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9:58p, 6/19/24
I have never eaten anywhere at Century Square. I refuse to pay to park to eat when there are as good alternatives in the area. Just me though.

I do go at times to Frontier Title and park across the side street and have never received a ticket. I guess they assume that those persons parking there are going into the few professional offices there?

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In reply to EBrazosAg • 10:00p, 6/19/24
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I remember Lock and Roll was furrows. That was true even late 90s. Guess I didn't know Lowes from DFW and remember 44 Lumber since that was the DFW area chain back then. Interesting that it was Lowes.
Also, McCoys was originally in where Wilton's office furniture is now.
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11:00p, 6/19/24
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What was where Cavendars is now?
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In reply to trouble • 11:08p, 6/19/24
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trouble said:
What was where Cavendars is now?
that was a goat farm. I roped many a goat back then...
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In reply to TyHolden • 11:09p, 6/19/24
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TyHolden said:
trouble said:
What was where Cavendars is now?
that was a goat farm. I roped many a goat back then...


After that
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In reply to trouble • 12:45a, 6/20/24
trouble said:
TyHolden said:
trouble said:
What was where Cavendars is now?
that was a goat farm. I roped many a goat back then...


After that



Sometime in 1988 there was a go kart track there
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In reply to trouble • 3:54a, 6/20/24
Wolf nursery
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In reply to UmustBKidding • 4:30a, 6/20/24
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Thank you! That's what it was when I moved here.
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In reply to trouble • 6:58a, 6/20/24
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trouble said:
I never even thought of them the same way. O'Bannon's is a bar. Mo's always felt like an Irish themed Chili's to me.


Bennigan's says hi
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In reply to TyHolden • 6:59a, 6/20/24
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bring it back...

https://external-content.duckduckgo.com/iu/?u=https%3A%2F%2Fc1.staticflickr.com%2F3%2F2657%2F4119187869_951eae0321_b.jpg&f=1&nofb=1&ipt=c7c0ceb2825e1b1b9d05beac92525f218b1b36d4f01ed363717d94fde8c2643c&ipo=images


Ugh Nevermind
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In reply to KidDoc • 8:32a, 6/20/24
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Ya'll do know parking is free on Sunday? There are a lot of great places there to avoid $2 parking Mon-Sat.


Friday night it was $4.xx for 1.5 hours. Sadly it's getting stupid. I usually park in the garage but it was the concert night and just wanted to eat and go back home
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In reply to Ajolly • 8:37a, 6/20/24
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I loved bennigans
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In reply to trouble • 8:43a, 6/20/24
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trouble said:
TyHolden said:
trouble said:
What was where Cavendars is now?
that was a goat farm. I roped many a goat back then...


After that
Wolp Pen Nursery.

Plants. Not kids.
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In reply to trouble • 10:07a, 6/20/24
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I would not object one bit to Bennigans coming back. Same for Swensons.
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In reply to A Net Full of Jello • 1:37p, 6/20/24
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A Net Full of Jello said:
I would not object one bit to Bennigans coming back. Same for Swensons.
My health would object to the return of the majestic monte cristo!
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1:46p, 6/20/24
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Bennigan's is a 500k investment with a 50k annual royalty and %5 profits to the big guys. Not sure how you recoup that. No way I'd do that at the old Mo's location for a $10k monthly lease and no free parking. These places need a steady flow of regular customers.
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11:06a, 6/21/24
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Maybe the city should buy Mo's and give free parking and discounts to the citizens that pay taxes. Make it OUR place.
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In reply to TyHolden • 11:13a, 6/21/24
Free parking isn't really something they are pursuing lately.
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In reply to maroon barchetta • 11:16a, 6/21/24
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maroon barchetta said:
Free parking isn't really something they are pursuing lately.
put it on the citizens tab. Is it any worse than buying Macy's?
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In reply to TyHolden • 12:00p, 6/21/24
TyHolden said:
Bennigan's is a 500k investment with a 50k annual royalty and %5 profits to the big guys. Not sure how you recoup that. No way I'd do that at the old Mo's location for a $10k monthly lease and no free parking. These places need a steady flow of regular customers.


There's no way on God's green Earth the lease there is $10,000 monthly. That space prob rents for $40/sq ft plus NNN/CAM. Judging it to be probably a 4200 sq ft space, not counting mezzanine and patio, that's a $14,000 base rent. The NNN/CAM there has gotta be at least $12-$15/ft, So, conservatively, that's an $18,000 gross rent minimum. Willing to bet it's much more.
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In reply to A Net Full of Jello • 12:05p, 6/21/24
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A Net Full of Jello said:
I would not object one bit to Bennigans coming back. Same for Swensons.


We have a family trip to SF set up in October for a wedding and Swensens is the place I'm looking forward to going most. The Sticky Chewy chocolate ice cream was legendary. Of course, its probably pretty unrealistic to think it'll live up to the hype I've created in my head channeling my childhood but still looking forward to it!
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In reply to TyHolden • 12:07p, 6/21/24
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TyHolden said:
Bennigan's is a 500k investment with a 50k annual royalty and %5 profits to the big guys. Not sure how you recoup that. No way I'd do that at the old Mo's location for a $10k monthly lease and no free parking. These places need a steady flow of regular customers.
By 500k investment you mean into the build out or paying Bennigans directly for the right to use their name? (And then build out is separate)? Because if its just to pay Bennigans for the rights I'm pretty sure that's very very negotiable at this point.
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In reply to Orlando Ayala Cant Read • 12:09p, 6/21/24
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Orlando Ayala Cant Read said:
TyHolden said:
Bennigan's is a 500k investment with a 50k annual royalty and %5 profits to the big guys. Not sure how you recoup that. No way I'd do that at the old Mo's location for a $10k monthly lease and no free parking. These places need a steady flow of regular customers.
By 500k investment you mean into the build out or paying Bennigans directly for the right to use their name? (And then build out is separate)? Because if its just to pay Bennigans for the rights I'm pretty sure that's very very negotiable at this point.

He's talking about the revitalization of the franchise.

https://bennigans.com/inside-the-resurrection-of-the-legendary-steak-and-ale-restaurant-chain/

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In reply to techno-ag • 12:24p, 6/21/24
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techno-ag said:
Orlando Ayala Cant Read said:
TyHolden said:
Bennigan's is a 500k investment with a 50k annual royalty and %5 profits to the big guys. Not sure how you recoup that. No way I'd do that at the old Mo's location for a $10k monthly lease and no free parking. These places need a steady flow of regular customers.
By 500k investment you mean into the build out or paying Bennigans directly for the right to use their name? (And then build out is separate)? Because if its just to pay Bennigans for the rights I'm pretty sure that's very very negotiable at this point.

He's talking about the revitalization of the franchise.

https://bennigans.com/inside-the-resurrection-of-the-legendary-steak-and-ale-restaurant-chain/

yeah, actually you just need to have $500k of net worth before they will consider you. I stated that incorrectly.
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In reply to australopithecus robustus • 1:08p, 6/21/24
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australopithecus robustus said:
TyHolden said:
Bennigan's is a 500k investment with a 50k annual royalty and %5 profits to the big guys. Not sure how you recoup that. No way I'd do that at the old Mo's location for a $10k monthly lease and no free parking. These places need a steady flow of regular customers.


There's no way on God's green Earth the lease there is $10,000 monthly. That space prob rents for $40/sq ft plus NNN/CAM. Judging it to be probably a 4200 sq ft space, not counting mezzanine and patio, that's a $14,000 base rent. The NNN/CAM there has gotta be at least $12-$15/ft, So, conservatively, that's an $18,000 gross rent minimum. Willing to bet it's much more.
Obviously, I'm not in the commercial real estate or restaurant business. Would a place like Mo's be expected to take in more than $20k a month? The only times I've seen it packed are drinking holidays and game days. I've never been there past 9pm on a regular weekend though.
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In reply to TyHolden • 1:13p, 6/21/24
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TyHolden said:
australopithecus robustus said:
TyHolden said:
Bennigan's is a 500k investment with a 50k annual royalty and %5 profits to the big guys. Not sure how you recoup that. No way I'd do that at the old Mo's location for a $10k monthly lease and no free parking. These places need a steady flow of regular customers.


There's no way on God's green Earth the lease there is $10,000 monthly. That space prob rents for $40/sq ft plus NNN/CAM. Judging it to be probably a 4200 sq ft space, not counting mezzanine and patio, that's a $14,000 base rent. The NNN/CAM there has gotta be at least $12-$15/ft, So, conservatively, that's an $18,000 gross rent minimum. Willing to bet it's much more.
Obviously, I'm not in the commercial real estate or restaurant business. Would a place like Mo's be expected to take in more than $20k a month? The only times I've seen it packed are drinking holidays and game days. I've never been there past 9pm on a regular weekend though.
They'd need to pull in $650-700/day just to cover the rent. That doesn't sound bad until you throw in everything else they have to cover.
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In reply to techno-ag • 1:40p, 6/21/24
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Not worth it. With the price of rent around here, we are going to lose more mom and pop places in favor of national chains. If I'm a mom and pop, I'm opening a food truck because NNN is crazy here.
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In reply to TyHolden • 4:20p, 6/21/24
A $20,000 rent would translate to them needing $240k sales monthly minimum to be viable.
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In reply to tamc93 • 6:42p, 6/21/24
Good point - I didn't think about the big truck problem. My tiny Ranger fits in fine.
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