Agreed. Not sure if price is based on misinformation or necessity, but regardless, they've got a number of reductions to go before they'll get what it is worth.
quote:Sorry, hombre. That assertion is just wrong. A/O 2000:quote:
Guess what I meant was Houston was one of the last cities to not a have an upper middle class demographic living in-town. River Oaks always existed but that is more upper class (generational wealth) than upper middle class.
Dallas has several in-town upper middle class neighborhoods, but Houston had none until around 2000. West U as it is today is relatively new.
[This message has been edited by hombre (edited 8/19/2014 9:24a).]
quote:You're uninformed, "hombre".
95gh87,
Stringing together a few blocks spread throughout the inner loop hardly constitutes a neighborhood, the key point of my argument. Moreover, I said around 2000 implying plus/minus a few years which is when most of your evidence started to gentrify.
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Afton Oaks/Mid Lane...maybe 5,000.
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Afton Oaks/Mid Lane...maybe 5,000.
I dont know about your other numbers, but this one seems way high, unless you're counting apartment dwellers north of Westheimer in your "upper middle class"
Afton Oaks, which is the bigger part by land area only has about 500 homes. Mid Lane has smaller lots and houses and patio homed crammed in there, but I doubt there are another 500.
quote:This right here. Afton Oaks, Kettering, Royden Oaks, Highland Village, Oak Estates, Lynn Park, Avalon Place, etc. all have been very nice neighborhoods for a long time. There are a lot of nice houses in between Shepherd, 610 West Loop, US 59, and San Felipe that are not in River Oaks.quote:J-quote:
Afton Oaks/Mid Lane...maybe 5,000.
I dont know about your other numbers, but this one seems way high, unless you're counting apartment dwellers north of Westheimer in your "upper middle class"
Afton Oaks, which is the bigger part by land area only has about 500 homes. Mid Lane has smaller lots and houses and patio homed crammed in there, but I doubt there are another 500.
My goal was refute some naive comments by "Hombre". Necessarily rough numbers, because of the plethora of options ITL! Afton has about 550 homes. Kettering....add another 50-150. Mid Lane is decidedly more densely populated...small lots, townhouses, small cul-de-sacs....Also, remember, Mid Lane crosses W'heimer and goes to San Felipe, so count those adjacent streets (townhouses, etc.) Not counting any apartments ! For my original purpose (refute: "No Upper-middle hoods 'til 2000 unlike Dallas"), it is useful to note that Mid Lane abuts both $$Oak Estates, and up/coming Lynn and Highland Park. You're right; I could have been more precise, but the Afton/Mid neighborhood with similar adjacent 'hoods would, I believe go well over 5,000. Also, forgot about Royden. To summarize, I'd more properly call this "Greater Highland Village" with adjacent 'hoods that have easily been Upper-Mid for decades....maybe 5-10K total UMC.
I should have been clearer, but there are so many historically UMC "in-town" neighborhoods.