cajunaggie08 said:

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NCNJ1217 said:

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cajunaggie08 said:

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P.H. Dexippus said:

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And you thought the Ashby Highrise and bike lanes sucked. Google "Campanile on Minimax". 177 unit government housing project next to Timbergrove using federal subsidy in the form of vouchers. Being homeless for over a year qualifies you for a voucher.

Don't know how I just learned of this. I miss Swamplot.

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Well do you want them on the street or in an apartment?

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it's a travesty that this post got 3 stars

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Well then what's your solution to the homeless situation? Yelling at them to get a job hasn't fixed anything for centuries.

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Do you think giving them no strings attached free places to live will solve the problem?

Sea Speed said:

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cajunaggie08 said:

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NCNJ1217 said:

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cajunaggie08 said:

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P.H. Dexippus said:

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And you thought the Ashby Highrise and bike lanes sucked. Google "Campanile on Minimax". 177 unit government housing project next to Timbergrove using federal subsidy in the form of vouchers. Being homeless for over a year qualifies you for a voucher.

Don't know how I just learned of this. I miss Swamplot.

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Well do you want them on the street or in an apartment?

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it's a travesty that this post got 3 stars

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Well then what's your solution to the homeless situation? Yelling at them to get a job hasn't fixed anything for centuries.

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Do you think giving them no strings attached free places to live will solve the problem?

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I think giving a place to live with a few strings attached gives them a chance to many to help turn their lives into something positive. We shouldnt punish all or blow the system up just because some are "welfare-queens." I don't think this should be anyone's permanent home, but by helping someone not worry where they or their kid will sleep for some time frees up their stress so they can now figure out their next step in life.

Neither side's arguement changes the mental health and drug addiction that are the actual problems.

So take it to a different thread.

Some folks rather stay homeless and beg - it's been proven several times that when you take them off the street and give them a place with restrictions they can't take it

But just keep it away from sw houston lol we have enough Dumpy old complexes time has forgotten and empty hotels on 59 S

AgLA06 said:

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Neither side's arguement changes the mental health and drug addiction that are the actual problems.

So take it to a different thread.

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This is what I was getting at. Giving most of these people a roof won't do a damned thing to solve the real problem. The vast majority of homeless people are not just "gee shucks im down on my luck" types. Giving them a crash pad won't help them and will almost certainly destroy a perfectly good crash pad.

cajunaggie08 said:

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NCNJ1217 said:

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cajunaggie08 said:

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P.H. Dexippus said:

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And you thought the Ashby Highrise and bike lanes sucked. Google "Campanile on Minimax". 177 unit government housing project next to Timbergrove using federal subsidy in the form of vouchers. Being homeless for over a year qualifies you for a voucher.

Don't know how I just learned of this. I miss Swamplot.

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Well do you want them on the street or in an apartment?

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it's a travesty that this post got 3 stars

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Well then what's your solution to the homeless situation? Yelling at them to get a job hasn't fixed anything for centuries.

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Panhandling…illegal.
Setting up a tent in public land…illegal.
Loitering…illegal.

Make choosing to be lazy, do drugs, alcoholic be as hard as possible. Have police harass them 24/7 and they'll eventually get a job or move to San Francisco.

Giving them money, food, free housing only hurts them.

cajunaggie08 said:

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Sea Speed said:

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cajunaggie08 said:

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NCNJ1217 said:

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cajunaggie08 said:

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P.H. Dexippus said:

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And you thought the Ashby Highrise and bike lanes sucked. Google "Campanile on Minimax". 177 unit government housing project next to Timbergrove using federal subsidy in the form of vouchers. Being homeless for over a year qualifies you for a voucher.

Don't know how I just learned of this. I miss Swamplot.

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Well do you want them on the street or in an apartment?

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it's a travesty that this post got 3 stars

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Well then what's your solution to the homeless situation? Yelling at them to get a job hasn't fixed anything for centuries.

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Do you think giving them no strings attached free places to live will solve the problem?

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I think giving a place to live with a few strings attached gives them a chance to many to help turn their lives into something positive. We shouldnt punish all or blow the system up just because some are "welfare-queens." I don't think this should be anyone's permanent home, but by helping someone not worry where they or their kid will sleep for some time frees up their stress so they can now figure out their next step in life.

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This is amazingly naive (and wrong) but it does adds context to most of your other posts.

Martin Q. Blank said:

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cajunaggie08 said:

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NCNJ1217 said:

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cajunaggie08 said:

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P.H. Dexippus said:

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And you thought the Ashby Highrise and bike lanes sucked. Google "Campanile on Minimax". 177 unit government housing project next to Timbergrove using federal subsidy in the form of vouchers. Being homeless for over a year qualifies you for a voucher.

Don't know how I just learned of this. I miss Swamplot.

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Well do you want them on the street or in an apartment?

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it's a travesty that this post got 3 stars

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Well then what's your solution to the homeless situation? Yelling at them to get a job hasn't fixed anything for centuries.

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Panhandling…illegal.
Setting up a tent in public land…illegal.
Loitering…illegal.

Make choosing to be lazy, do drugs, alcoholic be as hard as possible. Have police harass them 24/7 and they'll eventually get a job or move to San Francisco.

Giving them money, food, free housing only hurts them.

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Ah yes, what to do with our most vulnerable members of society, let's crack some skulls so they learn not to be so poor and undesirable. The best way to get over addiction and mental health issues is to be crammed into a (already overcrowded) jail cell that way you can figure out how to get a job while having a criminal record and of course make sure you sort out getting a place to stay on top of that so you don't relapse or get arrested again.

The best part about that plan is it's the most expensive option for the taxpayers. Why direct taxpayer dollars towards programs that actually have a chance at helping people and put dollars back into the economy when we could support the private prison industry instead?

Sometimes it's nice to start your day knowing you've already read the dumbest thing you will see today. Thank you for that.

MrWonderful said:

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Martin Q. Blank said:

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cajunaggie08 said:

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NCNJ1217 said:

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cajunaggie08 said:

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P.H. Dexippus said:

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And you thought the Ashby Highrise and bike lanes sucked. Google "Campanile on Minimax". 177 unit government housing project next to Timbergrove using federal subsidy in the form of vouchers. Being homeless for over a year qualifies you for a voucher.

Don't know how I just learned of this. I miss Swamplot.

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Well do you want them on the street or in an apartment?

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it's a travesty that this post got 3 stars

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Well then what's your solution to the homeless situation? Yelling at them to get a job hasn't fixed anything for centuries.

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Panhandling…illegal.
Setting up a tent in public land…illegal.
Loitering…illegal.

Make choosing to be lazy, do drugs, alcoholic be as hard as possible. Have police harass them 24/7 and they'll eventually get a job or move to San Francisco.

Giving them money, food, free housing only hurts them.

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Ah yes, what to do with our most vulnerable members of society, let's crack some skulls so they learn not to be so poor and undesirable. The best way to get over addiction and mental health issues is to be crammed into a (already overcrowded) jail cell that way you can figure out how to get a job while having a criminal record and of course make sure you sort out getting a place to stay on top of that so you don't relapse or get arrested again.

The best part about that plan is it's the most expensive option for the taxpayers. Why direct taxpayer dollars towards programs that actually have a chance at helping people and put dollars back into the economy when we could support the private prison industry instead?

Sometimes it's nice to start your day knowing you've already read the dumbest thing you will see today. Thank you for that.

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I've yet to see one. First and foremost because these people don't want your help except for free stuff. You pushing it on them reiterates that they're helpless losers and you're their savior which perpetuates the problem on both fronts.

The primary causes of real, long-term homelessness are primarily addiction and mental illness. You do not fix either of those problems by concentrating addiction and mental illness into subsidized housing in a residential neighborhood. What you accomplish is bringing addiction and mental illness (and the byproduct of crime) to the suburbs. You get more of what you subsidize. Just ask Austin.

P.H. Dexippus said:

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The primary causes of real, long-term homelessness are primarily addiction and mental illness. You do not fix either of those problems by concentrating addiction and mental illness into subsidized housing in a residential neighborhood. What you accomplish is bringing addiction and mental illness (and the byproduct of crime) to the suburbs. You get more of what you subsidize. Just ask Austin.

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Actually, if you look at the data that comes out of housing-first programs that have been going on for several years in other cities, you do solve those problems in large part by getting people in a home. It's a nearly impossible task to get your **** together while being homeless. If you get some stability in your life it gives you the resources and energy to tackle your other problems.

So aside from ignoring the fact that the data from a large cross-section of cities shows that this approach is the most cost-effective (the primary way most homeless folks engage with our medical system is through emergency rooms and jails - costs 30-50k per year - source below), how would you propose to address mental health and drug addiction in an effective manner while not providing for housing needs?



https://www.usich.gov/resources/uploads/asset_library/Ending_Chronic_Homelessness_in_2017.pdf

Microwave Onions said:

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Yeah, these programs aren't bringing homeless in off the street to live next door.

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These programs will not either, that's a talking point. People are homeless because they choose to not abide by any sort of restrictions regarding assistance and housing. So the units will be filled with baby mommas and they kids.