVs are simple machines.

Tesla are just better from a software, tech, charging POV. Look at reviews for the Mach E computer system that lags while Tesla runs like an iphone. Its night vs day.

Thanks and great advice by you and a lot of others here. My hesitancy with used is how the original owner(s) charged the battery. Super charging frequently and to certain percentages can damage the battery unless I'm misunderstanding.

Is the model Y getting a refresh in 2024? Seems revamped Model Y (Codename Juniper) is around the corner. I test drove a model Y yesterday to rule it out based on all my research. Dang, that was a fun drive. I was blown away by the tech and drive quality. I did not like the road noise or the quality of the interior. Seats, liners and dash all seemed like it should be in a cheaper car. If Juniper fixes that then I'd need to rethink it.

I'm not sure the model 3 is big enough. I'll need to give it my golf bag test.

I think the price of a model X and S will keep me from buying those.

I'm gonna say again, check out Polestar.

If you like the way the Model Y looked but didn't like the interior, I think you'll be surprised.

Don't base the Polestar brand off of what the ICE cars are like. Its a different animal and very nice.

Admittedly the infotainment stuff isn't on par with all of Tesla's doo-dads. The Polestar is a minimalist design. That carries through the touchscreen as well.

Do you have a Polestar? I've seen them online and it looks like they run about $6-8k more than a model Y. I'm in no hurry and will keep watching for a price drop and maybe even test drive one.

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Thanks and great advice by you and a lot of others here. My hesitancy with used is how the original owner(s) charged the battery. Super charging frequently and to certain percentages can damage the battery unless I'm misunderstanding.

Is the model Y getting a refresh in 2024? Seems revamped Model Y (Codename Juniper) is around the corner. I test drove a model Y yesterday to rule it out based on all my research. Dang, that was a fun drive. I was blown away by the tech and drive quality. I did not like the road noise or the quality of the interior. Seats, liners and dash all seemed like it should be in a cheaper car. If Juniper fixes that then I'd need to rethink it.

I'm not sure the model 3 is big enough. I'll need to give it my golf bag test.

I think the price of a model X and S will keep me from buying those.

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When people jump into an EV esp Tesla, its a different experience. Its just so much fun. The Tech separates Tesla from the other EV makers.

I like the minimalist interior, some do not. The seats on the Tesla is the most comfortable I have ever been in be it a Mercedes, BMW, Minivan, etc.

The model Y is overall better than the 3 for just a few more thousands. Remember the Tax rebates that some EVs don't get and could be a 7K mistake if you pick one that don't qualify.

Check out the Model 3 refresh, it is in Europe and should be in the US soon. It should have essentially what the Model Y gets and reviews says its super quiet and looks more refined inside and out. No one really knows a definite time frame but I am guessing 2024 will start production.

Also, I would not worry too much about battery degradation. My old Model Y was down 10-15% after 70K miles and flattens out until well past 100K. Batteries are better now so I think this is much less of an issue.

If you want to see how much supercharging was done, you can pull it up on the charging screen or Tesla App which will tell you % of home vs supercharging. Tesla tech is fantastic, world class by years.

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Thanks and great advice by you and a lot of others here. My hesitancy with used is how the original owner(s) charged the battery. Super charging frequently and to certain percentages can damage the battery unless I'm misunderstanding.

Is the model Y getting a refresh in 2024? Seems revamped Model Y (Codename Juniper) is around the corner. I test drove a model Y yesterday to rule it out based on all my research. Dang, that was a fun drive. I was blown away by the tech and drive quality. I did not like the road noise or the quality of the interior. Seats, liners and dash all seemed like it should be in a cheaper car. If Juniper fixes that then I'd need to rethink it.

I'm not sure the model 3 is big enough. I'll need to give it my golf bag test.

I think the price of a model X and S will keep me from buying those.

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Tesla's are $25,000 cars with $25,000 batteries.

Truth.

No, but I've been shopping them hard lately.

I like them above anything else in the @50k range. If I were to buy I would get the smallest wheels with the most tire sidewall possible. This is an issue on all new cars. Big rimpz and rubber band tires make a rough and noisy ride

I've driven the Model Y, Polestar, Mach E and the Cadillac Lyric.

Polestar drives really well. I did not like the layout of the interior and the location of the cup holder(s); was just a strange center console.

Mach E was okay. I drove fine but just not a fan of the look.

Model Y is good. I see it as an entry level EV and it lacks the bells and whistles. It drives fun but has loud road noise and you feel the bumps a lot.

Current favorite is the Lyric. Drives good, looks nice and has good range. The drawback is the price. Is luxury worth the extra cost is what I'm debating. If not, Tesla is the choice.

I purchased a new Cadillac Lyriq suv. Great ride, good range at 320 miles. Being a first generation there were a few bugs but they are constantly updating to remove the minor annoyances. Has the look of traditional vehicle with all the EV qualities. Also it's awd with 500hp. Not bad for a suv.

Yeah, the 2023 model year was a great deal. For 2024 they made three trim levels and it is $10k more for the trim that has the equivalent features as the 2023 version.

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He is thinking about getting a luxury SUV. Used EV/Tesla regrets are manifold.

Diesel Tahoe? C'mon, get serious.

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Surprised no one has mentioned the Audi E-tron yet. Much luxury.

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The OP said "Comfort and Technology", not luxury. There's a difference even though luxury can include comfort and technology items too.

OP, If you care about pure luxury attributes that are mainly aesthetic and not functional with stuff like fit-and-finish and exotic/expensive interior materials, then BMW i-series or Audi e-tron series would fit the bill with their use of crystal knob controls and suede, and just look and "feel" better.

Otherwise, Tesla has technology and some comfort features that either beat or match on all cars brands by far, including gas vehicles. That includes:

• Free OTA software updates that make the vehicle functionally better over time, just like your phone, app, or computer. All other OEMs are just now starting or struggling to do this.
• Built-in dashcam and security cam from 4 built-in vehicle cameras. Tesla and Rivian are the only ones that do this, all other OEMs you need to install a 3rd party dash cam.
• Phone-as-Key and App functionality. With the app, you can view a live camera feed from your vehicle, pre-condition your vehicle to cool your car in the summer or heat and melt snow/ice in the winter, and know exactly where the Tesla is and where its going at all times in case you want to know where your spouse or new teen driver is.
• 3rd party API support if you're really into metrics and data on your vehicle usage. I use TeslaFi.
• Infotainment functionality and features that nobody else is doing or have barely started to do (such as built-in video games, streaming media, easter eggs, and user programmable light shows).
• Up to 10 driver profiles can be saved, other OEMs still only can hold 2 driver profiles. Additionally, driver profiles are saved in the cloud so you can download your driver profile to any other Tesla vehicle.
• Level 2 highway self-driving included on all vehicles.
• Extra cargo space with the use of a lockable frunk trunk and sub-trunk. There are actually some EVs that do not have this extra cargo space such as BMWs.
• Premium sound system that just as powerful and as good as other luxury brands.
• Heated seats and steering wheel. Additional cooled seats on just the Model S and Model X. New Model 3 Highland refresh has both heated and cooled seats.
• All doors on the Model X are powered, including the front driver and passenger door. This is a technology feature that I've only seen done with Rolls-Royce.

Others mentioning about the Tesla's inferior Supercharging network vs the failures of all other DC fast chargers are true, but you don't need to worry about that since you said you'll be driving your ICE vehicle anyways for roads trips. So nearly 100% of your charging needs will occur at the convenience of your own home where you'll see immediately savings on refueling costs that will only get better the more you drive.

Love my Lexus300h and our '16 Chevy Volt. Didn't buy them to save the world, bought them cuz MPG is banging.

Picking up a maroon MYP tomorrow so I'll be a smug ******* driver in like 15 hours.

The Lyriq will temporarily lose it's tax credit on Jan 1 until they change the source of some battery material in the 1Q of 2024