I had a rather scary intrusive thought when driving home from Aggieland this past weekend.

Do y'all ever think in the future the Gov't could force automakers to include tech where they can autobill/fine you when speeding?!

My wife's car displays an image of the speed limit sign on the dash to roughly 50% accuracy give or take a few hundred yards then turns red when you are over said limit.

I was thinking I bet the tech could be forced to be improved to where we are then auto billed if we trip a predetermined limit?!

Can you give an example of where you think something even remotely similar has been implemented?

They could do this for seatbelts as well, but how could they prove who was driving the car?

Wouldn't they just not let your car go over the speed limit?

AggieT said:

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Wouldn't they just not let your car go over the speed limit?

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Where's the money in that?

I had heard of tollways in California that issue speeding tickets based upon how much time it took you to get between two points.

Same concept of sending a bill for people that don't pay tolls, the speeding ticket goes to the registered owner of the car.

I feel like technology still has a ways to go for some of these things. My truck has the same thing as the OP, but, for example, if I'm driving on 45 and the HOV lane in the middle of the freeway has an exit/entrance coming up so the speed limit drops to 50, my camera picks up that sign and will display 50 instead of the 60/65 that the main lanes really are....

That being said, government intrusion and technology in cars allowing it is pretty scary. Wasn't it VW who basically said they would be willing to use their interior cameras and sensors to determine if a driver is drunk and stop the vehicle and send that info to the police?

Complete Idiot said:

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Can you give an example of where you think something even remotely similar has been implemented?

They could do this for seatbelts as well, but how could they prove who was driving the car?

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I'm not saying we have the tech currently but I don't think we are far off from developing it. If Elon can land a rocket on a barge in the gulf I'm sure they can GPS track our cars with some tweaking to generate revenue.

My point was just kind of how far will the government go into infringing on our rights or privileges since you don't have to have a car to live freely.

Must have been a really boring drive. You should look into podcasts or audiobooks.

No, but insurance companies already do this to allow you the opportunity to decrease your costs of insurance.

GeorgeBailey said:

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I had heard of tollways in California that issue speeding tickets based upon how much time it took you to get between two points.

Same concept of sending a bill for people that don't pay tolls, the speeding ticket goes to the registered owner of the car.

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TexDill15 said:

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I had a rather scary intrusive thought when driving home from Aggieland this past weekend.

Do y'all ever think in the future the Gov't could force automakers to include tech where they can autobill/fine you when speeding?!

My wife's car displays an image of the speed limit sign on the dash to roughly 50% accuracy give or take a few hundred yards then turns red when you are over said limit.

I was thinking I bet the tech could be forced to be improved to where we are then auto billed if we trip a predetermined limit?!

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Won't happen. 1) They wouldn't know the context of the reason for speeding and 2) Our representatives speed all the time and they don't want to get a ticket or deal with the mass outrage from their constituents.

Complete Idiot said:

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Can you give an example of where you think something even remotely similar has been implemented?

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Red Light cameras are probably the closest. Because of those, Im somewhat surprised they dont have remote radar guns and cameras to ticket drivers already.

There are toll Cameras/Violations. Ignition Interlock Devices (alcohol breath sensor/switches), and private companies who can disable a vehicle upon theft, along with insurance companies using apps to track your speed/driving habits, etc. Similar technology is used to punish/restrict drivers.

I think it would be crap, but I dont think this is such a far-fetched idea.

AgGrad99 said:

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Complete Idiot said:

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Can you give an example of where you think something even remotely similar has been implemented?

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Red Light cameras are probably the closest. Because of those, Im somewhat surprised they dont have remote radar guns and cameras to ticket drivers already.

There are toll Cameras/Violations. Ignition Interlock Devices (alcohol breath sensor/switches), and private companies who can disable a vehicle upon theft, along with insurance companies using apps to track your speed/driving habits, etc. Similar technology is used to punish/restrict drivers.

I think it would be crap, but I dont think this is such a far-fetched idea.

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Depending on where you live, they already do.

AgGrad99 said:

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Complete Idiot said:

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Can you give an example of where you think something even remotely similar has been implemented?

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Red Light cameras are probably the closest. Because of those, Im somewhat surprised they dont have remote radar guns and cameras to ticket drivers already.

There are toll Cameras/Violations. Ignition Interlock Devices (alcohol breath sensor/switches), and private companies who can disable a vehicle upon theft, along with insurance companies using apps to track your speed/driving habits, etc. Similar technology is used to punish/restrict drivers.

I think it would be crap, but I dont think this is such a far-fetched idea.

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Speed cameras are a thing, at least in some places. Can confirm because I got a lovely ticket in the mail after a trip to DC, for speeding on an exit ramp coming off the beltway in DC. Saw the flash go off as I went past and immediately knew I was screwed.

Gotcha. I had no idea.

If speeding cameras are already a thing...seems like the OPs suggestion is only a small step further in that direction.

AgGrad99 said:

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Gotcha. I had no idea.

If speeding cameras are already a thing...seems like the OPs suggestion is only a small step further in that direction.

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I wouldn't say the government having direct access to your vehicles software, or your vehicle automatically sharing that data with the government, is a small step.

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AgGrad99 said:

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Gotcha. I had no idea.

If speeding cameras are already a thing...seems like the OPs suggestion is only a small step further in that direction.

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I wouldn't say the government having direct access to your vehicles software, or your vehicle automatically sharing that data with the government, is a small step.

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I mean, with the cameras, and your license plates, they pull all your info already. I understand that they'd now have location data, etc...but you already provide that to several dozen apps on your phone as you drive around.

I dont like any of it...but as a society, it's the direction it's going, and dont think it's that big of a bridge from where we are now.

GeorgeBailey said:

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I had heard of tollways in California that issue speeding tickets based upon how much time it took you to get between two points.

Same concept of sending a bill for people that don't pay tolls, the speeding ticket goes to the registered owner of the car.

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In New South Wales, Australia, they had elapsed time speeding tickets on the Hume Highway between Sydney and Canberra.

They eventually got rid of them but I never heard why.

Sounds like an illegal search to me

Any sort of automated system would violate due process rights. They've run into this problem with red light cameras, which have gone away in many, though not all, jurisdictions. They tried the "civil penalty" bull**** but the problem with that is it still goes through collection agencies and runs up against Fair Credit laws. Since it isn't a debt, nor was there a debtor/creditor relationship, not to mention the fact that some courts have come right out and said red light cameras are a de facto violation of one's constitutional rights, upping the game to criminal traffic tickets won't fly.

I fought 2 red light camera tickets -- one for my wife and one for me. It was a kangaroo court both times. The wife one, I got it dismissed at the first level. Mine, it was upheld and I went to the Municipal "court." The judge was, by far, the worst homer I've ever been in front of -- and that's saying something. I'm the guy on here that gives all sports officials the benefit of the doubt (because I've done it for decades) and this guy didn't hide his bias. I would have easily got it overturned in a suit, but it was around the time the legislature was amending the law, so I let it go. I told the "prosecuting attorney" (who I can't believe even got a good score on the LSAT, much less passed law school) to eat **** on my way out of the courtroom. I should have filed an ethics complaint against her because she tried to pass off a bogus document off as being the text of a statute. It wasn't. Back then I didn't have a connected iPad like I do now.

To implement this, they'd have to take traffic tickets out of the criminal process, or out of the city's pockets and they won't do either.

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Complete Idiot said:

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Can you give an example of where you think something even remotely similar has been implemented?

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Red Light cameras are probably the closest. Because of those, Im somewhat surprised they dont have remote radar guns and cameras to ticket drivers already.

There are toll Cameras/Violations. Ignition Interlock Devices (alcohol breath sensor/switches), and private companies who can disable a vehicle upon theft, along with insurance companies using apps to track your speed/driving habits, etc. Similar technology is used to punish/restrict drivers.

I think it would be crap, but I dont think this is such a far-fetched idea.

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There are speed cameras in New Orleans that auto send speeding tickets.

Complete Idiot said:

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Can you give an example of where you think something even remotely similar has been implemented?

They could do this for seatbelts as well, but how could they prove who was driving the car?

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Are you kidding? Several cars already have driver-facing camera's. It would be trivially easy to embed GPS speed, location, and images of both the driver and the surroundings, all meta-data'd together in a nice little package.

HollywoodBQ said:

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GeorgeBailey said:

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I had heard of tollways in California that issue speeding tickets based upon how much time it took you to get between two points.

Same concept of sending a bill for people that don't pay tolls, the speeding ticket goes to the registered owner of the car.

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In New South Wales, Australia, they had elapsed time speeding tickets on the Hume Highway between Sydney and Canberra.

They eventually got rid of them but I never heard why.

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They still have average speed cameras in the UK, I think their use has expanded (basing this off segments on Top Gear talking about it).

Don't think it would fly here but not an expert on constitutional law by any means.

I would be ok with paying a dollar per mile for speeds 30+ over the speed limit and reserving the left lane for those 'criminals' in the HSV lane.

I won't worry until China does it first.

In Korea, on their version of an interstate, they have signs that warn you when you are coming up on a speed camera, and are installed by the government. It actually works well to give you an opportunity to slow down prior to hitting said camera, and does a good job of keeping the overall flow of traffic at a decent pace. They are more worried about the citizen being safe than making won or two.

clarythedrill said:

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In Korea, on their version of an interstate, they have signs that warn you when you are coming up on a speed camera, and are installed by the government. It actually works well to give you an opportunity to slow down prior to hitting said camera, and does a good job of keeping the overall flow of traffic at a decent pace. They are more worried about the citizen being safe than making won or two.

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won or two what?

WON OR TWO WHAT!?!

I've driven in the UK four of the last 6 years. My anecdotal experience is they are increasing in frequency from visiting a handful of areas multiple times over that time frame. Varies widely across the country as they're common around the major cities (London / Manchester), but less common in the more rural areas.

My anecdotal experience in the UK is that speed cameras + variable speed limits keep traffic flowing much more consistently which improves flow as everyone moves at approximately at the same rate which leads to fewer lane changes, people slamming on the brakes, weaving in and out of traffic, etc.

They also have double entry and exit ramps that give cars more time to merge in and off their freeways which makes zipper merging more efficient.

They also have tolerance for error in their cameras so you aren't getting fined for going 73 in a 70. Go 85 and you're getting one.

Tim Weaver said:

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clarythedrill said:

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In Korea, on their version of an interstate, they have signs that warn you when you are coming up on a speed camera, and are installed by the government. It actually works well to give you an opportunity to slow down prior to hitting said camera, and does a good job of keeping the overall flow of traffic at a decent pace. They are more worried about the citizen being safe than making won or two.

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won or two what?

WON OR TWO WHAT!?!

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Haha, it should say "a won or two." You know, the won is their unit of currency.

Ogre09 said:

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I won't worry until China does it first.

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they drive on the wrong side of the road into on coming traffic to pass. On 4 lane roads. I had to keep my eyes closed I was so scared.