miley said:

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Any other guesses on location? I've looked high and low without luck.

I know it's there as the wife set up the app and I just checked and it's very much active. She doesn't care about it and I'd like it gone.

Mac Haik fwiw and I'll never forget the argument had that day.

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Well if you'll never forget it, you won't mind telling us.

It wasn't so much the argument itself but rather the lessons learned.

The wife wanted to be a part of the process which meant dragging the kids along (4 and 6 at the time). The popcorn machine kept them busy for about twenty minutes and their iPad bought me another hour. As the transaction drew on and the kids began to melt away I quickly came to the realization that the upper hand had already been given away.

I should mention that I was happy with all other parameters. Car was priced right, trade in valued very fairly, the new car was what the wife wanted, etc.

We only went back and forth three times about the tracker until they went to find the service manager and get him over to "see" about removing it. Another 30 minutes of waiting and, in an act of desperation, I caved and became the reluctant new owner of the dealership's inventory tracking equipment.

miley said:

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It wasn't so much the argument itself but rather the lessons learned.

The wife wanted to be a part of the process which meant dragging the kids along (4 and 6 at the time). The popcorn machine kept them busy for about twenty minutes and their iPad bought me another hour. As the transaction drew on and the kids began to melt away I quickly came to the realization that the upper hand had already been given away.

I should mention that I was happy with all other parameters. Car was priced right, trade in valued very fairly, the new car was what the wife wanted, etc.

We only went back and forth three times about the tracker until they went to find the service manager and get him over to "see" about removing it. Another 30 minutes of waiting and, in an act of desperation, I caved and became the reluctant new owner of the dealership's inventory tracking equipment.

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You story explains why many of us negotiate via email and have a completed bottom line before we set foot in the dealer.

dubi said:

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miley said:

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It wasn't so much the argument itself but rather the lessons learned.

The wife wanted to be a part of the process which meant dragging the kids along (4 and 6 at the time). The popcorn machine kept them busy for about twenty minutes and their iPad bought me another hour. As the transaction drew on and the kids began to melt away I quickly came to the realization that the upper hand had already been given away.

I should mention that I was happy with all other parameters. Car was priced right, trade in valued very fairly, the new car was what the wife wanted, etc.

We only went back and forth three times about the tracker until they went to find the service manager and get him over to "see" about removing it. Another 30 minutes of waiting and, in an act of desperation, I caved and became the reluctant new owner of the dealership's inventory tracking equipment.

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You story explains why many of us negotiate via email and have a completed bottom line before we set foot in the dealer.

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Yeah, that is pretty much their playbook. Get you in there...get you close to a deal...then make you sit around and wait and get bored and frustrated, then come back and hit you up for just a few more things to "make the deal work". You give in because you just want out of there and want it over with, and that is exactly what they are counting on. Next time, when the waiting and haggling starts on their part, just get up and leave and tell them to email you the details when they figure it all out and you will see if anybody else can make a better deal with you in the meantime. They will get it worked out real fast before they let you get up and leave.

Autonation and the big National conglomerate dealers are famous for this.

Texags Auto Board.

Sticking it to the MAN, one thread at a time.

1agswitchin4lanes said:

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Plugs are likely factory plugs for features you don't have.

Unplug at obd port and remove all the extra bs that the gps is attached to.

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Then show us a video of you running that thing over and obliterating it into a 1000 pieces.

**** Apex, and **** Keating, will never set foot in another Keating dealership again.

Finally got around to taking this POS out. 2021 Land Cruiser purchased new from Toyota of Victoria / Keating

Kvwina said:

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What type of data can be collected by these things other than your location??

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It has a SIM card and a gps chip and is plugged into the On board diagnostics port of your car. So a lot.

Picard said:

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APEX removed from a 2017 Expedition. Sort of. I had looked at it a while back and saw the factory diagnostics port with the blue clip and stopped there thinking I was good.

But after this evening I went and checked again and found the in-line fuse. Pulled the panel off below the steering wheel and found APEX zip tied up in there but not plugged into anything.

This was purchased used from a Mac Haik dealership but I don't know why it wasn't connected. Kinda looks like it never was based on the way it was zip tied in there. Well it'll never be connected now.

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Most likely disconnected when the dealer had to reflash or do state inspection