https://fordauthority.com/2023/08/ford-mustang-gtd-leaks-ahead-of-debut/

There was a rumor about a mid-engined Mustang debuting at Monterrey Car Week. Now there is a supposed leak, but it doesn't look to be mid-engined.

I guess technically it could be considered mid-engined if they put the ecoboost from the Ford GT just behind the front axle and pushed the front seats back to make room (while removing the rear seats)

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tk for tu juan said:

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https://fordauthority.com/2023/08/ford-mustang-gtd-leaks-ahead-of-debut/

There was a rumor about a mid-engined Mustang debuting at Monterrey Car Week. Now there is a supposed leak, but it doesn't look to be mid-engined.

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This is more like a front mid engine. The front of the valve covers are behind the center point of the front axle.

It will have a driveline set up like the C5 or AMg GT with the torque tube and a rear mounted transaxle unit, and inboard mounted diagonal adjustable coil overs. And the car will make heavy use of magnesium parts.

MSRP going to be around $300,000

Will it have the 5.4L from the GT3?

https://www.ford.com/performance/mustang-gtd

That's really bad ass

tk for tu juan said:

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A target of sub-7 minute at Nurburgring is also supercar territory. They already have affordable Mustangs, this is the halo car replacement for the outgoing Ford GT as the Mustang GT3 is the next to race at Le Mans in 2024.

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Yeah this is not intended to be something you buy instead of a Corvette. It's a supercar with Mustang branding.

tk for tu juan said:

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A target of sub-7 minute at Nurburgring is also supercar territory. They already have affordable Mustangs, this is the halo car replacement for the outgoing Ford GT as the Mustang GT3 is the next to race at Le Mans in 2024.

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Ford has their work cut out for them -- the Chevy entry was a cultural sensation.

Just in time for Chevy to quit making them.

It is interesting that just as Ford is almost out of the "car" business, they are getting back into motorsport -- including a return to F1.

Trinity Ag said:

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P.H. Dexippus said:

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It's hard to believe the MSRP on a 2006 Ford GT was $149,500

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And they are all selling from $350-450k now.

A bad financial bet compared to the S&P Index, but beat the pants off the depreciation of Aston Martins mentioned earlier in the thread.

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Still a bargain compared to the 2nd gen GTs which are $1MM+

Trinity Ag said:

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tk for tu juan said:

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A target of sub-7 minute at Nurburgring is also supercar territory. They already have affordable Mustangs, this is the halo car replacement for the outgoing Ford GT as the Mustang GT3 is the next to race at Le Mans in 2024.

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Ford has their work cut out for them -- the Chevy entry was a cultural sensation.

Just in time for Chevy to quit making them.

It is interesting that just as Ford is almost out of the "car" business, they are getting back into motorsport -- including a return to F1.

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The Mustang GT3 will have to abide by the class rules. It won't be in a participation trophy class with basically no rules like the Hendrick Racing entry.

Ford still makes cars outside of the US

tk for tu juan said:

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Trinity Ag said:

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tk for tu juan said:

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A target of sub-7 minute at Nurburgring is also supercar territory. They already have affordable Mustangs, this is the halo car replacement for the outgoing Ford GT as the Mustang GT3 is the next to race at Le Mans in 2024.

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Ford has their work cut out for them -- the Chevy entry was a cultural sensation.

Just in time for Chevy to quit making them.

It is interesting that just as Ford is almost out of the "car" business, they are getting back into motorsport -- including a return to F1.

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The Mustang GT3 will have to abide by the class rules. It won't be in a participation trophy class with basically no rules like the Hendrick Racing entry.

Ford still makes cars outside of the US

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That is a good point

https://racer.com/2023/07/24/2024-lmgt3-field-starting-to-take-shape/

I don't pay much attention to anything except Formula 1. For the clueless like me the link is a decent article on the emerging grid for the 2024 GT3 class.

Yeah the class system gets pretty convoluted between the IMSA and FIA WEC endurance races. Hope it is more uniform next year. I also mainly follow F1 and also Nascar

HossAg said:

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tk for tu juan said:

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A target of sub-7 minute at Nurburgring is also supercar territory. They already have affordable Mustangs, this is the halo car replacement for the outgoing Ford GT as the Mustang GT3 is the next to race at Le Mans in 2024.

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Yeah this is not intended to be something you buy instead of a Corvette. It's a supercar with Mustang branding.

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Is it worth 2x a C8 ZR-1?

A mass produced car built at the same Bowling Green plant as the other Corvettes versus a limited run of cars designed and assembled by Multimatic. Yes, it will be worth more

tk for tu juan said:

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Yeah the class system gets pretty convoluted between the IMSA and FIA WEC endurance races. Hope it is more uniform next year. I also mainly follow F1 and also Nascar

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I guess the main takeaway on the "why?" question from earlier in the thread is that Ford is selling these to the public because they need to homologate the model for eligibility in the GT3 class.

Why Ford is investing heavily in racing is less clear to me.

Even Ford of Europe only sells three pure "car" models: the Mustang, Focus, and Fiesta. Maybe they are trying to increase Mustang sales overseas?

I like it -- but it feels like they are struggling with strategic direction.

I think you just described the death of the Supra and the Z cars pretty succinctly.

aggieforester05 said:

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The older I get the less I care about overpriced halo cars. Mass production of affordable sports/muscle cars is much better for the hobby. It seems like that is being largely abandoned in favor of producing halo cars that serve little purpose other than marketing and collecting dust in an investors garage. All the cars that were once affordable and fun will become relatively expensive EVs that lack the visceral feel and sensory experiences of the cars they replace.

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Agreed.

My dad's first car was a Mustang. His next was a Plymouth Cuda. He bought them both himself, working on the weekends and during the summer. I know several people who did something similar.

The average kid/family can't do that today.

If someone would come out with nice looking muscle car, that was inexpensive, it'd be a hit. But what's the incentive when the CAFE standards punish auto-makers for doing that?