Jugstore Cowboy said:

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Where do you suppose the state gets money?

For the largest city in the state?

Would it make you happier if they called it a statewide bond and let the rest of the state vote down all Houston area bonds?

Do a little research on the great local control of HISD.
How many wonderfully elected public servants have been indicted for taking kickbacks on the contracts they dole out? How many admins? We know that's why the local Democrat machine is opposing this, after years of telling us that more funding was all HISD needed.

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The State of Texas now controls HISD. Not the taxpayers who pay property taxes towards HISD

Republicans and Dems BOTH are opposed to this bond issue.

voted no

digging tunnels said:

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I early voted today. My favorite part of voting for these bonds was the final sentence in each proposition that I don't recall ever seeing before:

"this will increase your property taxes."

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They always have.

The fact that supers can come out and use word salads and talk about tax rates instead of actual taxes is garbage. But unfortunately people are stupid and think somehow giving a taxing authority a few billion magically doesn't increase taxes.

Didn't read, but eff school bond issues. Every one.

Ducks4brkfast said:

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htxag09 said:

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I just find the "no trust, no bond" signs quite comical.

So you really trusted HISD the last 10+ years?

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HISD hasn't passed a bond since 2012...?

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Correct...IIRC, previous bond failures were blamed on the mis-trust of the elected board and all the infighting.

Man it seems like more recently....

And according to copilot this is the first ballot since that 2012 one....so none have failed since then either

htxag09 said:

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Man it seems like more recently....

And according to copilot this is the first ballot since that 2012 one....so none have failed since then either

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It's a complete lose / lose scenario.

Horrible management leads to horrible results. State steps in and removes horrible management to wailing and gnashing of teeth from the left and does exactly what anyone would expect. They put a ax man in to hammer on the bad. People get mad at the person who's doing what needs to be done and say outlandish things like Miles is somehow worse than the incompetent leadership and teacher unions that created the mess.

The people that were all for the state taking over HISD are now against the funds to fix it. So it will sit in a state of purgatory.

The only winner is private schools.

There is no fixing it. Not with money, anyway.

Not surprinsigly, sounds like there's "more to the story" with the Harvard principal deal mentioend above.

Completely agree with that. It's way too big.

MAS444 said:

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Not surprinsigly, sounds like there's "more to the story" with the Harvard principal deal mentioend above.

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BillYeoman said:

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AggieT said:

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There is no fixing it. Not with money, anyway.

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Agree. The only thing I can think of is to break up HISD. Even carve out high schools and give them to other surrounding districts. HISD is way too big with different political machines at odds.

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Not only is it way too big, it's way too....urban.

And, like it or not, just about every institution out there that has the same demographic makeup and political makeup with the managing directors ends up in the same situation.

htxag09 said:

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Man it seems like more recently....

And according to copilot this is the first ballot since that 2012 one....so none have failed since then either

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You/copilot is correct. I was mis-remembering.

A bond was in the process of being put together a few years ago but the admin got feedback that it would not pass so they dropped it.

Sadly - interest rates were lower then and would have been a better time to let the grifters take out the loans!

Sad that libs that want to punish Miles are making the children suffer.

mortal said:

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Sad that libs that want to punish Miles are making the children suffer.

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It is sad that we put people in charge of a school district that have no business running a McDonalds, much less a $2 Billion a year company.

Yes, the HISD annual budget is over $2,000,000,000,000 a year. You should have a Fortune 500 CEO running something that size, not someone without any corporate or finance experience. I would expect him to have a doctorate in administration at a minimum, but it does not appear he has any qualifications for handling a budget this large.

Berkeley - Bachelor's degree
West Point - Bachelor's degree in engineering
Columbia - Master's degree in international affairs and public policy

MAS444 said:

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Not surprinsigly, sounds like there's "more to the story" with the Harvard principal deal mentioend above.

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let's hear it

Bondag said:

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mortal said:

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Sad that libs that want to punish Miles are making the children suffer.

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It is sad that we put people in charge of a school district that have no business running a McDonalds, much less a $2 Billion a year company.

Yes, the HISD annual budget is over $2,000,000,000,000 a year. You should have a Fortune 500 CEO running something that size, not someone without any corporate or finance experience. I would expect him to have a doctorate in administration at a minimum, but it does not appear he has any qualifications for handling a budget this large.

Berkeley - Bachelor's degree
West Point - Bachelor's degree in engineering
Columbia - Master's degree in international affairs and public policy

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Well, he's cut fat from personnel, and spite of what you see posted here, he has identified and detailed where the bond monies would go.

What else would you have him do in this case, Bondag? Collect more little pieces of "graduation" paper? Check his CV.

wessimo said:

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MAS444 said:

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Not surprinsigly, sounds like there's "more to the story" with the Harvard principal deal mentioend above.

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let's hear it

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Well, the generic statement from HISD did point out that employees should do what their boss states should be done. And that employees should not have numerous unexplained absences. The statement didn't mention the principal by name.

I got a flier last night that basically said it's law for the ballot to say your tax dollars would increase because of this bond but it would actually not raise your taxes at all.

Is this a case of playing with future/funny money and the idea that when past bonds are paid off our taxes will stay the same vs. dropping (but not increasing)?

How else does a $4.4 billion (closer to $9 after considering interest) bond not raise taxes?

mortal said:

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wessimo said:

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MAS444 said:

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Not surprinsigly, sounds like there's "more to the story" with the Harvard principal deal mentioend above.

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let's hear it

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Well, the generic statement from HISD did point out that employees should do what their boss states should be done. And that employees should not have numerous unexplained absences. The statement didn't mention the principal by name.

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So she was frequently going AWOL? That's it? I figured it was something more salacious.

wessimo said:

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mortal said:

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wessimo said:

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MAS444 said:

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Not surprinsigly, sounds like there's "more to the story" with the Harvard principal deal mentioend above.

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let's hear it

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Well, the generic statement from HISD did point out that employees should do what their boss states should be done. And that employees should not have numerous unexplained absences. The statement didn't mention the principal by name.

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So she was frequently going AWOL? That's it? I figured it was something more salacious.

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It could be something else. Notice that the former principal is being very, very quiet.

Bondag said:

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mortal said:

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Sad that libs that want to punish Miles are making the children suffer.

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It is sad that we put people in charge of a school district that have no business running a McDonalds, much less a $2 Billion a year company.

Yes, the HISD annual budget is over $2,000,000,000,000 a year. You should have a Fortune 500 CEO running something that size, not someone without any corporate or finance experience. I would expect him to have a doctorate in administration at a minimum, but it does not appear he has any qualifications for handling a budget this large.

Berkeley - Bachelor's degree
West Point - Bachelor's degree in engineering
Columbia - Master's degree in international affairs and public policy

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But not 2 trillion.

Diggity said:

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if vouchers are the end game for Abbott and his buddies, I don't know how much sense it makes to pump money into a district that they seem hell bent on dismantling.

this is one area where the libs and I will agree.

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Stop bringing logic in to this...I want pitchforks!

Not all bond proposals are bad Waller ISD has one for $700+ million to build 2 new elementary schools, a new junior high, and a new HS because the district is expected to triple in enrollment in the next 10 years.

Vouchers would never replace public schools. The population is still going to require new construction and upgrades.

The differences from campus to campus in HISD are pretty wild, even at the elementary level.