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There is a pretty large team in the west Houston/ Katy area that knows the ins/ outs of how to be successful with driving business to Amway. No I am not on it. ha But I do know a few people involved and they do pretty well. Not my cup of tea personally, but the team they work with seems to be pretty successful.

If you weren't aware, there are a thousands of these "teams" across the world all trying to find the best way to get the most profit from driving business to Amway.

So all and all, my guess is that all these encounters are by people trying to grow their team.
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Sounds like Scientology
Cody 91
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Order online. HEB curbside pick-up is 3%. And you spend less because you don't buy all the line-of-sight items.
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Doesn't help. Amway guys just end up handing you your groceries and chatting you up.
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The worst are the *******s who have their kids walking through a restaurant trying to sell candy or stuffed animals for some bull**** "cause"
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10 years or so ago

Me 30 minutes after giving a kid a $20 to help buy his teams football jersey for their tournament:

Hmm that was weird he couldn't tell me what position he played...

Wait a flip it's not even football season ah god dangit
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Jock 07 said:

The worst are the *******s who have their kids walking through a restaurant trying to sell candy or stuffed animals for some bull**** "cause"


Stop eating at Applebee's and Long John Silvers. Problem solved.
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Jock 07 said:

The worst are the *******s who have their kids walking through a restaurant trying to sell candy or stuffed animals for some bull**** "cause"
Haven't seen this personally, seems like they'd get run out out really quick.
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Outlaw0206 said:

There is a pretty large team in the west Houston/ Katy area that knows the ins/ outs of how to be successful with driving business to Amway. No I am not on it. ha But I do know a few people involved and they do pretty well. Not my cup of tea personally, but the team they work with seems to be pretty successful.

If you weren't aware, there are a thousands of these "teams" across the world all trying to find the best way to get the most profit from driving business to Amway.

So all and all, my guess is that all these encounters are by people trying to grow their team.

Forgive me if I'm wrong but you seem to have some measure of respect for these teams.

What value do they provide? Who is the consumer and what is the product? These are very simple questions that should have straightforward answers if it is an honest business endeavor. But with amway and most other MLM schemes, the reps tie themselves into Gordian knots trying to give straight answers.
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Jack Cheese said:

Outlaw0206 said:

There is a pretty large team in the west Houston/ Katy area that knows the ins/ outs of how to be successful with driving business to Amway. No I am not on it. ha But I do know a few people involved and they do pretty well. Not my cup of tea personally, but the team they work with seems to be pretty successful.

If you weren't aware, there are a thousands of these "teams" across the world all trying to find the best way to get the most profit from driving business to Amway.

So all and all, my guess is that all these encounters are by people trying to grow their team.

Forgive me if I'm wrong but you seem to have some measure of respect for these teams.

What value do they provide? Who is the consumer and what is the product? These are very simple questions that should have straightforward answers if it is an honest business endeavor. But with amway and most other MLM schemes, the reps tie themselves into Gordian knots trying to give straight answers.
It's the hard sell face-to-face interpersonal pressure approach. They work because people are polite to them.

Amway
Tupperware/Mary Kay/SAHM side business "parties"
Time shares
Car dealer "finance guy"
etc.

MAS444
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This. Plus the "they do pretty well" bit is BS 99.99% of the time. It's part of the training/culture/brainwashing to make everyone think this. After buying all of their product to keep up, "optional" marketing/rah rah rallys, marketing paraphanelia etc....it is very rare to make any actual money, especially when you factor all of the time involved (and value of alienating family and friends).
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Red Pear Realty said:

Jock 07 said:

The worst are the *******s who have their kids walking through a restaurant trying to sell candy or stuffed animals for some bull**** "cause"


Stop eating at Applebee's and Long John Silvers. Problem solved.

Was actually at backyard grill, close enough though I suppose
htxag09
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MAS444 said:

This. Plus the "they do pretty well" bit is BS 99.99% of the time. It's part of the training/culture/brainwashing to make everyone think this. After buying all of their product to keep up, "optional" marketing/rah rah rallys, marketing paraphanelia etc....it is very rare to make any actual money, especially when you factor all of the time involved (and value of alienating family and friends).

My aunt is with one of these pyramid schemes. She's always posting trips on Facebook, or a new car she bought with the money she's earned, etc. She doesn't mention her husband owns an O&G company and land with mineral rights. Last time I asked him about it, he said she's in the tens of thousands of dollars in the hole.

ETA: and to your last sentence, I unfollowed her on Facebook because it got so dang annoying.
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CBD oil seems to be a pretty big MLM scam now I keep seeing from a few people on facebook.
htxag09
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The Milkman said:

CBD oil seems to be a pretty big MLM scam now I keep seeing from a few people on facebook.

It's made it's way to Texags as well.
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chimpanzee said:

Jack Cheese said:

Outlaw0206 said:

There is a pretty large team in the west Houston/ Katy area that knows the ins/ outs of how to be successful with driving business to Amway. No I am not on it. ha But I do know a few people involved and they do pretty well. Not my cup of tea personally, but the team they work with seems to be pretty successful.

If you weren't aware, there are a thousands of these "teams" across the world all trying to find the best way to get the most profit from driving business to Amway.

So all and all, my guess is that all these encounters are by people trying to grow their team.

Forgive me if I'm wrong but you seem to have some measure of respect for these teams.

What value do they provide? Who is the consumer and what is the product? These are very simple questions that should have straightforward answers if it is an honest business endeavor. But with amway and most other MLM schemes, the reps tie themselves into Gordian knots trying to give straight answers.
It's the hard sell face-to-face interpersonal pressure approach. They work because people are polite to them.

Amway
Tupperware/Mary Kay/SAHM side business "parties"
Time shares
Car dealer "finance guy"
etc.



I hear you and mostly agree, but I'm not willing to paint all of these direct marketing companies with the same brush. Pampered chef is one that my wife genuinely enjoys buying and thinks it is a good product. (No she doesn't sell pampered chef or any other product). But that's the exception.

Amway is the worst because the most precise they'll get is to point at common commoditized household products or vitamins as the "product" (if you can even pin them down to that level)... The whole model is corrupt and almost exclusively involves signing up other people. It's a horrendous shell game. No one who participates in this scam deserves respect. Especially not for being "good" at it.
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Jack Cheese said:

chimpanzee said:

Jack Cheese said:

Outlaw0206 said:

There is a pretty large team in the west Houston/ Katy area that knows the ins/ outs of how to be successful with driving business to Amway. No I am not on it. ha But I do know a few people involved and they do pretty well. Not my cup of tea personally, but the team they work with seems to be pretty successful.

If you weren't aware, there are a thousands of these "teams" across the world all trying to find the best way to get the most profit from driving business to Amway.

So all and all, my guess is that all these encounters are by people trying to grow their team.

Forgive me if I'm wrong but you seem to have some measure of respect for these teams.

What value do they provide? Who is the consumer and what is the product? These are very simple questions that should have straightforward answers if it is an honest business endeavor. But with amway and most other MLM schemes, the reps tie themselves into Gordian knots trying to give straight answers.
It's the hard sell face-to-face interpersonal pressure approach. They work because people are polite to them.

Amway
Tupperware/Mary Kay/SAHM side business "parties"
Time shares
Car dealer "finance guy"
etc.



I hear you and mostly agree, but I'm not willing to paint all of these direct marketing companies with the same brush. Pampered chef is one that my wife genuinely enjoys buying and thinks it is a good product. (No she doesn't sell pampered chef or any other product). But that's the exception.

Amway is the worst because the most precise they'll get is to point at common commoditized household products or vitamins as the "product" (if you can even pin them down to that level)... The whole model is corrupt and almost exclusively involves signing up other people. It's a horrendous shell game. No one who participates in this scam deserves respect. Especially not for being "good" at it.

The best explanation I have read for the business model is that it is a way for manufacturers to distribute their product without having to compete for shelf space. That makes a bit of sense for a premium product that is crowded out by low margin/high volume stuff, but the internet has pretty well cut that excuse out.

Amsoil (synthetic automotive engine oil) did the informal/decentralized distribution model to decent effect, AFAIK, they don't put a lot of incentive to sign up underlings, they just let anyone be a distributor for a nominal fee, so you get some hucksters on the internet associated with your product.

Funny you mention Pampered Chef. My wife has attended several of these parties and my impression is that it is completely reliant on the guilty feeling some women get when they don't go along with whatever the enthusiastic group leader does. There's is usually an enthusiastic supportive host and a separate seller, so if you don't buy, you feel like you are offending someone that opened their home to you and gave you a cucumber sandwich, not the person that is trying to get you to trade your money for a kitchen gadget that you don't need in an environment where you can't compare prices or quality. I've spent more time throwing Pampered Chef stuff in the garbage than my wife has cooking with it, at least your experience is more positive than mine.
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Instacart solved all of my problems.
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Amsoil works for me, because the product is good and they carry harder to find stuff, and because of this they can get a premium so the local distributor can eke out a profit. Usually it's someone selling other car stuff or providing car services anyways. I don't sell it, but I use their gear oil in stuff.

My wife got roped into the Mary Kay thing once. I don't like "products" that are average but whose selling point is entirely the cultivation of personal relationships then the liberal of that relationship into an ongoing obligation to purchase, or even join in. Needless to say, she learned sales sucks. Fortunately she also had a good real job to pay off all the "product" they made her buy up front.
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When you see people on social media that "win" cars are they actually winning a free ride or are they just getting a subsidized lease?

MLMs are fascinating to me. I often wonder if that person just took a full time sales gig if they would be much better off. I have to imagine even selling jewelry at Kays in the mall would be more productive than approaching people minding their own business at a damn retail store.
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This has happened to me and my wife no fewer than 3 times at the Heb in briargrove. One time was a dude-- initiated the conversation based on my a&m gear , the other 2 times smoke show hot young ladies. My tongue was hanging out of my mouth when one kept being overly friendly to my wife, I had sworn I got lucky and it was swingin' season, but no, another effing MLM.
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Did they keep a ficus outside the front door?
Redstone
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Essential oils....we buy Doterra and it's all Amazon now that Doterra sells overstock there. Only got roped into 1 "party!"
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I've been approached before and I've found the best way to end the conversation is right when they ask about your job. They'll usually cut it short when I tell them I'm a talent scout for a gay porn production company and I'd like to know if they might be interested.
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Chewy said:

When you see people on social media that "win" cars are they actually winning a free ride or are they just getting a subsidized lease?

MLMs are fascinating to me. I often wonder if that person just took a full time sales gig if they would be much better off. I have to imagine even selling jewelry at Kays in the mall would be more productive than approaching people minding their own business at a damn retail store.

That doesn't work for many because the big selling point is making huge amounts of money while doing it on your own time. #BossLadyGoals
bad_teammate said on 2/10/21:
Just imagine how 1/6 would've played out if DC hadn't had such strict gun laws.

Two people starred his post as of the time of this signature. Those 3 people are allowed to vote in the US.
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What are you going to do when someone says yes?
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wessimo said:

What are you going to do when someone says yes?
Give them your address for the audition?
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FtBendTxAg said:

This has happened to me and my wife no fewer than 3 times at the Heb in briargrove. One time was a dude-- initiated the conversation based on my a&m gear , the other 2 times smoke show hot young ladies. My tongue was hanging out of my mouth when one kept being overly friendly to my wife, I had sworn I got lucky and it was swingin' season, but no, another effing MLM.
Smoking hot women frequently start talking to me for no reason at all offering me all sorts of fantastic things with no upside to them personally. It's a shame this seems to be a foreign concept to most of my fellow HEB shoppers.

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Diggity said:

Did they keep a ficus outside the front door?
I thought having crepe myrtles in the front yard was the universal swingers' sign?
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I've seen the island in the BVI's owned by the family who founded Amway. It's nice.
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I can't believe I read that whole post, I feel like I just got sucked in to a pyramid scheme.
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Perfect, my address is 1431 Yourmomshouse St.
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