PS3D said:

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As I understand it, posters on TexAgs want to encourage high-density development in Northgate to "stick all the students close to campus" without comprehending that this works against what they think this will achieve, it means MORE city traffic, MORE students spreading throughout the rest of the city, and MORE problems like the Rosemary sewer line situation.

What is the "correct" option? I'm not sure. All I'm saying that Northgate density is far from the panacea you all pretend/want it to be.

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Not sure I'd call it a panacea but sure, if we put 10,000 students or so (IDK the real number) across the street from campus then they can walk or ride bikes to class. There is a benefit to proximity.

techno-ag said:

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PS3D said:

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As I understand it, posters on TexAgs want to encourage high-density development in Northgate to "stick all the students close to campus" without comprehending that this works against what they think this will achieve, it means MORE city traffic, MORE students spreading throughout the rest of the city, and MORE problems like the Rosemary sewer line situation.

What is the "correct" option? I'm not sure. All I'm saying that Northgate density is far from the panacea you all pretend/want it to be.

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Not sure I'd call it a panacea but sure, if we put 10,000 students or so (IDK the real number) across the street from campus then they can walk or ride bikes to class. There is a benefit to proximity.

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But will they? If class is on West Campus?

My old "traditional " neighborhood has had students living in it since I've been here. There are a scattering of Agshacks as well, and there have never been issues with them.

The idea of creating a massive student ghetto (using the ancient version of that word) is misguided, based mostly on emotion, and just old Boomer NIMBY at its worst.

But if this university is going to keep growing, students cannot and will not be confined to Northgate. That's the reality, and NIMBYs are going to have to suck it up, period. You live in a college town, you live with students.

CEAg78 said:

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techno-ag said:

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PS3D said:

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As I understand it, posters on TexAgs want to encourage high-density development in Northgate to "stick all the students close to campus" without comprehending that this works against what they think this will achieve, it means MORE city traffic, MORE students spreading throughout the rest of the city, and MORE problems like the Rosemary sewer line situation.

What is the "correct" option? I'm not sure. All I'm saying that Northgate density is far from the panacea you all pretend/want it to be.

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Not sure I'd call it a panacea but sure, if we put 10,000 students or so (IDK the real number) across the street from campus then they can walk or ride bikes to class. There is a benefit to proximity.

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But will they? If class is on West Campus?

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I doubt they will drive their cars from behind Northgate a few blocks to West Campus. Hundreds if not thousands are walking, riding bikes, or boards or wheels of some sort across Univ Dr to campus every day.

techno-ag said:

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PS3D said:

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As I understand it, posters on TexAgs want to encourage high-density development in Northgate to "stick all the students close to campus" without comprehending that this works against what they think this will achieve, it means MORE city traffic, MORE students spreading throughout the rest of the city, and MORE problems like the Rosemary sewer line situation.

What is the "correct" option? I'm not sure. All I'm saying that Northgate density is far from the panacea you all pretend/want it to be.

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Not sure I'd call it a panacea but sure, if we put 10,000 students or so (IDK the real number) across the street from campus then they can walk or ride bikes to class. There is a benefit to proximity.

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The broad "Northgate area" (from Wellborn to Texas, and back toward the Bryan area) is only about a third of a mile squared...and 30,000 people per square mile is literally urban India tier. To suggest that this is feasible (at least with maintaining a satisfactory quality of life) or desirable is laughable.

I also find it interesting that TexAgs posters seem to be want development on Northgate and only Northgate. Eastgate is also "across the street from campus" (I lived there when I was a student) yet I have a feeling that a 20-story "student living" tower at Foster and Walton won't be welcomed with open arms.

PS3D said:

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techno-ag said:

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PS3D said:

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As I understand it, posters on TexAgs want to encourage high-density development in Northgate to "stick all the students close to campus" without comprehending that this works against what they think this will achieve, it means MORE city traffic, MORE students spreading throughout the rest of the city, and MORE problems like the Rosemary sewer line situation.

What is the "correct" option? I'm not sure. All I'm saying that Northgate density is far from the panacea you all pretend/want it to be.

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Not sure I'd call it a panacea but sure, if we put 10,000 students or so (IDK the real number) across the street from campus then they can walk or ride bikes to class. There is a benefit to proximity.

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The broad "Northgate area" (from Wellborn to Texas, and back toward the Bryan area) is only about a third of a mile squared...and 30,000 people per square mile is literally urban India tier. To suggest that this is feasible (at least with maintaining a satisfactory quality of life) or desirable is laughable.

I also find it interesting that TexAgs posters seem to be want development on Northgate and only Northgate. Eastgate is also "across the street from campus" (I lived there when I was a student) yet I have a feeling that a 20-story "student living" tower at Foster and Walton won't be welcomed with open arms.

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According to the data on slide 3 of the linked presentation, once construction of 315 College Main and 401 First St wrap up, Northgate proper (bounded by Wellborn, University, South College, and Bryan city limits) will have 8822 bedrooms in multifamily complexes. This number does not include many of the fourplexes and smaller or the 280 bedrooms in the Everett at A&M complex (which I believe is currently under construction). It also doesn't include the 850 bedrooms planned for the property at University and Wellborn or the unspecified number of bedrooms in the potential projects at First and Church or First and University (but I'd expect the 800 range for both of those). If you extend Northgate to Texas, you add the Gardens apartments, 100 Park (249 units), and Northpoint Crossing (1840 bedrooms).

https://blog.cstx.gov/wp-content/uploads/2022/08/2-Northgate-Overview.pdf

I wouldn't make that second assumption about all TexAgs community members. The city is already working on plans to enable and encourage a denser redevelopment of the area around Texas and University and I'm completely in favor of it. Fill the entire area bounded by Texas, University, Eisenhower, and Lincoln with 10 - 20 floor mixed-use developments- especially since the engineering district is growing in that direction. Get rid of the big box stores and oversized parking lots. I'd also fill the area bounded by Lincoln, Texas, Foster, and Francis with 5 - 10 floor mixed-use developments. The front of campus would look so much more inviting!

https://theeagle.com/news/college-station-city-council-hears-update-on-redevelopment-plan-along-texas-avenue-and-university-drive/article_d177ee70-c9e9-11ed-8008-83facc54ba3c.html

Temple Ag said:

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College Station would be just like Hearne if it wasn't for the students.

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It would have had its Wal-Mart taken away by corporate?

It most likely would not even exist. The College Station was a railroad stop by the campus. There were no businesses, no houses, etc.- just a few college buildings. Bryan was a thriving cotton and financial centers.