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1:37p, 7/26/24
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I'm was born in Houston and have lived the majority of my life here, but I've also live on the west coast, east coast, and the Midwest.

I am leaving. 18 months and I'm retiring.

Bought a house in the Hill Country for the winters and when we sell our Houston house, thinking of northern Michigan on the water. Was up there in July. Low 60's at night and the hottest day we had was 76. Golf……fish…..hike…….drink…….
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2:24p, 7/26/24
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I think the more that I age, the more I'm done with any big city, it's not just Houston.
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Charlie Murphy
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2:39p, 7/26/24
If Houston has more outdoor activities and slightly better weather it would be fine.
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2:44p, 7/26/24
I moved here to get married but I'd bail in a heartbeat. Last August was too much.
If you say you hate the state of politics in this nation and you don't get involved in it, you obviously don't hate the state of politics in this nation.
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In reply to BSD • 2:45p, 7/26/24
True. Its not just Houston, but it's also especially Houston
John 6 22:59 The Bread of Life Discourse
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In reply to Charlie Murphy • 2:58p, 7/26/24
Charlie Murphy said:
If Houston has more outdoor activities and slightly better weather it would be fine.


What activities do you want that Houston doesn't have?
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In reply to TarponChaser • 3:08p, 7/26/24
TarponChaser said:
Charlie Murphy said:
If Houston has more outdoor activities and slightly better weather it would be fine.


What activities do you want that Houston doesn't have?


For me, running trails and hiking 14ers in places like Cloudcroft, Taos, or Leadville. Doing things outdoors in the summer. At least I live on the good looking side of Houston, but that blows chunks when the trees attack us every few years.

Can't imagine how butt ugly it would be in Katy or Sugar Land.
94chem,
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3:29p, 7/26/24
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I'm leaving next month after 40+ years of living here. Over it.
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In reply to 94chem • 3:45p, 7/26/24
94chem said:
TarponChaser said:
Charlie Murphy said:
If Houston has more outdoor activities and slightly better weather it would be fine.


What activities do you want that Houston doesn't have?


For me, running trails and hiking 14ers in places like Cloudcroft, Taos, or Leadville. Doing things outdoors in the summer. At least I live on the good looking side of Houston, but that blows chunks when the trees attack us every few years.

Can't imagine how butt ugly it would be in Katy or Sugar Land.

But you can't do that in 90% of the rest of the country either. And you can do stuff outside in the summer here. I do it all the time.
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In reply to TarponChaser • 3:54p, 7/26/24
TarponChaser said:
Charlie Murphy said:
If Houston has more outdoor activities and slightly better weather it would be fine.


What activities do you want that Houston doesn't have?
Honestly just better beaches and a spring fed cool river or two would be a game changer. We have dirty ass toxic bayous and a flat shallow shelf of brown water that isn't even pleasant to get in most of the summer. And we enjoy going to Galveston and Bolivar from time to time. But it's complete crap, as far as beaches go.
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In reply to aggiedent • 3:57p, 7/26/24
I'm scouting Michigan and Wisconsin too. Im about 5 years out of my leaving Houston plan. Interim is finding some kind of base in Texas but majority of time outside
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In reply to terradactylexpress • 3:59p, 7/26/24
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terradactylexpress said:
Born here. Think about leaving weekly, be it heat or storms or ****ty weather or lack of enjoyable outdoor activities.

Stay because of a variety of reasons but have no plans to die in the hellhole
agreed. The outdoor activities is what gets me mostly. NB was so much better in that regard.
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94chem
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In reply to TarponChaser • 4:01p, 7/26/24
TarponChaser said:
94chem said:
TarponChaser said:
Charlie Murphy said:
If Houston has more outdoor activities and slightly better weather it would be fine.


What activities do you want that Houston doesn't have?


For me, running trails and hiking 14ers in places like Cloudcroft, Taos, or Leadville. Doing things outdoors in the summer. At least I live on the good looking side of Houston, but that blows chunks when the trees attack us every few years.

Can't imagine how butt ugly it would be in Katy or Sugar Land.

But you can't do that in 90% of the rest of the country either. And you can do stuff outside in the summer here. I do it all the time.


Yeah, but I'm posting right now from a kayak in Michigan. Now way I'm doing that right now in Houston. And it would be nice to have a night time temperature below 80. And a river that you can actually go in. And Braums. Why can't Braums come to Houston. Gosh, I know I'll catch heck for this, but Whataburger sucks.
94chem,
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94chem
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In reply to TarponChaser • 4:03p, 7/26/24
Yeah, I know you can do stuff outside. I'm an acclimatized marathoner. But it still sucks. Houston is the hottest place in the entire US.
94chem,
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In reply to 94chem • 4:04p, 7/26/24
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94chem said:
TarponChaser said:
94chem said:
TarponChaser said:
Charlie Murphy said:
If Houston has more outdoor activities and slightly better weather it would be fine.


What activities do you want that Houston doesn't have?


For me, running trails and hiking 14ers in places like Cloudcroft, Taos, or Leadville. Doing things outdoors in the summer. At least I live on the good looking side of Houston, but that blows chunks when the trees attack us every few years.

Can't imagine how butt ugly it would be in Katy or Sugar Land.

But you can't do that in 90% of the rest of the country either. And you can do stuff outside in the summer here. I do it all the time.


Yeah, but I'm posting right now from a kayak in Michigan. Now way I'm doing that right now in Houston. And it would be nice to have a night time temperature below 80. And a river that you can actually go in. And Braums. Why can't Braums come to Houston. Gosh, I know I'll catch heck for this, but Whataburger sucks.

And I was just talking to a couple guys from Michigan and their parents are planning to move south because they can't handle the winters anymore. Or at least they don't want to.
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In reply to El Gallo Blanco • 4:26p, 7/26/24
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You realize we've had that stuff since the beginning of time.

Those aren't things that have sprung up recently that you all of a sudden can't deal with. You knew what you were getting into.

That's what strikes me about this whole conversation. The things most are bltching about have always been here.
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In reply to Ag_07 • 4:29p, 7/26/24
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Ag_07 said:
You realize we've had that stuff since the beginning of time.

Those aren't things that have sprung up recently that you all of a sudden can't deal with. You knew what you were getting into.

That's what strikes me about this whole conversation. The things most are bltching about have always been here.
sure, but the importance of things change as life progresses.
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In reply to 94chem • 4:33p, 7/26/24
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94chem said:
TarponChaser said:
Charlie Murphy said:
If Houston has more outdoor activities and slightly better weather it would be fine.


What activities do you want that Houston doesn't have?


For me, running trails and hiking 14ers in places like Cloudcroft, Taos, or Leadville. Doing things outdoors in the summer. At least I live on the good looking side of Houston, but that blows chunks when the trees attack us every few years.

Can't imagine how butt ugly it would be in Katy or Sugar Land.
Hate to tell you, but you're not hiking any "14ers" near Cloudcroft or Taos either.
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In reply to Ag06Law • 4:34p, 7/26/24
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Ag06Law said:
94chem said:
TarponChaser said:
Charlie Murphy said:
If Houston has more outdoor activities and slightly better weather it would be fine.


What activities do you want that Houston doesn't have?


For me, running trails and hiking 14ers in places like Cloudcroft, Taos, or Leadville. Doing things outdoors in the summer. At least I live on the good looking side of Houston, but that blows chunks when the trees attack us every few years.

Can't imagine how butt ugly it would be in Katy or Sugar Land.
Hate to tell you, but you're not hiking any "14ers" near Cloudcroft or Taos either.
wheeler is over 13,000'. Close enough
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In reply to BSD • 4:39p, 7/26/24
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BSD said:
I think the more that I age, the more I'm done with any big city, it's not just Houston.
Yep. And every time I go to one that similar in size, I'm reminded of that.


It's not just affordability even though Houston is better than most other big cities in that regard. It's all the things larger cities provide in general.

  • The arts (museums, theaters, botanical gardens, etc.)
  • Health care (tier one facilities in addition to MD Anderson and such)
  • Definitely the food. It really sucks in other places including other big cities
  • Sports teams and other universities (all the pro sports and cheap opportunities for PGA / LIV tournaments, college sports at UofH and Rice, etc).
  • Education (our kids go the same private school I did growing up)
  • Ease of travel through 2 large airports without having to connect or lay over
  • Community. Houston is a jumbo city full of neighborhoods that are people's identity. Our neighborhood was developed in the 1960's and '70s and it's amazing between the moms groups, beer club, holiday events, etc.
  • And family. My kids have great grandparents, grandparents, uncles and aunts all here. Most within 3 miles and grandparents within 4 blocks.

We talk about heading somewhere prettier or cooler. But everytime we do we realize it isn't cheaper to get a comparable place and we lose out on most of the above. And considering we think many of those are important for the our kids childhood, we haven't moved yet.
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In reply to TheWoodlandsTxAg • 4:43p, 7/26/24
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That's all? I dream about leaving all the time.
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In reply to Ag06Law • 4:44p, 7/26/24
Ag06Law said:
94chem said:
TarponChaser said:
Charlie Murphy said:
If Houston has more outdoor activities and slightly better weather it would be fine.


What activities do you want that Houston doesn't have?


For me, running trails and hiking 14ers in places like Cloudcroft, Taos, or Leadville. Doing things outdoors in the summer. At least I live on the good looking side of Houston, but that blows chunks when the trees attack us every few years.

Can't imagine how butt ugly it would be in Katy or Sugar Land.
Hate to tell you, but you're not hiking any "14ers" near Cloudcroft or Taos either.


Duh. Read.
94chem,
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In reply to Ragoo • 4:46p, 7/26/24
Ragoo said:
Ag06Law said:
94chem said:
TarponChaser said:
Charlie Murphy said:
If Houston has more outdoor activities and slightly better weather it would be fine.


What activities do you want that Houston doesn't have?


For me, running trails and hiking 14ers in places like Cloudcroft, Taos, or Leadville. Doing things outdoors in the summer. At least I live on the good looking side of Houston, but that blows chunks when the trees attack us every few years.

Can't imagine how butt ugly it would be in Katy or Sugar Land.
Hate to tell you, but you're not hiking any "14ers" near Cloudcroft or Taos either.
wheeler is over 13,000'. Close enough


Yeah, did the Rim Trail in Cloudcroft 3 summers ago, Wheeler 2 summers ago, and Elbert and Massive last summer. Want to go do Whitney in the next few years. I just don't like tactical stuff.
94chem,
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4:48p, 7/26/24
Yeah most places have a downside, here locally you have:

Pros:
Golf most the year, although summer is rough
Decent amount of fishing closeish
Long seasons for kid sports (baseball,football,etc)

Cons:
No winter activities
No lakes/rivers close by that you would want to use(SLC, Austin, etc)
Limited hiking that's not on trail
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4:51p, 7/26/24
Houston is a great place to eat dinner, go to museums, or have cancer. It's also really nice from October through March.

Then it's allergy, flood, hurricane, windstorm, humidity hell, unwalkable woods, and critters, offset slightly by a occasional pan full of backyard channel cats or Galveston blue crabs.
94chem,
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In reply to 94chem • 4:59p, 7/26/24
94chem said:
TarponChaser said:
94chem said:
TarponChaser said:
Charlie Murphy said:
If Houston has more outdoor activities and slightly better weather it would be fine.


What activities do you want that Houston doesn't have?


For me, running trails and hiking 14ers in places like Cloudcroft, Taos, or Leadville. Doing things outdoors in the summer. At least I live on the good looking side of Houston, but that blows chunks when the trees attack us every few years.

Can't imagine how butt ugly it would be in Katy or Sugar Land.

But you can't do that in 90% of the rest of the country either. And you can do stuff outside in the summer here. I do it all the time.


Yeah, but I'm posting right now from a kayak in Michigan. Now way I'm doing that right now in Houston. And it would be nice to have a night time temperature below 80. And a river that you can actually go in. And Braums. Why can't Braums come to Houston. Gosh, I know I'll catch heck for this, but Whataburger sucks.

You ever been up there in December or January? I have and I'll take being miserably hot from July to late September over the kind of cold they get up there from November to March or April. Hell, more than once in my lifetime there have been blizzards in April in southern Ohio at the respective farms where my parents grew up. Fuuuuuuuuuuck that.
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5:00p, 7/26/24
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I grew up in Houston, had a career after A&M with a Houston based Company and thought I'd always be in Houston. Lived many years in Clear Lake with lots of great things to do. Lived last years in the Heights with a short drive to work downtown. Really liked the area and all the things to do not only in the Heights but all over Houston. Bought a house in the Hill Country about the time Houston started to "wear" on me. Traffic and the drivers kept getting worse, politicians and their decisions and corruption, and got tired of my truck getting broken into or catalytic converters getting stolen (just once, bought the plate). Retired last year and moved permanently to our house in Fredericksburg. Have to admit, not missing Houston. Lots to do here, people are fantastic, courteous and polite, and not much crime. Plus, there's a great A&M Former Student Club.

Note: I know a lot of politicians don't follow the Aggie Code of Honor, but you got to admit Turner and Dora and Ellis take it to the highest level.
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5:05p, 7/26/24
Only 57%?
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In reply to TarponChaser • 5:18p, 7/26/24
Yeah, but there is a middle ground. I went to grad school in Chapel Hill, NC. My daughter lives in Atlanta. Both places have seasons, and the climate of both destroys Houston.

Albuquerque, Santa Fe, Nashville, Charlotte, Little Rock...none are perfect, but all are better than Houston.
94chem,
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10:47p, 7/26/24
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I don't have it nailed down yet, but I think I want to retire someplace between Helen, Ga., and Louisville, Ky. Get to experience all four seasons, but not so far north that you get six months of winter. I have 10 years to retirement, and my wife is about the same. She grew up in the Hill Country, so getting her out of Texas will be difficult. We both love Texas, but Houston has me thinking about moving out of state.
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12:19a, 7/27/24
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I'm 58 and was born and raised in Houston. It was an awesome place to grow up. Work took me away for good in 2004 and I haven't returned. I have lived in smaller communities since 2006 and won't live in a big city ever again. I enjoy visiting as I live close by in College Station; I'm not sure I could go back and live there. However, I'm not sure I could live anywhere bigger than CS so I'm not sure it's a Houston thing.

But, man, it was a fantastic place to grow up. I know it's not like that anymore and it makes me sad.
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In reply to SnowboardAg • 5:38a, 7/27/24
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SnowboardAg said:
Only thing keeping me here is career. Houston is a large job camp. Difficult finding comparable careers in other cities with a similar cost of living. As soon as I retire, I'm out.
this. I think every day about going back to Fort Worth or East Texas. The problem is duplicating a similar situation
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In reply to TitanAGGIE09 • 6:01a, 7/27/24
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SnowboardAg said:
Only thing keeping me here is career. Houston is a large job camp. Difficult finding comparable careers in other cities with a similar cost of living. As soon as I retire, I'm out.
this. I think every day about going back to Fort Worth or East Texas. The problem is duplicating a similar situation


I grew up in Fort Worth. My back yard was Tandy Hills Park. Even in the summer when it was beastly hot, there wasn't the life sucking humidity. There was a crisp first day of fall in early October. Leaves fell in November. You had to sleep with a blanket in winter. But...they don't make a lot of petrochemicals there...
94chem,
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7:01a, 7/27/24
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I love Houston. Came here after A&M and have enjoyed it for most part. But that said, the older I get the more I realize this is not where I will retire and/or the more I want to be closer to some of my hobbies, mainly access to hiking. I have a great career here, but am already trying to figure out where too next once the opportunity presents itself. We are fortunate with two major airports to get anywhere you want, so bugging out as much as possible on weekends/my wfh-hybrid schedule seems to get me by until then.. but I would feel that way in most mega cities, so Houston isnt unique in that regard.
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In reply to TX04Aggie • 7:34a, 7/27/24
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TX04Aggie said:
I love Houston. Came here after A&M and have enjoyed it for most part. But that said, the older I get the more I realize this is not where I will retire and/or the more I want to be closer to some of my hobbies, mainly access to hiking. I have a great career here, but am already trying to figure out where too next once the opportunity presents itself. We are fortunate with two major airports to get anywhere you want, so bugging out as much as possible on weekends/my wfh-hybrid schedule seems to get me by until then.. but I would feel that way in most mega cities, so Houston isnt unique in that regard.


Agree. After traveling more the past 10 years I've seen much nicer places and will be leaving once we retire too. Houston itself has really gone downhill the past decade or so. Outlying areas are still ok for the most part.
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