John Stockton's game winner for game 6 of the WC finals still makes me depressed. I doubt we would have beaten the Bulls but we all wanted Hakeem vs Jordan.

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They won the division his first year … but not because of Nolan. He was a very average pitcher as an Astro and never won a big game for them.

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Insert laughing emoticon here.
Sure buddy, you do you I guess. Apparently being contraian is your thing sor something.

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First ballot entrant in to the hall of average

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Would have been unanimous if Jabba the Conlin had not made a point to not vote for Nolan and to grandstand about it like the bloated attention hoor he always was.

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John Stockton's game winner for game 6 of the WC finals still makes me depressed. I doubt we would have beaten the Bulls but we all wanted Hakeem vs Jordan.

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That one hurt.

Thanks for the reminder, buddy.

I never knew that Houston opinions on Nolan Ryan were so divided. I grew up a Rangers fan and started following them about the time he joined. Was able to meet him the offseason after his 5,000th strikeout. Pretty cool for a young kid.

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He also leads all-time in walks given up and hits given up per 9 innings.

0 MVPs
0 Cy Youngs
2 AS as an Astro
58.2 IP (31.1 in HOU) in the postseason or about 14 innings fewer than Lance McCullers.

I know he probably deserved some awards. I know the playoffs were different back then. But my point still stands, there are plenty of glaring flaws on his resume.

For me, Dream is a lock. He won titles. He won MVPs. He now has an award named after him. Altuve is a lock. He won titles. He won an MVP. He's got a boatload of battling titles, ASs, SS, a GG, & now makes the All MLB team. He's got a good shot at becoming the all-time postseason HR king at 5'5". JJ would be my 3rd because of his mix of peak greatness and more longevity than Earl. He also was in Houston longer, played on the team currently in Houston, and took the team to its highest heights thus far.

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.....and Babe Ruth had the most srikeouts as a player forever (may still hold it, I dont know). Nolan has those because he played for 20 something years, and played in a much different time than what the game is now. He was also i think the closest to a unanimous first vote to the Hall ever.

He also holds the record for most 1 hitters, 2 hitters and 3 hitters. The closest person to him in strikeouts is 1200 something behind. The closest active player is i believe Verlander, who is 2000 or so behind and near the end of his career.

He was shafted out of the Cy Young in 72 (i think) when he broke the single season strikeout record, had the most wins and second best ERA.

"Deserved some awards" indeed.

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At least try to be accurate. Babe Ruth ranks 142nd all time in strikeouts.

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I'm going off sketchy memory on some pretty obscure and old baseball stats. Sue me. You got the point, and it is still a very valid point. Quit being hard headed for the sake of being hard headed, it's dumb.

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It's fascinating how much of an emotional flashpoint the Nolan departure still is. Should we do the Bills comeback next?

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Sheeet moments in Tine Sports:

Renfro's no catch
1980 NLCS
Lorenzo Charles dunk
Bills comeback
Oilers leave, Titans make Super Bowl
Kevin Brown
Albert Pujols
WS Sweep
Tony Boselli pick
Hopkins leaves
Watt leaves
Cal McNair inherits team

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I still contend that ball is orbiting the earth

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HtownAg92 said:

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It's fascinating how much of an emotional flashpoint the Nolan departure still is. Should we do the Bills comeback next?

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Sheeet moments in Tine Sports:

Renfro's no catch
1980 NLCS
Lorenzo Charles dunk
Bills comeback
Oilers leave, Titans make Super Bowl
Kevin Brown
Albert Pujols
WS Sweep
Tony Boselli pick
Hopkins leaves
Watt leaves
Cal McNair inherits team

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I still contend that ball is orbiting the earth

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Nope, it got knocked out of the atmosphere by Yordan's blast this year.

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He also leads all-time in walks given up and hits given up per 9 innings.

0 MVPs
0 Cy Youngs
2 AS as an Astro
58.2 IP (31.1 in HOU) in the postseason or about 14 innings fewer than Lance McCullers.

I know he probably deserved some awards. I know the playoffs were different back then. But my point still stands, there are plenty of glaring flaws on his resume.

For me, Dream is a lock. He won titles. He won MVPs. He now has an award named after him. Altuve is a lock. He won titles. He won an MVP. He's got a boatload of battling titles, ASs, SS, a GG, & now makes the All MLB team. He's got a good shot at becoming the all-time postseason HR king at 5'5". JJ would be my 3rd because of his mix of peak greatness and more longevity than Earl. He also was in Houston longer, played on the team currently in Houston, and took the team to its highest heights thus far.

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.....and Babe Ruth had the most srikeouts as a player forever (may still hold it, I dont know). Nolan has those because he played for 20 something years, and played in a much different time than what the game is now. He was also i think the closest to a unanimous first vote to the Hall ever.

He also holds the record for most 1 hitters, 2 hitters and 3 hitters. The closest person to him in strikeouts is 1200 something behind. The closest active player is i believe Verlander, who is 2000 or so behind and near the end of his career.

He was shafted out of the Cy Young in 72 (i think) when he broke the single season strikeout record, had the most wins and second best ERA.

"Deserved some awards" indeed.

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At least try to be accurate. Babe Ruth ranks 142nd all time in strikeouts.

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Here is one that fits better and its accurate to satisfy you:

Replace "Babe Ruth" with "Cy Young" and replace "strikeouts" with "losses"

Cy Young has the most wins of all time as a pitcher. He also has the most losses of all time as a pitcher. I hope that smooths your ruffled feathers.

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He also leads all-time in walks given up and hits given up per 9 innings.

0 MVPs
0 Cy Youngs
2 AS as an Astro
58.2 IP (31.1 in HOU) in the postseason or about 14 innings fewer than Lance McCullers.

I know he probably deserved some awards. I know the playoffs were different back then. But my point still stands, there are plenty of glaring flaws on his resume.

For me, Dream is a lock. He won titles. He won MVPs. He now has an award named after him. Altuve is a lock. He won titles. He won an MVP. He's got a boatload of battling titles, ASs, SS, a GG, & now makes the All MLB team. He's got a good shot at becoming the all-time postseason HR king at 5'5". JJ would be my 3rd because of his mix of peak greatness and more longevity than Earl. He also was in Houston longer, played on the team currently in Houston, and took the team to its highest heights thus far.

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.....and Babe Ruth had the most srikeouts as a player forever (may still hold it, I dont know). Nolan has those because he played for 20 something years, and played in a much different time than what the game is now. He was also i think the closest to a unanimous first vote to the Hall ever.

He also holds the record for most 1 hitters, 2 hitters and 3 hitters. The closest person to him in strikeouts is 1200 something behind. The closest active player is i believe Verlander, who is 2000 or so behind and near the end of his career.

He was shafted out of the Cy Young in 72 (i think) when he broke the single season strikeout record, had the most wins and second best ERA.

"Deserved some awards" indeed.

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At least try to be accurate. Babe Ruth ranks 142nd all time in strikeouts.

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Here is one that fits better and its accurate to satisfy you:

Replace "Babe Ruth" with "Cy Young" and replace "strikeouts" with "losses"

Cy Young has the most wins of all time as a pitcher. He also has the most losses of all time as a pitcher. I hope that smooths your ruffled feathers.

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So basically guys who play the most get the most of a stat.

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He also leads all-time in walks given up and hits given up per 9 innings.

0 MVPs
0 Cy Youngs
2 AS as an Astro
58.2 IP (31.1 in HOU) in the postseason or about 14 innings fewer than Lance McCullers.

I know he probably deserved some awards. I know the playoffs were different back then. But my point still stands, there are plenty of glaring flaws on his resume.

For me, Dream is a lock. He won titles. He won MVPs. He now has an award named after him. Altuve is a lock. He won titles. He won an MVP. He's got a boatload of battling titles, ASs, SS, a GG, & now makes the All MLB team. He's got a good shot at becoming the all-time postseason HR king at 5'5". JJ would be my 3rd because of his mix of peak greatness and more longevity than Earl. He also was in Houston longer, played on the team currently in Houston, and took the team to its highest heights thus far.

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.....and Babe Ruth had the most srikeouts as a player forever (may still hold it, I dont know). Nolan has those because he played for 20 something years, and played in a much different time than what the game is now. He was also i think the closest to a unanimous first vote to the Hall ever.

He also holds the record for most 1 hitters, 2 hitters and 3 hitters. The closest person to him in strikeouts is 1200 something behind. The closest active player is i believe Verlander, who is 2000 or so behind and near the end of his career.

He was shafted out of the Cy Young in 72 (i think) when he broke the single season strikeout record, had the most wins and second best ERA.

"Deserved some awards" indeed.

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At least try to be accurate. Babe Ruth ranks 142nd all time in strikeouts.

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I'm going off sketchy memory on some pretty obscure and old baseball stats. Sue me. You got the point, and it is still a very valid point. Quit being hard headed for the sake of being hard headed, it's dumb.

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While I agree with your post, the bolded part is pretty funny coming from you.

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So do we have to consider Roger Clemens now?

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No. He doesn't come close to Ryan in stats and his PED use puts an asterisk by his name in the stat line for me.

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what "stats" does he not come close to Ryan in? Because I think he's regarded by most as a better pitcher

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If Nolan had pitched for the teams Roger pitched for, he would have had 400+ wins. His opponent batting average was nearly 30 points lower than Clemens, he averaged about 1 strikeout per 9 innings more than Clemens, Clemens never threw a no-hitter, while Ryan threw 7, Ryan also holds the records for most 1-hitters and most 2-hitters. Ryan played 3 more seasons than Clemens but gave up 42 fewer home runs. The Cy Young, like it or not has been given to the best pitcher on the best team for the last 5 decades. Ryan was never close to being on the best team and Clemens played for a perennial playoff team. I bet if you surveyed the hitters who faced both of them, they would tell you almost to a man that they feared facing Ryan more than they feared facing Clemens.

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LOL look at any baseball site that does historical comparisons. I doubt you can find one that ranks Ryan better than Clemens.

and right, he didn't earn those 7 trophies, just handed it to the best pitcher on the best team..... LOLOLOLOLOLOL

did you even read what you typed before you posted?

Nolan is a legend, no doubt, and if he'd pitched his whole career in Houston it would be a no-brainer for Houston Mt Rushmore. But he didn't and to try to say he is one of the top 3 pitchers of all time... I mean, come on, no one thinks that.

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Bill Yeoman, Jack Pardee and Guy V Lewis. All transformed their respective sports.

Pardee Time in the Dome!

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The first two are good Texas Aggies. I could get behind Guy V in the second tier!

Altuve

Dream

Earl

Judge Hofheinz

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So do we have to consider Roger Clemens now?

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No. He doesn't come close to Ryan in stats and his PED use puts an asterisk by his name in the stat line for me.

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what "stats" does he not come close to Ryan in? Because I think he's regarded by most as a better pitcher

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If Nolan had pitched for the teams Roger pitched for, he would have had 400+ wins. His opponent batting average was nearly 30 points lower than Clemens, he averaged about 1 strikeout per 9 innings more than Clemens, Clemens never threw a no-hitter, while Ryan threw 7, Ryan also holds the records for most 1-hitters and most 2-hitters. Ryan played 3 more seasons than Clemens but gave up 42 fewer home runs. The Cy Young, like it or not has been given to the best pitcher on the best team for the last 5 decades. Ryan was never close to being on the best team and Clemens played for a perennial playoff team. I bet if you surveyed the hitters who faced both of them, they would tell you almost to a man that they feared facing Ryan more than they feared facing Clemens.

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LOL look at any baseball site that does historical comparisons. I doubt you can find one that ranks Ryan better than Clemens.

and right, he didn't earn those 7 trophies, just handed it to the best pitcher on the best team..... LOLOLOLOLOLOL

did you even read what you typed before you posted?

Nolan is a legend, no doubt, and if he'd pitched his whole career in Houston it would be a no-brainer for Houston Mt Rushmore. But he didn't and to try to say he is one of the top 3 pitchers of all time... I mean, come on, no one thinks that.

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I didn't say he didn't earn them, I said they don't give the Cy Young to guys who play on crappy teams. So comparing Clemens who played for perennial playoff contenders to Ryan, who didn't on the basis of # of Cy Young's is apples to oranges. Nolan threw two no hitters in a season and set the all time single season strikeout record and nearly had several more no hitters in the same season. And he didn't win the Cy Young because he played for a basement dwelling Angels team that couldn't hit their way out of a paper bag.

There is no question that he was far and away the most feared and dominant pitcher in baseball for nearly a decade, but because he wasn't on teams going to the playoffs and wasn't winning 20+ every season because he rarely got more than 2 runs to work with from his team, people think he was a mediocre power pitcher. He probably isn't in the top 3 all time, but if I am putting together a five man rotation from 1970-present players, he is in it. And I would take Nolan in his prime over Clemens if for no other reason because of the PED issues with Clemens.

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So do we have to consider Roger Clemens now?

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No. He doesn't come close to Ryan in stats and his PED use puts an asterisk by his name in the stat line for me.

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what "stats" does he not come close to Ryan in? Because I think he's regarded by most as a better pitcher

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If Nolan had pitched for the teams Roger pitched for, he would have had 400+ wins. His opponent batting average was nearly 30 points lower than Clemens, he averaged about 1 strikeout per 9 innings more than Clemens, Clemens never threw a no-hitter, while Ryan threw 7, Ryan also holds the records for most 1-hitters and most 2-hitters. Ryan played 3 more seasons than Clemens but gave up 42 fewer home runs. The Cy Young, like it or not has been given to the best pitcher on the best team for the last 5 decades. Ryan was never close to being on the best team and Clemens played for a perennial playoff team. I bet if you surveyed the hitters who faced both of them, they would tell you almost to a man that they feared facing Ryan more than they feared facing Clemens.

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LOL look at any baseball site that does historical comparisons. I doubt you can find one that ranks Ryan better than Clemens.

and right, he didn't earn those 7 trophies, just handed it to the best pitcher on the best team..... LOLOLOLOLOLOL

did you even read what you typed before you posted?

Nolan is a legend, no doubt, and if he'd pitched his whole career in Houston it would be a no-brainer for Houston Mt Rushmore. But he didn't and to try to say he is one of the top 3 pitchers of all time... I mean, come on, no one thinks that.

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I didn't say he didn't earn them, I said they don't give the Cy Young to guys who play on crappy teams. So comparing Clemens who played for perennial playoff contenders to Ryan, who didn't on the basis of # of Cy Young's is apples to oranges. Nolan threw two no hitters in a season and set the all time single season strikeout record and nearly had several more no hitters in the same season. And he didn't win the Cy Young because he played for a basement dwelling Angels team that couldn't hit their way out of a paper bag.

There is no question that he was far and away the most feared and dominant pitcher in baseball for nearly a decade, but because he wasn't on teams going to the playoffs and wasn't winning 20+ every season because he rarely got more than 2 runs to work with from his team, people think he was a mediocre power pitcher. He probably isn't in the top 3 all time, but if I am putting together a five man rotation from 1970-present players, he is in it. And I would take Nolan in his prime over Clemens if for no other reason because of the PED issues with Clemens.

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I'm old enough to have friends who knew him at Westchester or Spring Woods, whichever high school he ostensibly attended. I have never heard anyone say a good word about him, even from people who had known him since kindergarten. Too stupid to get a scholarship to Texas, even as the best pitcher in the country, went to San Jacinto and was a bit white trash for even Pasadena. Spent a semester in Austin and claims he's a Longhorn. Clemens has been a miserable human since he was born, hasn't changed a bit, and his family is almost as bad. And he HATES A&M, despite the fact that he can't spell.

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No. He doesn't come close to Ryan in stats and his PED use puts an asterisk by his name in the stat line for me.

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what "stats" does he not come close to Ryan in? Because I think he's regarded by most as a better pitcher

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If Nolan had pitched for the teams Roger pitched for, he would have had 400+ wins. His opponent batting average was nearly 30 points lower than Clemens, he averaged about 1 strikeout per 9 innings more than Clemens, Clemens never threw a no-hitter, while Ryan threw 7, Ryan also holds the records for most 1-hitters and most 2-hitters. Ryan played 3 more seasons than Clemens but gave up 42 fewer home runs. The Cy Young, like it or not has been given to the best pitcher on the best team for the last 5 decades. Ryan was never close to being on the best team and Clemens played for a perennial playoff team. I bet if you surveyed the hitters who faced both of them, they would tell you almost to a man that they feared facing Ryan more than they feared facing Clemens.

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LOL look at any baseball site that does historical comparisons. I doubt you can find one that ranks Ryan better than Clemens.

and right, he didn't earn those 7 trophies, just handed it to the best pitcher on the best team..... LOLOLOLOLOLOL

did you even read what you typed before you posted?

Nolan is a legend, no doubt, and if he'd pitched his whole career in Houston it would be a no-brainer for Houston Mt Rushmore. But he didn't and to try to say he is one of the top 3 pitchers of all time... I mean, come on, no one thinks that.

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I didn't say he didn't earn them, I said they don't give the Cy Young to guys who play on crappy teams. So comparing Clemens who played for perennial playoff contenders to Ryan, who didn't on the basis of # of Cy Young's is apples to oranges. Nolan threw two no hitters in a season and set the all time single season strikeout record and nearly had several more no hitters in the same season. And he didn't win the Cy Young because he played for a basement dwelling Angels team that couldn't hit their way out of a paper bag.

There is no question that he was far and away the most feared and dominant pitcher in baseball for nearly a decade, but because he wasn't on teams going to the playoffs and wasn't winning 20+ every season because he rarely got more than 2 runs to work with from his team, people think he was a mediocre power pitcher. He probably isn't in the top 3 all time, but if I am putting together a five man rotation from 1970-present players, he is in it. And I would take Nolan in his prime over Clemens if for no other reason because of the PED issues with Clemens.

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I'm old enough to have friends who knew him at Westchester or Spring Woods, whichever high school he ostensibly attended. I have never heard anyone say a good word about him, even from people who had known him since kindergarten. Too stupid to get a scholarship to Texas, even as the best pitcher in the country, went to San Jacinto and was a bit white trash for even Pasadena. Spent a semester in Austin and claims he's a Longhorn. Clemens has been a miserable human since he was born, hasn't changed a bit, and his family is almost as bad. And he HATES A&M, despite the fact that he can't spell.

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He and his D-Bag brother jumped a cop at Bayou Mama's back in the day.

Of topic, but 5 man rotation from 1970 to present is pretty tough.

Contenders:
Seaver
Maddux
R. Johnson
Nolan
Pedro
Gooden
Carlton
Palmer

Nolan would make that top 5.

Clemens once sported the frosted tips hairstyle.

He's not going on the monument.

Does MLS count?

How about Brian Ching?

The fact that it took this long to get brought up, no

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So do we have to consider Roger Clemens now?

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No. He doesn't come close to Ryan in stats and his PED use puts an asterisk by his name in the stat line for me.

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what "stats" does he not come close to Ryan in? Because I think he's regarded by most as a better pitcher

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If Nolan had pitched for the teams Roger pitched for, he would have had 400+ wins. His opponent batting average was nearly 30 points lower than Clemens, he averaged about 1 strikeout per 9 innings more than Clemens, Clemens never threw a no-hitter, while Ryan threw 7, Ryan also holds the records for most 1-hitters and most 2-hitters. Ryan played 3 more seasons than Clemens but gave up 42 fewer home runs. The Cy Young, like it or not has been given to the best pitcher on the best team for the last 5 decades. Ryan was never close to being on the best team and Clemens played for a perennial playoff team. I bet if you surveyed the hitters who faced both of them, they would tell you almost to a man that they feared facing Ryan more than they feared facing Clemens.

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LOL look at any baseball site that does historical comparisons. I doubt you can find one that ranks Ryan better than Clemens.

and right, he didn't earn those 7 trophies, just handed it to the best pitcher on the best team..... LOLOLOLOLOLOL

did you even read what you typed before you posted?

Nolan is a legend, no doubt, and if he'd pitched his whole career in Houston it would be a no-brainer for Houston Mt Rushmore. But he didn't and to try to say he is one of the top 3 pitchers of all time... I mean, come on, no one thinks that.

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I didn't say he didn't earn them, I said they don't give the Cy Young to guys who play on crappy teams. So comparing Clemens who played for perennial playoff contenders to Ryan, who didn't on the basis of # of Cy Young's is apples to oranges. Nolan threw two no hitters in a season and set the all time single season strikeout record and nearly had several more no hitters in the same season. And he didn't win the Cy Young because he played for a basement dwelling Angels team that couldn't hit their way out of a paper bag.

There is no question that he was far and away the most feared and dominant pitcher in baseball for nearly a decade, but because he wasn't on teams going to the playoffs and wasn't winning 20+ every season because he rarely got more than 2 runs to work with from his team, people think he was a mediocre power pitcher. He probably isn't in the top 3 all time, but if I am putting together a five man rotation from 1970-present players, he is in it. And I would take Nolan in his prime over Clemens if for no other reason because of the PED issues with Clemens.

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I'm old enough to have friends who knew him at Westchester or Spring Woods, whichever high school he ostensibly attended. I have never heard anyone say a good word about him, even from people who had known him since kindergarten. Too stupid to get a scholarship to Texas, even as the best pitcher in the country, went to San Jacinto and was a bit white trash for even Pasadena. Spent a semester in Austin and claims he's a Longhorn. Clemens has been a miserable human since he was born, hasn't changed a bit, and his family is almost as bad. And he HATES A&M, despite the fact that he can't spell.

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After he won the MVP and Cy Young award in 86, he was supposed to sign autographs at a big baseball card show at the astrodome hotel across the street from the Dome. It was a charity event to raise funds for the American Diabetes Association. He showed up but refused to leave his car (Porsche 928) till they provided someone to stand there and watch it while he was inside. My brother and his buddy were volunteering for Key Club and got drafted to stand there with his car for a few hours. While he did sign a baseball for them when he came out, that was a pretty big ******bag move.

he handed out signed baseball cards during Halloween around our old hood.

on the other hand, he was known to be a lousy tipper when he played at Falcon Point.

We invited him out to throw the ceremonial first pitch at a kids charity game. He showed up, but then he beaned the kid who had the honor of catching it for "crowding the plate." I did get him to autograph the ball for me, though, so that was cool.

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So do we have to consider Roger Clemens now?

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No. He doesn't come close to Ryan in stats and his PED use puts an asterisk by his name in the stat line for me.

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what "stats" does he not come close to Ryan in? Because I think he's regarded by most as a better pitcher

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If Nolan had pitched for the teams Roger pitched for, he would have had 400+ wins. His opponent batting average was nearly 30 points lower than Clemens, he averaged about 1 strikeout per 9 innings more than Clemens, Clemens never threw a no-hitter, while Ryan threw 7, Ryan also holds the records for most 1-hitters and most 2-hitters. Ryan played 3 more seasons than Clemens but gave up 42 fewer home runs. The Cy Young, like it or not has been given to the best pitcher on the best team for the last 5 decades. Ryan was never close to being on the best team and Clemens played for a perennial playoff team. I bet if you surveyed the hitters who faced both of them, they would tell you almost to a man that they feared facing Ryan more than they feared facing Clemens.

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LOL look at any baseball site that does historical comparisons. I doubt you can find one that ranks Ryan better than Clemens.

and right, he didn't earn those 7 trophies, just handed it to the best pitcher on the best team..... LOLOLOLOLOLOL

did you even read what you typed before you posted?

Nolan is a legend, no doubt, and if he'd pitched his whole career in Houston it would be a no-brainer for Houston Mt Rushmore. But he didn't and to try to say he is one of the top 3 pitchers of all time... I mean, come on, no one thinks that.

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And this is why smoking crack is bad children, you say the dumbest of things after you do.

Ryan owns 51 MLB pitching records, BTW.

Not too shabby or a guy that some here try to say isnt in the top 3.

was looking up somethin and came across this gem from luv ya blue days

https://www.discogs.com/release/4481370-Various-Houston-Oilers-1

Was his car black and had "Super K" or something on the license plates?

I went to a card show in the late 80s at the Marriott by Hobby he was signing at. When we left there was a black Porsche 928 with "Super K" or something like that on the plates parked right in front on the curb. I assumed it was his.

Funny he thought his car should get special treatment but not surprising based on stories.

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I can't believe that suggestion was taken down. I bet by now it would have a stiff lead over all the competition.

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Was his car black and had "Super K" or something on the license plates?

I went to a card show in the late 80s at the Marriott by Hobby he was signing at. When we left there was a black Porsche 928 with "Super K" or something like that on the plates parked right in front on the curb. I assumed it was his.

Funny he thought his car should get special treatment but not surprising based on stories.

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It was something like that. He also has "86 Cy & MVP" etched on the bumper.

Just remembered some recent Clemens nonsense.

He threw out the first pitch for Game 2 of the WS. Seemed like an odd choice as he hasn't been around much and I feel most Astros fans are indifferent to him.

He goes out to the mound with a black glove. It struck me as odd he went out there with a glove but he's Roger Clemens.

He throws it to LMJ and they meet up for a picture. LMJ is walking off and Clemens grabs him. Clemens is making him take the glove. LMJ seemed uncertain about it but Clemens is acting like it was a big gesture and he needed to take it.

LMJ later posted a pic and it had Clemens name and all his major accomplishments on it.

Roger always about Roger.

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Just remembered some recent Clemens nonsense.

He threw out the first pitch for Game 2 of the WS. Seemed like an odd choice as he hasn't been around much and I feel most Astros fans are indifferent to him.

He goes out to the mound with a black glove. It struck me as odd he went out there with a glove but he's Roger Clemens.

He throws it to LMJ and they meet up for a picture. LMJ is walking off and Clemens grabs him. Clemens is making him take the glove. LMJ seemed uncertain about it but Clemens is acting like it was a big gesture and he needed to take it.

LMJ later posted a pic and it had Clemens name and all his major accomplishments on it.

Roger always about Roger.

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You're talking about a guy whose kids' names all start with the letter K and also said the PED shipment was for his wife. What a jerk.