So much delusion.

Murray Newman said:

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Well, you've got a manpower shortage with HPD that led to them shelving thousands and thousands of cases and you've got a DA's Office that loses about 40% of the cases that they take to trial. It's not great.

Pretty sure that liberalism isn't the primary cause of it.

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Don't bring facts to an argument that people think the only solution to is turning downtown into one giant mega-jail that no one is allowed to leave

cajunaggie08 said:

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Murray Newman said:

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Well, you've got a manpower shortage with HPD that led to them shelving thousands and thousands of cases and you've got a DA's Office that loses about 40% of the cases that they take to trial. It's not great.

Pretty sure that liberalism isn't the primary cause of it.

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Don't bring facts to an argument that people think the only solution to is turning downtown into one giant mega-jail that no one is allowed to leave

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How about we just believe people when they show their true colors instead of releasing the animals back onto the streets to rob, rape, and kill more innocent people? The system should be prejudiced towards someone that has 6 prior felonies. That person has clearly shown that they aren't able to exist within a civilized law-abiding society.

Also, remind me again who controlled all the judicial seats in Harris County during covid? Everyone else, even kids, had to learn how to conduct business in new/different ways. Meanwhile, our judiciary decided that it would just be a 2-year paid vacation and then proceeded to blame all the resulting issues on the problem THEY created.

Ah yes. If you don't think your family should be subject to being murdered by repeat offenders let out in furtherance a "social justice" agenda, then you must favor an Escape From New York dystopia.

The citizens of Harris Co. are already living in a dystopia- created by these very social justice policies and their Soros-backed (D)isciples in elected office. Bail reform. Courts refusing to forfeit bonds creating perverse incentives. Multiple successive bonds. Endless trial continuances and few trials. Defund the police. HPD mismanagement. Sanctuary city policies, etc. And now some people on this thread are telling us we need to vote for some more of it.

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Don't bring facts to an argument that people think the only solution to is turning downtown into one giant mega-jail that no one is allowed to leave

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Since you think all these people are fine and dandy being out of jail, please let us know your address so we can drop them off at your house. Cause I'm sure there's no way you'd turn away a person who is innocent.

This thread is an example of the idiocracy running the democrat party. Progressive Dems have run the city and harris county into the ground and the solution is that it isn't progressive enough. Clown world.

All by design.

cajunaggie08 said:

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YellAg2004 said:

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cajunaggie08 said:

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Murray Newman said:

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Well, you've got a manpower shortage with HPD that led to them shelving thousands and thousands of cases and you've got a DA's Office that loses about 40% of the cases that they take to trial. It's not great.

Pretty sure that liberalism isn't the primary cause of it.

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Don't bring facts to an argument that people think the only solution to is turning downtown into one giant mega-jail that no one is allowed to leave

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How about we just believe people when they show their true colors instead of releasing the animals back onto the streets to rob, rape, and kill more innocent people? The system should be prejudiced towards someone that has 6 prior felonies. That person has clearly shown that they aren't able to exist within a civilized law-abiding society.

Also, remind me again who controlled all the judicial seats in Harris County during covid? Everyone else, even kids, had to learn how to conduct business in new/different ways. Meanwhile, our judiciary decided that it would just be a 2-year paid vacation and then proceeded to blame all the resulting issues on the problem THEY created.

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I think its bull**** that someone who is arrested for attempted murder or an assault charge while out on bond can get let out on another bond. But they aren't all being let out because of some bleeding heart judges. Harris County Jail does not have enough space without violating health and safety standards. Its already failing safety inspections each and every time as it is. The judges are forced to play whack-a-mole with who is brought in and do split second guessing on who should be given a bond. I would think if you attempt a murder a $250000 bond would keep you in jail until trial, but these bond companies dont seem to mind rolling the dice in bailing them out for a few grand down from mom. So what is your solution? End all bonds? Keep all felony suspects in jail until trial date? Find some spare millions to build another jail and somehow find double the staff to work it?

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We had plenty of millions (16 million) to waste on a bogus COVID contract to a one woman firm that was on Hillary Clinton's staff. We could also use the money for all the bs bike lanes and murals being painted. Lets start there.

The Federal System (and the juvenile system) both have detention hearings where the seriousness of an offense is considered, as is the criminal history, danger to society and flight risk. The detention officer then makes a decision as to whether or not to keep the accused detained. It takes money and the bonding companies out of the equation.

That is not how the current Texas Code of Criminal Procedure is structured. I'm all for making the change to a detention hearing system, as are most prosecutors and judges. But we have to follow the law as it is currently written.

Murray Newman said:

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The Federal System (and the juvenile system) both have detention hearings where the seriousness of an offense is considered, as is the criminal history, danger to society and flight risk. The detention officer then makes a decision as to whether or not to keep the accused detained. It takes money and the bonding companies out of the equation.

That is not how the current Texas Code of Criminal Procedure is structured. I'm all for making the change to a detention hearing system, as are most prosecutors and judges. But we have to follow the law as it is currently written.

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gee whiz, which party has had control of this state's laws for nearly 3 decades and hasn't done anything to fix laws that are the cause of the mess in the first place?

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Murray Newman said:

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The Federal System (and the juvenile system) both have detention hearings where the seriousness of an offense is considered, as is the criminal history, danger to society and flight risk. The detention officer then makes a decision as to whether or not to keep the accused detained. It takes money and the bonding companies out of the equation.

That is not how the current Texas Code of Criminal Procedure is structured. I'm all for making the change to a detention hearing system, as are most prosecutors and judges. But we have to follow the law as it is currently written.

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gee whiz, which party has had control of this state's laws for nearly 3 decades and hasn't done anything to fix laws that are the cause of the mess in the first place?

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Gee, whiz, the system under which they word wasn't an issue until the St. George Floyd riots and BLM movement.

But, sure, it's the system's fault, not the people letting them out.

who gives a **** about health and safety standards. We are talking about criminals and a jail cell. Stuff them elbows to *******s like they do in Asia. If they don't want to be in the situation, perhaps not commit the crime? Jail and its punishment should be a deterrent, not a ****ing holiday inn like it is now. And also if we would ship back every damn illegal in the jail/prison system as soon as a crime is committed I am sure that will free up space to make your other inmate friends more comfortable since you LIBS care about all these felons feelings..


None of this is rocket science.

Anastasia Beaverhaven said:

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cajunaggie08 said:

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YellAg2004 said:

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cajunaggie08 said:

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Murray Newman said:

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Well, you've got a manpower shortage with HPD that led to them shelving thousands and thousands of cases and you've got a DA's Office that loses about 40% of the cases that they take to trial. It's not great.

Pretty sure that liberalism isn't the primary cause of it.

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Don't bring facts to an argument that people think the only solution to is turning downtown into one giant mega-jail that no one is allowed to leave

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How about we just believe people when they show their true colors instead of releasing the animals back onto the streets to rob, rape, and kill more innocent people? The system should be prejudiced towards someone that has 6 prior felonies. That person has clearly shown that they aren't able to exist within a civilized law-abiding society.

Also, remind me again who controlled all the judicial seats in Harris County during covid? Everyone else, even kids, had to learn how to conduct business in new/different ways. Meanwhile, our judiciary decided that it would just be a 2-year paid vacation and then proceeded to blame all the resulting issues on the problem THEY created.

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I think its bull**** that someone who is arrested for attempted murder or an assault charge while out on bond can get let out on another bond. But they aren't all being let out because of some bleeding heart judges. Harris County Jail does not have enough space without violating health and safety standards. Its already failing safety inspections each and every time as it is. The judges are forced to play whack-a-mole with who is brought in and do split second guessing on who should be given a bond. I would think if you attempt a murder a $250000 bond would keep you in jail until trial, but these bond companies dont seem to mind rolling the dice in bailing them out for a few grand down from mom. So what is your solution? End all bonds? Keep all felony suspects in jail until trial date? Find some spare millions to build another jail and somehow find double the staff to work it?

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We had plenty of millions (16 million) to waste on a bogus COVID contract to a one woman firm that was on Hillary Clinton's staff. We could also use the money for all the bs bike lanes and murals being painted. Lets start there.

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Look at you trying to bring facts and solutions to the discussion. They have no place when compiling a list of excuses to try and pass the blame of failed local government officials on the mean heartless republicans. What's next, trying to blame the border disaster on Biden?

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cajunaggie08 said:

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Murray Newman said:

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The Federal System (and the juvenile system) both have detention hearings where the seriousness of an offense is considered, as is the criminal history, danger to society and flight risk. The detention officer then makes a decision as to whether or not to keep the accused detained. It takes money and the bonding companies out of the equation.

That is not how the current Texas Code of Criminal Procedure is structured. I'm all for making the change to a detention hearing system, as are most prosecutors and judges. But we have to follow the law as it is currently written.

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gee whiz, which party has had control of this state's laws for nearly 3 decades and hasn't done anything to fix laws that are the cause of the mess in the first place?

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Gee, whiz, the system under which they word wasn't an issue until the St. George Floyd riots and BLM movement.

But, sure, it's the system's fault, not the people letting them out.

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Hey look more inconvenient facts and logic.

cajunaggie08 said:

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YellAg2004 said:

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cajunaggie08 said:

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Murray Newman said:

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Well, you've got a manpower shortage with HPD that led to them shelving thousands and thousands of cases and you've got a DA's Office that loses about 40% of the cases that they take to trial. It's not great.

Pretty sure that liberalism isn't the primary cause of it.

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Don't bring facts to an argument that people think the only solution to is turning downtown into one giant mega-jail that no one is allowed to leave

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How about we just believe people when they show their true colors instead of releasing the animals back onto the streets to rob, rape, and kill more innocent people? The system should be prejudiced towards someone that has 6 prior felonies. That person has clearly shown that they aren't able to exist within a civilized law-abiding society.

Also, remind me again who controlled all the judicial seats in Harris County during covid? Everyone else, even kids, had to learn how to conduct business in new/different ways. Meanwhile, our judiciary decided that it would just be a 2-year paid vacation and then proceeded to blame all the resulting issues on the problem THEY created.

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I think its bull**** that someone who is arrested for attempted murder or an assault charge while out on bond can get let out on another bond. But they aren't all being let out because of some bleeding heart judges. Harris County Jail does not have enough space without violating health and safety standards. Its already failing safety inspections each and every time as it is. The judges are forced to play whack-a-mole with who is brought in and do split second guessing on who should be given a bond. I would think if you attempt a murder a $250000 bond would keep you in jail until trial, but these bond companies dont seem to mind rolling the dice in bailing them out for a few grand down from mom. So what is your solution? End all bonds? Keep all felony suspects in jail until trial date? Find some spare millions to build another jail and somehow find double the staff to work it?

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My solution? Do what the damn system is supposed to do and require the bond companies to forfeit the bonds when their "clients" fail to meet the conditions. I guarantee you the sweetheart deals will dry up real quick as soon as the bond companies realize that they're actually on the hook. Currently there is absolutely no check/balance to the system because the courts refuse to go after the bonds.

Second, let's not pretend for a second that $250k bonds are the norm. Anyone that's been on the "City under siege" thread for more than 30 seconds has seen link after link to violent offenders being granted 3rd, 4th, 5th, and more bonds in the amount of a few hundred bucks to maybe a few thousand...if they weren't lucky enough to draw one of the idiot dem judges that gives out PR bonds like Halloween candy in the name of social justice and equity.

As far as funding, let's not pretend for a second that if there was truly a desire to build a new jail that funding would be an issue. Would some programs potentially need to be cut back or eliminated? Sure. But don't tell me that funding would be an issue when you can pull up any commissioners' court agenda and find millions being spent every session on pet projects that benefit a very select group or groups.

But let's be real, as long as Houston and Harris County are solidly blue (or at least the elected leadership is), nothing beyond the bare minimum is going to be spent on law enforcement, jails, etc. You know that.

Welp, that's pretty much how you Mike drop and end a thread right there.

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We had plenty of millions (16 million) to waste on a bogus COVID contract to a one woman firm that was on Hillary Clinton's staff.

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Small footnote: she wasn't just on Hillary's campaign; she started out here and had worked for Adrian Garcia.

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No, not really. Right now the actual issue with the jail is that they can't find enough people willing to be jailers. They have the money to hire them and they have the space. They don't have the applicants.

So they are shipping them out and paying Louisiana and Mississippi and Beaumont and Post, TX to house them.

Same thing with the District Attorney's Office. Ogg has the money and the spots. They don't have the applicants and the ones they get don't stay. Kim Ogg got a large increase to pay for more attorneys and intake but decided to give raises to her upper management instead.

The "defunding the police" issue in Harris County isn't exactly as it is being portrayed.

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Who wants to be a police officer when dems would have them in prison for life for looking at a black person the wrong way? When that narrative gets established, you've already let criminals know its selective enforcement and the rule of law is dead.

Btw, Houston has the money for more officers. https://www.click2houston.com/news/investigates/2024/02/28/heres-what-houston-city-council-have-to-say-about-houston-police-department-investigation-scandal/

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No, not really. Right now the actual issue with the jail is that they can't find enough people willing to be jailers. They have the money to hire them and they have the space. They don't have the applicants.

So they are shipping them out and paying Louisiana and Mississippi and Beaumont and Post, TX to house them.

Same thing with the District Attorney's Office. Ogg has the money and the spots. They don't have the applicants and the ones they get don't stay. Kim Ogg got a large increase to pay for more attorneys and intake but decided to give raises to her upper management instead.

The "defunding the police" issue in Harris County isn't exactly as it is being portrayed.

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It's really amusing to see the progressives come here in their arrogance thinking we're all just a bunch of dumb hicks that they can gaslight.

Not nearly as amusing as it is to us "progressives" listening to armchair quarterbacks telling us how you know more about the Harris County Criminal Justice System than those of us who work in it every day.

Don't ever let the truth and logic get in the way of your strong opinions, man!

LOL, just as arrogant as always.

Go look at the City Under Siege thread and the FACTS of release and tell us its just opinion. Go tell Randy Bond and the guy tracking bonded murders that it's just opinion that those people are being killed.

Yeah, [censored].

RTT calling Ogg a conservative LMAO

Murray Newman said:

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Not nearly as amusing as it is to us "progressives" listening to armchair quarterbacks telling us how you know more about the Harris County Criminal Justice System than those of us who work in it every day.

Don't ever let the truth and logic get in the way of your strong opinions, man!

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LOL every major city in the USA is run by left wing whackos and are mostly **** holes you guys have Houston well on its way, used to be a bad ass city.

And yet you can't counter a single fact presented above.

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I'm guessing Teare is the new Soros backed candidate. Boss Ogg left the reservation, so her System card has been revoked.

I guarantee he will be worse on crime than Ogg. It almost makes me want to hit the Dem primary just to vote against him.

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as I mentioned on another thread, the fact that Ogg is now considered too conservative or least not far left enough should scare the absolute piss out of the rest of us.

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felt like a good time to repost my own post.

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LOL, just as arrogant as always.

Go look at the City Under Siege thread and the FACTS of release and tell us its just opinion. Go tell Randy Bond and the guy tracking bonded murders that it's just opinion that those people are being killed.

Yeah, [censored].

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Bow down, minion. Your overlords know what's best.