Its not an investment in children, it is to pay for athletic facilitiesIndependence H-D said:
Yeah, it's a horrible thing for community to invest in their best natural resources. Our children should not be invested in at all.
Keep this up and eventually our school system will be as beautiful and successful as Hearne.
t-rex said:Its not an investment in children, it is to pay for athletic facilitiesIndependence H-D said:
Yeah, it's a horrible thing for community to invest in their best natural resources. Our children should not be invested in at all.
Keep this up and eventually our school system will be as beautiful and successful as Hearne.
chickencoupe16 said:After a quick Google search, construction of a turf field costs on average $780k. Grass costs $610k. Knowing that the current grass field requires repairs, let's budget half of the new construction costs ($305k) for that to repairs. So the difference is $475k. If College Station spent $36k on field rentals every year, it would take a little over 13 years to see a return on investment.Independence H-D said:
If I'm not mistaken CSISD spent $36,000 last year having to play on area fields other than their own. That'll add up quick.
But another Google search tells us that the average field lasts 8-10 years. Let's call it 9 years. Over 9 years, turf field installation costs $151k more than rentals. At this number, I'm actually ok with voting yes on the bond BUT...
The amount of repairs to the existing field should be closer to ZERO if, as claimed, the erosion issues have existed from the beginning as the contractor or engineer should be on the hook for it. Now we need 22 years of rental costs to pay off the field which will need replacement ever 9 years.
But we can't pretend we don't need a new field and the cost is not zero, you say. I agree. But that is the fault of the district and I will not vote to give money to an organization that could not adequately manage the first construction just so they can bungle an even more expensive second project which will then lock us into to replacements every decade.
We definitely would not playing this weekend if it wasn’t for @yoebsball turf facility to host our Bi-District playoff series 🌧️ We appreciate it! #TigerTown #LakeConsol pic.twitter.com/rlOhPnejU8
— B.J. Burton (@Coach_Burton14) May 2, 2024
Hornbeck said:
Just because folks don't want to send on athletics, doesn't mean they won't say yes to academics.
Independence H-D said:t-rex said:Its not an investment in children, it is to pay for athletic facilitiesIndependence H-D said:
Yeah, it's a horrible thing for community to invest in their best natural resources. Our children should not be invested in at all.
Keep this up and eventually our school system will be as beautiful and successful as Hearne.
The fact that you can't recognize that those are the same thing.....
You know how often my high school rebuilt the infield? Not once in the 4 years I played, and our infield was just fine. I'm not saying Consol's field doesn't need work but I don't believe that an entire rebuild is necessary every other year. Even if it is, provide some actual numbers for your point if you want anyone to believe you. My post has numbers and I can provide a source if you really want but without numbers attached, your post is just more hand wringing over not getting your way.TAMU1990 said:chickencoupe16 said:After a quick Google search, construction of a turf field costs on average $780k. Grass costs $610k. Knowing that the current grass field requires repairs, let's budget half of the new construction costs ($305k) for that to repairs. So the difference is $475k. If College Station spent $36k on field rentals every year, it would take a little over 13 years to see a return on investment.Independence H-D said:
If I'm not mistaken CSISD spent $36,000 last year having to play on area fields other than their own. That'll add up quick.
But another Google search tells us that the average field lasts 8-10 years. Let's call it 9 years. Over 9 years, turf field installation costs $151k more than rentals. At this number, I'm actually ok with voting yes on the bond BUT...
The amount of repairs to the existing field should be closer to ZERO if, as claimed, the erosion issues have existed from the beginning as the contractor or engineer should be on the hook for it. Now we need 22 years of rental costs to pay off the field which will need replacement ever 9 years.
But we can't pretend we don't need a new field and the cost is not zero, you say. I agree. But that is the fault of the district and I will not vote to give money to an organization that could not adequately manage the first construction just so they can bungle an even more expensive second project which will then lock us into to replacements every decade.We definitely would not playing this weekend if it wasn’t for @yoebsball turf facility to host our Bi-District playoff series 🌧️ We appreciate it! #TigerTown #LakeConsol pic.twitter.com/rlOhPnejU8
— B.J. Burton (@Coach_Burton14) May 2, 2024
This is from today. You see the dirt? The dirt alone should be leveled and replaced every year to prevent different levels from the infield to the outfield (the dip you see between the infield and the grass). This is not happening. At a minimum the infield should be rebuilt every other year. The last time it happened was when the booster club paid for it before COVID. The kids lose practice time every single time it rains. It's not an expense a booster club should be paying for every year, or can necessary afford to do so.
This was the conditions after tarp pull today. Consol has a full sized infield tarp that goes into the
This is not true in many cases. There are many High Schools that do not have any athletic programs (at least not a football program) and they are doing just fine, in fact you could say many of these schools are much better academicallyIndependence H-D said:Hornbeck said:
Just because folks don't want to send on athletics, doesn't mean they won't say yes to academics.
The student experience is holistic. It involves athletics and academics. They are intertwined. This is not just an "athletics" bond. This affects the VAST majority of students.
Independence H-D said:
Fields aren't the only issue. Baseball locker room is woefully inadequate. I believe there are 7 shower heads, 5 of which work on the regular, for over 50 kids. They practice during the day and have to try and get all those kids clean and back to classes.....
But, I guess being hygienic has no effect on learning.
MelvinUdall said:Independence H-D said:
Fields aren't the only issue. Baseball locker room is woefully inadequate. I believe there are 7 shower heads, 5 of which work on the regular, for over 50 kids. They practice during the day and have to try and get all those kids clean and back to classes.....
But, I guess being hygienic has no effect on learning.
As someone that had 3 kids active in sports through HS, this concern is the least of it…again, the role of the district is to educate kids, yes, sports play a part, but facility upgrades for sports should absolutely be the least of it all.
MelvinUdall said:Independence H-D said:
Fields aren't the only issue. Baseball locker room is woefully inadequate. I believe there are 7 shower heads, 5 of which work on the regular, for over 50 kids. They practice during the day and have to try and get all those kids clean and back to classes.....
But, I guess being hygienic has no effect on learning.
As someone that had 3 kids active in sports through HS, this concern is the least of it…again, the role of the district is to educate kids, yes, sports play a part, but facility upgrades for sports should absolutely be the least of it all.
4lilmonkeys said:MelvinUdall said:Independence H-D said:
Fields aren't the only issue. Baseball locker room is woefully inadequate. I believe there are 7 shower heads, 5 of which work on the regular, for over 50 kids. They practice during the day and have to try and get all those kids clean and back to classes.....
But, I guess being hygienic has no effect on learning.
As someone that had 3 kids active in sports through HS, this concern is the least of it…again, the role of the district is to educate kids, yes, sports play a part, but facility upgrades for sports should absolutely be the least of it all.
You're right. I was totally fine with my kid sitting out in the hall covered in blood waiting to see the trainer after he was injured this morning during practice. Something a little extra space could easily solve, but I understand… it's just not necessary.
If this was actually an issue, why wasn't an ambulance called? If this was actually an issue, why aren't the trainers triaging cases appropriately? You present this like your kid nearly bled out but I'm guessing that's not the case.4lilmonkeys said:MelvinUdall said:Independence H-D said:
Fields aren't the only issue. Baseball locker room is woefully inadequate. I believe there are 7 shower heads, 5 of which work on the regular, for over 50 kids. They practice during the day and have to try and get all those kids clean and back to classes.....
But, I guess being hygienic has no effect on learning.
As someone that had 3 kids active in sports through HS, this concern is the least of it…again, the role of the district is to educate kids, yes, sports play a part, but facility upgrades for sports should absolutely be the least of it all.
You're right. I was totally fine with my kid sitting out in the hall covered in blood waiting to see the trainer after he was injured this morning during practice. Something a little extra space could easily solve, but I understand… it's just not necessary.
MelvinUdall said:4lilmonkeys said:MelvinUdall said:Independence H-D said:
Fields aren't the only issue. Baseball locker room is woefully inadequate. I believe there are 7 shower heads, 5 of which work on the regular, for over 50 kids. They practice during the day and have to try and get all those kids clean and back to classes.....
But, I guess being hygienic has no effect on learning.
As someone that had 3 kids active in sports through HS, this concern is the least of it…again, the role of the district is to educate kids, yes, sports play a part, but facility upgrades for sports should absolutely be the least of it all.
You're right. I was totally fine with my kid sitting out in the hall covered in blood waiting to see the trainer after he was injured this morning during practice. Something a little extra space could easily solve, but I understand… it's just not necessary.
Siggghhhh…ok…again, I have had all 3 of my kids go through varsity athletics, and recently, sorry I see this differently than you.
chickencoupe16 said:If this was actually an issue, why wasn't an ambulance called? If this was actually an issue, why aren't the trainers triaging cases appropriately? You present this like your kid nearly bled out but I'm guessing that's not the case.4lilmonkeys said:MelvinUdall said:Independence H-D said:
Fields aren't the only issue. Baseball locker room is woefully inadequate. I believe there are 7 shower heads, 5 of which work on the regular, for over 50 kids. They practice during the day and have to try and get all those kids clean and back to classes.....
But, I guess being hygienic has no effect on learning.
As someone that had 3 kids active in sports through HS, this concern is the least of it…again, the role of the district is to educate kids, yes, sports play a part, but facility upgrades for sports should absolutely be the least of it all.
You're right. I was totally fine with my kid sitting out in the hall covered in blood waiting to see the trainer after he was injured this morning during practice. Something a little extra space could easily solve, but I understand… it's just not necessary.
4lilmonkeys said:MelvinUdall said:4lilmonkeys said:MelvinUdall said:Independence H-D said:
Fields aren't the only issue. Baseball locker room is woefully inadequate. I believe there are 7 shower heads, 5 of which work on the regular, for over 50 kids. They practice during the day and have to try and get all those kids clean and back to classes.....
But, I guess being hygienic has no effect on learning.
As someone that had 3 kids active in sports through HS, this concern is the least of it…again, the role of the district is to educate kids, yes, sports play a part, but facility upgrades for sports should absolutely be the least of it all.
You're right. I was totally fine with my kid sitting out in the hall covered in blood waiting to see the trainer after he was injured this morning during practice. Something a little extra space could easily solve, but I understand… it's just not necessary.
Siggghhhh…ok…again, I have had all 3 of my kids go through varsity athletics, and recently, sorry I see this differently than you.
It's the flippant "it's not necessary." And then when someone says "actually it is," there's yet another dumb reason to say "no, my kids did it and it wasn't an issue so it shouldn't be for anyone else" or "when I was their age I walked to football uphill both ways."
It's 2024. My kids won't even really benefit, but someone else's will. I have given thousands to CSISD in dollars and in time and I'll continue to do so after mine graduate. It's silly to me that we have to squabble over this but hand over millions in "technology" that will be obsolete in two years. But okay.
Are you saying that our school academics is tied to our athletic programs? That should not be the case at any high school.Independence H-D said:
It is true in our case.
doubledog said:Are you saying that our school academics is tied to our athletic programs? That should not be the case at any high school.Independence H-D said:
It is true in our case.
Extracurricular activities like chess club, yes.. Sports not so much.Independence H-D said:doubledog said:Are you saying that our school academics is tied to our athletic programs? That should not be the case at any high school.Independence H-D said:
It is true in our case.
That is the case in every high school. Students who participate in extracurricular activities tend to do much better academically. The percentage of kids that participate in athletics and tertiary programs such as band, athletic training, video production, etc is almost 80%.
doubledog said:Extracurricular activities like chess club, yes.. Sports not so much.Independence H-D said:doubledog said:Are you saying that our school academics is tied to our athletic programs? That should not be the case at any high school.Independence H-D said:
It is true in our case.
That is the case in every high school. Students who participate in extracurricular activities tend to do much better academically. The percentage of kids that participate in athletics and tertiary programs such as band, athletic training, video production, etc is almost 80%.
That's where I was at a few days ago.Independence H-D said:
I don't know how I can explain it any simpler. Vote for it or don't. I'm tired.
