Bryan ISD dropping the masks next year

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threecatcorner
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" tired of the government overreach"

How is Abbott preventing local government, school districts, and public health authorities from making their own decisions not government overreach? It's state overreach instead of federal overreach. Not sure how that's supposed to be better. It's still the government telling others what they can and can't do.
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Because we are Texas residents and as the Texas governor, he has the authority to make that decision on behalf of his constituents. I'm sorry that you don't like that, but you have every right as a Texas resident to vote him out next election. As stated, no one is stopping or judging you for wearing a mask. Please respect our decision to not.
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threecatcorner said:

" tired of the government overreach"

How is Abbott preventing local government, school districts, and public health authorities from making their own decisions not government overreach? It's state overreach instead of federal overreach. Not sure how that's supposed to be better. It's still the government telling others what they can and can't do.
Because a good number of local officials in this state especially in many of the urban areas, put politics and further destruction of our personal liberties ahead of real scientific data. Doctor after doctor at places like Stanford and Johns Hopkins have come out with studies that show the masks the majority of people wear have very little efficacy even when worn perfectly. The overwhelming majority of individuals do not wear these things correctly. Enough is enough, especially when it comes to a cohort(school aged kids) that do not really get sick from this virus, nor do they transmit it well. Again, I don't care if people around me want to wear 10 masks. Adults can now walk in to a pharmacy and get vaccinated. The science tells us these vaccines prevent infection at a 95% clip. If you haven't gotten vaccinated at this point, that's your choice and your problem. And this "variant" talk is nothing but fear porn, period.
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RafterAg223 said:

threecatcorner said:

" tired of the government overreach"

How is Abbott preventing local government, school districts, and public health authorities from making their own decisions not government overreach? It's state overreach instead of federal overreach. Not sure how that's supposed to be better. It's still the government telling others what they can and can't do.
Because a good number of local officials in this state especially in many of the urban areas, put politics and further destruction of our personal liberties ahead of real scientific data. Doctor after doctor at places like Stanford and Johns Hopkins have come out with studies that show the masks the majority of people wear have very little efficacy even when worn perfectly. The overwhelming majority of individuals do not wear these things correctly. Enough is enough, especially when it comes to a cohort(school aged kids) that do not really get sick from this virus, nor do they transmit it well. Again, I don't care if people around me want to wear 10 masks. Adults can now walk in to a pharmacy and get vaccinated. The science tells us these vaccines prevent infection at a 95% clip. If you haven't gotten vaccinated at this point, that's your choice and your problem. And this "variant" talk is nothing but fear porn, period.

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BCStalk said:

Because we are Texas residents and as the Texas governor, he has the authority to make that decision on behalf of his constituents. I'm sorry that you don't like that, but you have every right as a Texas resident to vote him out next election. As stated, no one is stopping or judging you for wearing a mask. Please respect our decision to not.
We are also residents of our counties and cities. The governor making a decision banning something statewide is still government overreach. When we like what he bans (decision making on the local level), we applaud his decision. When we don't like what he bans, we call for him to be voted out. As Republicans, we don't like the decisions that the Democrat mayors and county judges of the large counties are making requiring masks. To combat that, the Republican governor uses what is typically frowned on, government regulation, to combat.....government regulation.
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You have the personal choice to continue to wear a mask. So his decision does not affect you.
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What he did was take away the ability of a government entity to force people to do something that isn't necessary.

You can still wear a mask. You just can't be forced to wear a mask.
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dubi said:

You have the personal choice to continue to wear a mask. So his decision does not affect you.
This decision affects all of us, including me. I don't wear a mask unless required by where I am. I do not like them, Sam I Am.

I'm more concerned with the precedent set of the state government setting policy's that should be left in the hands of local governments. Again, we applaud this decision because we agree with the results it brings. If a Democratic governor one day makes an overreaching mandate, I will not agree with that either. We are so focused on the mask issue (that no one followed even when mandated), we are missing the government power grab from the state.
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Mr.Short-termMemory said:

We are also residents of our counties and cities. The governor making a decision banning something statewide is still government overreach.


Mr.Short-termMemory said:

the Republican governor uses what is typically frowned on, government regulation, to combat.....government regulation.


Thank you, Mr. Short-TermMemory. If we're for freedom from government in Texas, we shouldn't want state government to do so much overreach. People definitely complained when Abbott issued the mask mandate in the first place and said it was overreach (and it kinda was; could've easily said it's a big state and requirements differ by area, population size, etc.). Banning local ordinances is overreach too.
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threecatcorner said:

Mr.Short-termMemory said:

We are also residents of our counties and cities. The governor making a decision banning something statewide is still government overreach.


Mr.Short-termMemory said:

the Republican governor uses what is typically frowned on, government regulation, to combat.....government regulation.


Thank you, Mr. Short-TermMemory. If we're for freedom from government in Texas, we shouldn't want state government to do so much overreach. People definitely complained when Abbott issued the mask mandate in the first place and said it was overreach (and it kinda was; could've easily said it's a big state and requirements differ by area, population size, etc.). Banning local ordinances is overreach too.
Sorry, But when you have certain local leaders like Lina Hidalgo in Harris County, Clay Jenkins in Dallas, and Nelson Wolfe in San Antonio you can no longer depend on them to make rational decisions based on real science and data. We're at the point where decision making power on certain things must be taken out of the hands of power thirsty individuals like those. Common sense must rule at some point. They have fear mongered with their predictions at every turn through this pandemic and they have been wrong almost entirely.
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Sorry, But when you have certain local leaders like Lina Hidalgo in Harris County, Clay Jenkins in Dallas, and Nelson Wolfe in San Antonio you can no longer depend on them to make rational decisions based on real science and data. We're at the point where decision making power on certain things must be taken out of the hands of power thirsty individuals like those. Common sense must rule at some point. They have fear mongered with their predictions at every turn through this pandemic and they have been wrong almost entirely.

This is on point. HIdalgo still has Harris County on "code red"!!!

An outdoor iron man race was cancelled because part of the biking went into Harris County. However, they can hold a MMA fight in a county owned building located in the midst of Houston.
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Mr.Short-termMemory said:

dubi said:

we are missing the government power grab from the state.

This entire dog and pony placation exercise has been a governmental power grab
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Mr.Short-termMemory said:

BCStalk said:

Because we are Texas residents and as the Texas governor, he has the authority to make that decision on behalf of his constituents. I'm sorry that you don't like that, but you have every right as a Texas resident to vote him out next election. As stated, no one is stopping or judging you for wearing a mask. Please respect our decision to not.
We are also residents of our counties and cities. The governor making a decision banning something statewide is still government overreach. When we like what he bans (decision making on the local level), we applaud his decision. When we don't like what he bans, we call for him to be voted out. As Republicans, we don't like the decisions that the Democrat mayors and county judges of the large counties are making requiring masks. To combat that, the Republican governor uses what is typically frowned on, government regulation, to combat.....government regulation.
Except the power of government, granted by the people, rests at the State level.

The power that cities and counties have flows from the State, not the other way around.
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Sorry, But when you have certain local leaders like Lina Hidalgo in Harris County, Clay Jenkins in Dallas, and Nelson Wolfe in San Antonio you can no longer depend on them to make rational decisions based on real science and data. We're at the point where decision making power on certain things must be taken out of the hands of power thirsty individuals like those.
EXACTLY!

Abbot knows that he screwed up and gave too much power to people that weren't qualified to have it. He's taken power back from the incompetent...but power mad... and given it back to the people.
NONE of those people want this to end. I actually think that it makes them sick to see their power rescinded.
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Austin is not overreaching local authority, rather forcing these officials to make only justifiable restrictions. County officials can start making all kinds of crazy restrictions if relevant regional hospitalizations rates exceed 15% again.
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An outdoor iron man race was cancelled because part of the biking went into Harris County. However, they can hold a MMA fight in a county owned building located in the midst of Houston.
Large funerals were super spreaders and families couldn't pay last respects to their loved ones that they actually knew.

Same thing with weddings.

HOWEVER......

A funeral where a political statement could be made could be attended by a bunch of politicians that didn't even know the man.
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Hidalgo's order to change the Harris county threat level from red to orange yesterday. Link

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ALERT: Harris County is lowering threat level to Level 2 (orange) AND threat levels apply primarily to unvaccinated: Minimize all contacts unless fully vaccinated. More at http://ReadyHarris.org


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At least someone else here knows and understands this. The state governs local municipals. I would have assumed this to be common knowledge. City's have and always will follow state regulations.
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What a joke she is.

Giving people "permission" to do what they have already been doing.
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Mr.Short-termMemory said:

dubi said:

You have the personal choice to continue to wear a mask. So his decision does not affect you.
This decision affects all of us, including me. I don't wear a mask unless required by where I am. I do not like them, Sam I Am.

I'm more concerned with the precedent set of the state government setting policy's that should be left in the hands of local governments. Again, we applaud this decision because we agree with the results it brings. If a Democratic governor one day makes an overreaching mandate, I will not agree with that either. We are so focused on the mask issue (that no one followed even when mandated), we are missing the government power grab from the state.
Uh .. this is not a power grab by the state. It's a relinquishing of power.
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threecatcorner said:

" tired of the government overreach"

How is Abbott preventing local government, school districts, and public health authorities from making their own decisions not government overreach? It's state overreach instead of federal overreach. Not sure how that's supposed to be better. It's still the government telling others what they can and can't do.
He is preventing school districts from MANDATING that you do something. It's not overreach to give you MORE freedom.
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techno-ag said:

Mr.Short-termMemory said:

dubi said:

You have the personal choice to continue to wear a mask. So his decision does not affect you.
This decision affects all of us, including me. I don't wear a mask unless required by where I am. I do not like them, Sam I Am.

I'm more concerned with the precedent set of the state government setting policy's that should be left in the hands of local governments. Again, we applaud this decision because we agree with the results it brings. If a Democratic governor one day makes an overreaching mandate, I will not agree with that either. We are so focused on the mask issue (that no one followed even when mandated), we are missing the government power grab from the state.
Uh .. this is not a power grab by the state. It's a relinquishing of power.


This......Some here could benefit from a simple civics refresher and a better understanding of how the layers of governance in this state work from Austin on down. Without several moves from the governor over the last year, the judges in the big 3 counties would have unnecessarily shut their city economies completely down. They were clamoring for it. It isn't overreach now and it wasn't overreach when he blocked them from being able to issue unnecessary stay at home orders again after the first one.
 
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