2021 Land Rover Defender - motor trend SUV of the Year?

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91AggieLawyer
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If the reliability is so incredibly bad, why do people buy them

For the same reason people bought POS '80s Chevy Cavaliers and other crappy cars -- styling and similar factors. Even on this forum, reliability is WAY down the list of factors. F150s blow other truck models away in terms of ownership numbers just judging by what members post, with the other domestics coming in 2nd and 3rd, when almost no one argues the import models have much better overall reliability. You mention a Tundra and all you hear is that it looks the same as it did in 2008. You mention a Titan and you hear that the interior "feels" cheap compared to Ford (whatever that means). Even people that have spent significant time at a Ford service department getting hassled about their truck on things Ford couldn't fix get another Ford -- new generation of the same engine, a boost instead of the 5.0 (or vice versa), a gas instead of diesel (or vice versa), etc. It would be one thing if it wasn't consistently the power train having issues but it is that and other things.

While in theory you've asked a good question, the logical answer doesn't explain why people buy or don't buy bad brands or products.
Mark Fairchild
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Max Power: You Sir are Correct, if it ain't an old D90, it is NOT a Defender!! And I have NEVER read a good reliability review of LR's.
Gig'em, Ole Army Class of '70
ILikeTacos
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Took the fam and defender out to Big Bend Ranch State Park last week. I was very impressed with it's comfort and ability to take me and the family way off the paved road and enjoy our time. 110 inverter came in handy for the wife's air mattress and I found out a drop down table for jeeps bolts up in the back so that came in handy as well.


txcincinnatus
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Awesome photos. Went to BBNP in December and drove several of the primitive roads in our GX - had a blast. Hope to make it out to the state park soon. Any issues with pinstriping? Heard the state park's trails are not maintained and overgrown in many areas.
ILikeTacos
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Oh ya, it is now pinstriped to ALL HELL.

Might have to go to the National park next!
ILikeTacos
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Added a roof rack and ladder for better storage for camping trips with the family.

It's really a fun vehicle.
aggieforester05
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Humble brag on the GT 500 sitting in the back ground?
Naveronski
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More impressed with the garage you can park in.
ILikeTacos
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aggieforester05 said:

Humble brag on the GT 500 sitting in the back ground?
Towns03
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Dad's new rig finally made it to Houston! Very cool.

Dr. Nefario
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BlueSmoke said:



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Tim Weaver
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I saw a white one today in the wild. That big square on the rear side window bugs me irl. It looks like a scentsy dealer should put her magnetic sign there.
ILikeTacos
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Tim Weaver said:

I saw a white one today in the wild. That big square on the rear side window bugs me irl. It looks like a scentsy dealer should put her magnetic sign there.
Being in the FB groups and forums for them I am pretty sure someone has.
K Bo
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Two door at my building
BBRex
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That's pretty much exactly what I wanted, but they weren't available when I had to buy.
ILikeTacos
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A little bump here. 7 months into Defender ownership and 16,000 miles later it's still trucking along. When everything works perfectly, it is a really cool vehicle. Unfortunately that is only 80% of the time lol. I don't know how much longer I will keep it but it has been a fun ownership experience!



Dill-Ag13
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Nice. What's gone wrong with it so we can laugh at you?
ILikeTacos
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Dill-Ag13 said:

Nice. What's gone wrong with it so we can laugh at you?
Oh just typical Land Rover things...

1) For about 2 weeks all of the cameras stopped working, then one morning I come out to the vehicle and the software has been updated and the cameras were back. The over the air updates are kind of annoying because every time it updates a couple of things get fixed but something else breaks. It's very microsoft of them.

2) Just had the windshield replaced for the second time in 4 months. It makes the third windshield that has been in the vehicle. Apparently it is a very common problem and something to do with the slope of the windshield?

3) On the bigger motor models (P400), which mine is, the smallest wheel option was a 20" wheel. I thought I will get around to putting smaller wheels on it, just so I am not constantly hitting the wheels on rocks and stuff but it wasn't important because my offroading as seen above is not extreme. Just fire roads to get to campsites. But to put an 18" wheel on the vehicle you have to change the rear calipers, not the fronts. The rear's are bigger than the fronts, for what feels like the first time in vehicle history. Due to the 20" wheels I have now sliced a tire offroading and put rock rash on three of the wheels. Maybe I should stop driving by braille?

4) This is nit picky, but you can't start the car with your phone plugged in for carplay as it will freak out the radio/computer and lock it up completely. Then you can't adjust anything on the radio until you power cycle the vehicle.

5) The keyless entry doesn't work unless you are very close. What I mean is if you have the key in your pocket you have to either dry hump the door or give the door your best hip bump for it to recognize the key is there and to unlock the doors. Dealer says it works, that is just the working radius on all defenders and they don't know why.

6) Car doesn't like to start unless it detects the key in the driver seat or cup holder. Key can't be in the passenger seat to start the car typically, which is no big deal for me, but the wife leaves the keys in her purse and that goes on the passenger seat when she drives a car.


So while it really has been a fun car to own, the little stupid **** takes the ownership enjoyment down a lot. Luckily in this market I can actually exit a land rover without taking a huge cost of ownership hit. Might as well take advantage, but there isn't really another vehicle that checks all of the family boxes like it does. Neither the JL or the new Bronco have the size of the Defender internally, nor do they drive anywhere as nice.
Furlock Bones
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that trailer is 3/4 the price of the Defender.
ILikeTacos
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Furlock Bones said:

that trailer is 3/4 the price of the Defender.
Nah, my defender has more options than the base model.
texrover91
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Mark Fairchild said:

Max Power: You Sir are Correct, if it ain't an old D90, it is NOT a Defender!! And I have NEVER read a good reliability review of LR's.


Hey don't forget the 110 & 130

And the Series 1/2/2a/3

The early Discos and RRC's weren't too bad especially with a 3.5, 3.9, or 4.0 liter V8 - once you move into 4.2 and 4.6 territory top hat liners are a must but a lot of higher HP aluminum V8's especially higher mileage / poor maintenance will be in the same boat eg cooling issues
 
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