bam02 said:
Cannot go wrong either way. Unusual comparison, though, as others have pointed out. You're either getting a great apple or a great orange, as the saying goes.
With the MPG difference you can afford another CVT as well. I'd want an insurance quote for both as well. iihs gives the Outback better safety ratings than the 4Runner.John Francis Donaghy said:
Newer Subarus (post 2012) have a redesigned engine that should reduce the risk of head gasket issues. CVTs are a known weak point. But when I was shopping for my wife an Outback + the cost of a new CVT was still less expensive than a similarly appointed 4 Runner.
Made the decision easy knowing even I had to replace the CVT I was still saving money over the 4 Runner. People love them because they're dependable as hell, but there comes a point where the up front price premium stops justifing the savings on maintenance costs in my book.
In my experience it doesn't depreciate as fast as other luxo suvs. T4Rs seems to hold their value well too.vansprinkle said:
As mentioned, the GX depreciates like crazy, so you can buy a used one with low miles for pretty cheap. Very similar to 4Runner, but much nicer and doesn't hold its value near the same. There is a point where similar 4Runners and GXs will cross in value and the GX will be cheaper, even though it is nearly identical and better in almost every way.
I clicked this expecting it to be the LandCruiser ad.D&C 2002 said:
Interesting and timely thread. I've had a 4Runner, a Tundra, 2 land cruisers, an outback and now a LX. Spent lots of time driving my parent's GX as well. Of all these, we owned the 4 runner the least amount of time. I think we kept it for less than 2 years. It was a rough ride and pretty much the same gas mileage as a land cruiser without the space. Also didn't like the top heavy feel. Wife is currently driving a LX and we are trying to sell her old land cruiser. Also trying to sell my 2015 Outback since I don't drive the miles I use to.
I went with an outback for my work car because I was coming out of another car and wanted something in between a SUV and a car. I use to drive 8-10 hours a day a few days a month with several 3-5 drive hour days sprinkled in. I wanted the comfort, power, handling, space, etc that came with the Outback and I went with the 3.5R Limited. It's been a great car but just doesn't fit our needs anymore. Now that most of my miles are in town I'm driving my truck more and the Outback just sits in the garage.
Just FYI:
https://www.autotrader.com/cars-for-sale/vehicledetails.xhtml?listingId=554335736&LNX=PSEMAILLEAD
Would I chose an Outback over a 4Runner? Totally depends on the situation. However, I probably wouldn't buy another 4Runner again. They are great vehicles and people obviously love them, just not right for us. The GX is certainly nicer but still pretty tight on space and I don't like the back door design. If you are patient you can probably find a used Land Cruiser or LX for close to the same price as a GX. I'm biased - we are Land Cruiser/LX fans. Had 2 land cruisers and one LX and they have all been excellent and much more capable and comfortable than the 4Runner.
We just moved to North Austin. I would say we will probs put 10-12k miles a year. She works remotely from Dallas, but only goes back once a quarter.knoxtom said:
Op, where do you live? How many miles will she drive a year?
Uhhhhhhhh. Can you say BOGO Thursday?D&C 2002 said:
Interesting and timely thread.
Just FYI:
https://www.autotrader.com/cars-for-sale/vehicledetails.xhtml?listingId=554335736&LNX=PSEMAILLEAD
Sorry for the confusion. Here ya go:
https://www.autotrader.com/cars-for-sale/vehicledetails.xhtml?listingId=550743149&zip=78721&referrer=%2Fcars-for-sale%2Fsearchresults.xhtml%3Fzip%3D78721%26listingTypes%3DUSED%26sortBy%3Drelevance%26incremental%3Dall%26firstRecord%3D0%26marketExtension%3Dinclude%26modelCodeList%3DLC%26makeCodeList%3DTOYOTA%26searchRadius%3D50%26isNewSearch%3Dtrue&listingTypes=USED&numRecords=25&firstRecord=0&modelCodeList=LC&makeCodeList=TOYOTA&searchRadius=50&makeCode1=TOYOTA&modelCode1=LC&clickType=listing
AnyOtherName said:We just moved to North Austin. I would say we will probs put 10-12k miles a year. She works remotely from Dallas, but only goes back once a quarter.knoxtom said:
Op, where do you live? How many miles will she drive a year?
This one one of those things where the narrative follows long after the issue is resolved.Cowboy bob said:
It party depends on how long you intend to keep the vehicle. If you are someone who trades when the mileage hits the 100k range, and you like the Subaru, you should be fine. If you are someone like me who drives it until the wheels fall off, puts the wheels back on and then drives some more, the Toyota will be a better bet IMO. What the other have said about the head gaskets problems on the Subaru seem to be very common. Apparently, they are not using Jatco anymore, so maybe their CVTs are better now, but even if so, the Subaru cvt probably won't hold a candle compared to the Toyota transmission.
Didn't they kill the manual in Outbacks (and all non-sport Subies) a couple years ago?Rocky Top Aggie said:
Outback and Jeep are in the mix because of the availability of a manual transmission. They also have enough space for what I need.
What about manual transmission Subarus? Do they hold up well?
OIC. Just don't go back to 2009 cause that's when Outbacks had head gasket issues.Rocky Top Aggie said:
We're looking at used and new.
D&C 2002 said:
Interesting and timely thread. I've had a 4Runner, a Tundra, 2 land cruisers, an outback and now a LX. Spent lots of time driving my parent's GX as well. Of all these, we owned the 4 runner the least amount of time. I think we kept it for less than 2 years. It was a rough ride and pretty much the same gas mileage as a land cruiser without the space. Also didn't like the top heavy feel. Wife is currently driving a LX and we are trying to sell her old land cruiser. Also trying to sell my 2015 Outback since I don't drive the miles I use to.
I went with an outback for my work car because I was coming out of another car and wanted something in between a SUV and a car. I use to drive 8-10 hours a day a few days a month with several 3-5 drive hour days sprinkled in. I wanted the comfort, power, handling, space, etc that came with the Outback and I went with the 3.5R Limited. It's been a great car but just doesn't fit our needs anymore. Now that most of my miles are in town I'm driving my truck more and the Outback just sits in the garage.
Just FYI:
https://www.autotrader.com/cars-for-sale/vehicledetails.xhtml?listingId=554335736&LNX=PSEMAILLEAD
Would I chose an Outback over a 4Runner? Totally depends on the situation. However, I probably wouldn't buy another 4Runner again. They are great vehicles and people obviously love them, just not right for us. The GX is certainly nicer but still pretty tight on space and I don't like the back door design. If you are patient you can probably find a used Land Cruiser or LX for close to the same price as a GX. I'm biased - we are Land Cruiser/LX fans. Had 2 land cruisers and one LX and they have all been excellent and much more capable and comfortable than the 4Runner.
My in laws have this and it has quite a lot of juice.moo said:
I've owned two 4Runners and an Outback. We bought the Outback for my wife for the first kid transporter. I was impressed with the fit and finish of the Outback when we got it. I felt like we got a lot of bang for the buck with the Subie, but we definitely felt it was underpowered with the 4 cylinder engine. When my sister bought an Outback, she took our advice and got the 3.6L engine and it made a lot of difference in powering the vehicle. We ended up selling our Outback much sooner than I had hoped (third kid meant we needed more room).
I'm on my second 4Runner now and it just works for me. Reliability is well known and I enjoy the ride, ruggedness and also the finish out of the newest model. I've started modding this one more than I did my first. I can attest to the notable nose dive in the current model, but I also switched out to Bilstein shocks (5160/6112 combo) and that has helped a ton while also improving the overall stance when I leveled the front.
I'd recommend both cars depending on what you want to do with them. The Outback is a smoother ride (more car like, while also having more clearance), but the 4Runner is a bit more fun in my book.
bam02 said:
V6?
Well?!AnyOtherName said:
Really considering this. Going to look at it this week...thoughts for the Subaru peeps? Kind of gives us the TRD feel. Wife is all about it.
2018 Limited Outback with some add ons at the Subaru dealership. Little higher mileage @55k, but not terrible. Price makes up for the mileage. Any idea how the lift and BFG's effect the mileage/drive/maintenance?
