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Texaggie7nine said:

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CDUB98 said:

Finally got Google to let me street view.

Yeah, if some disgruntled former employee or a terrorist ******* wanted to ram a care into the valve station using the matte road, it would be an easy, straight shot.
The valve station is about 50' off of Spencer Highway with only a chain link fence around it.

Could have been an idiot doing 65 and worrying about their instagram and ran off the road or something as simple as that. There isn't anything there that would stop a vehicle that was out of control or whatever.
Seems like it would be a no brainer to put up car stopping barriers around vulnerable exposed pipes that close to a major road.
It would take an especially dumb dumbass to hit that valve OR, as cledus posted, a very determined driver.

It like wasn't even brought up in a risk review due to it's location....but probably should have been.
Hoyt Ag
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Being that the line is NGLs, a vapor cloud could have been in the vicinity and a passing car could have ignited it.
Ronnie
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Static charge from the escaping fluid more likely.
CDUB98
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Ronnie said:

Static charge from the escaping fluid more likely.
CDUB98
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Well, learn something new every day.

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Electric charges can build up on an object or liquid when certain liquids (e.g., petroleum solvents, fuels) move in contact with other materials. This charge can occur when liquids are poured, pumped, filtered, agitated, stirred or flow through pipes. This buildup of electrical charge is called static electricity. Even when liquids are transported or handled in non-conductive containers, something rubbing the outside surface of the container may cause a static charge to build up in the liquid. The amount of charge that develops depends, in part, on how much liquid is involved, and how fast it is flowing or is being agitated or stirred.

https://www.ccohs.ca/oshanswers/chemicals/static-electricity.html
Hoyt Ag
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Agreed, just pointing out other potential causes not stated already.
Sea Speed
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The connection to energy transfer due to the Greenpeace lawsuit is pretty wild. ecoterrorism was not something I was thinking about when I saw this thread but I'll be damned that it seems plausible.
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CDUB98 said:

Well, learn something new every day.

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Electric charges can build up on an object or liquid when certain liquids (e.g., petroleum solvents, fuels) move in contact with other materials. This charge can occur when liquids are poured, pumped, filtered, agitated, stirred or flow through pipes. This buildup of electrical charge is called static electricity. Even when liquids are transported or handled in non-conductive containers, something rubbing the outside surface of the container may cause a static charge to build up in the liquid. The amount of charge that develops depends, in part, on how much liquid is involved, and how fast it is flowing or is being agitated or stirred.

https://www.ccohs.ca/oshanswers/chemicals/static-electricity.html
Is this like the warnings posted everywhere before you pump your gas?
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CFTXAG10 said:

CDUB98 said:

Well, learn something new every day.

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Electric charges can build up on an object or liquid when certain liquids (e.g., petroleum solvents, fuels) move in contact with other materials. This charge can occur when liquids are poured, pumped, filtered, agitated, stirred or flow through pipes. This buildup of electrical charge is called static electricity. Even when liquids are transported or handled in non-conductive containers, something rubbing the outside surface of the container may cause a static charge to build up in the liquid. The amount of charge that develops depends, in part, on how much liquid is involved, and how fast it is flowing or is being agitated or stirred.

https://www.ccohs.ca/oshanswers/chemicals/static-electricity.html
Is this like the warnings posted everywhere before you pump your gas?
No
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CFTXAG10 said:

CDUB98 said:

Well, learn something new every day.

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Electric charges can build up on an object or liquid when certain liquids (e.g., petroleum solvents, fuels) move in contact with other materials. This charge can occur when liquids are poured, pumped, filtered, agitated, stirred or flow through pipes. This buildup of electrical charge is called static electricity. Even when liquids are transported or handled in non-conductive containers, something rubbing the outside surface of the container may cause a static charge to build up in the liquid. The amount of charge that develops depends, in part, on how much liquid is involved, and how fast it is flowing or is being agitated or stirred.

https://www.ccohs.ca/oshanswers/chemicals/static-electricity.html
Is this like the warnings posted everywhere before you pump your gas?
Being right under those Centerpoint lines is interesting too. Under the right conditions, you can generate a charge in a piece of equipment that can arc when grounded just by moving an object across the field generated by the power lines. We had a driller receive a shock one time from moving a rig with the mast up while near some high voltage lines. He was outside of the distance specified by the line owners, but when he walked up to grab the rig controls after moving the rig, he grounded the charge that had built up by the rig from moving the mast within the electric field generated by the current in the lines.
CFTXAG10
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Holy ****
BayAg_14
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I bet that tickled.
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CDUB98 said:

CFTXAG10 said:

CDUB98 said:

Well, learn something new every day.

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Electric charges can build up on an object or liquid when certain liquids (e.g., petroleum solvents, fuels) move in contact with other materials. This charge can occur when liquids are poured, pumped, filtered, agitated, stirred or flow through pipes. This buildup of electrical charge is called static electricity. Even when liquids are transported or handled in non-conductive containers, something rubbing the outside surface of the container may cause a static charge to build up in the liquid. The amount of charge that develops depends, in part, on how much liquid is involved, and how fast it is flowing or is being agitated or stirred.

https://www.ccohs.ca/oshanswers/chemicals/static-electricity.html
Is this like the warnings posted everywhere before you pump your gas?
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Yes? Isn't this why you fill containers on the ground and not the bed of a truck?

Also why things should be bonded and grounded.
CDUB98
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AggieT said:

CDUB98 said:

CFTXAG10 said:

CDUB98 said:

Well, learn something new every day.

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Electric charges can build up on an object or liquid when certain liquids (e.g., petroleum solvents, fuels) move in contact with other materials. This charge can occur when liquids are poured, pumped, filtered, agitated, stirred or flow through pipes. This buildup of electrical charge is called static electricity. Even when liquids are transported or handled in non-conductive containers, something rubbing the outside surface of the container may cause a static charge to build up in the liquid. The amount of charge that develops depends, in part, on how much liquid is involved, and how fast it is flowing or is being agitated or stirred.

https://www.ccohs.ca/oshanswers/chemicals/static-electricity.html
Is this like the warnings posted everywhere before you pump your gas?
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Yes? Isn't this why you fill containers on the ground and not the bed of a truck?

Also why things should be bonded and grounded.
No.

The warnings at the pump are from static charge built from our movements and the plastic container. Clothes, car seat, etc. Plastics easily generate static charges, so if not grounded, the charge dissipates elsewhere.
txags92
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BayAg_14 said:

I bet that tickled.
It was apparently a good shock, but didn't cause any serious injury. It certainly got his attention.
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CDUB98 said:

Texaggie7nine said:

schmellba99 said:

CDUB98 said:

Finally got Google to let me street view.

Yeah, if some disgruntled former employee or a terrorist ******* wanted to ram a care into the valve station using the matte road, it would be an easy, straight shot.
The valve station is about 50' off of Spencer Highway with only a chain link fence around it.

Could have been an idiot doing 65 and worrying about their instagram and ran off the road or something as simple as that. There isn't anything there that would stop a vehicle that was out of control or whatever.
Seems like it would be a no brainer to put up car stopping barriers around vulnerable exposed pipes that close to a major road.
It would take an especially dumb dumbass to hit that valve OR, as cledus posted, a very determined driver.

It like wasn't even brought up in a risk review due to it's location....but probably should have been.
So about 97% of all drivers on the road, and about 99.4% of all drivers in the greater Houston area.
Furlock Bones
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We have some high voltage transmission lines at the front gate of our hunting lease. A couple of times I have had the gate zap me.
Marvin_Zindler
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Do we really think any of the local journos or Dora have the first clue about how gas pipelines work?
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Marvin_Zindler said:

Do we really think any of the local journos or Dora have the first clue about how gas pipelines work?
Dora's out of town on a "previously planned trip."
redaszag99
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From what I can tell, that is a below grade valve. They aren't very common. Basically, the only thing above ground is the stem and actuator/hand wheel. It also looks like there are a couple of pressure transmitters at the site.

It looked like the fire was coming directly out of the ground so the car likely hit one of these.

If I wanted to cause something like this to happen with my car, I can't think of a better thing to run over.
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CDUB98 said:

Texaggie7nine said:

schmellba99 said:

CDUB98 said:

Finally got Google to let me street view.

Yeah, if some disgruntled former employee or a terrorist ******* wanted to ram a care into the valve station using the matte road, it would be an easy, straight shot.
The valve station is about 50' off of Spencer Highway with only a chain link fence around it.

Could have been an idiot doing 65 and worrying about their instagram and ran off the road or something as simple as that. There isn't anything there that would stop a vehicle that was out of control or whatever.
Seems like it would be a no brainer to put up car stopping barriers around vulnerable exposed pipes that close to a major road.
It would take an especially dumb dumbass to hit that valve OR, as cledus posted, a very determined driver.

It like wasn't even brought up in a risk review due to it's location....but probably should have been.


Don't know why they don't have a big pipe bullpen around it.
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Hoyt Ag
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You know the controller working the Sandhills desk was puckered up all day.
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It's 100 yards and two fences between that parking lot and the valve. I don't see how you accidentally pull that off. And I don't see someone having a medical emergency staying on the accelerator long enough to be that lucky to make it either.
aggiedrew08
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Could it have been someone who thought they were just gonna tear around an open field not knowing those valves were there?
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Mathguy64 said:

It's 100 yards and two fences between that parking lot and the valve. I don't see how you accidentally pull that off. And I don't see someone having a medical emergency staying on the accelerator long enough to be that lucky to make it either.
Wake up sheeple.
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Yeah, we will really never know the truth.
Sea Speed
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Of all places I expected to be today, this absolutely wasn't one of them.
redaszag99
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The article is poorly worded. I think that they came off of Spencer
CDUB98
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redaszag99 said:

The article is poorly worded. I think that they came off of Spencer


Agree. Coming off Spencer would give a good angle to it.
Al Bula
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Don't they call an industrial fire in La Porte a Wednesday?
Sea Speed
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In more automotive craziness today, Sabine waterway is closed because there's a car in the water.
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Sea Speed said:

Of all places I expected to be today, this absolutely wasn't one of them.

Too bad you didn't have any HEB gourmet hotdogs and and a long metal rod to cook the hot dogs…that would really piss Green Peace off if someone was there roasting some dogs
Cibalo
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This is from the last time Deer Park caught fire but still applies.
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Mathguy64 said:

It's 100 yards and two fences between that parking lot and the valve. I don't see how you accidentally pull that off. And I don't see someone having a medical emergency staying on the accelerator long enough to be that lucky to make it either.
they're saying it was an elderly person. when grandma gets confused and panics i can see her mashing the gas instead of the brake, its not that unusual.
 
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