Is this an oddball year?

Seems like every 4 years, ammo, powder, bullets, primers are in short supply from Sept to at least Jan the following year.

This year, I'm finding just about everything is available right now. Shelves are full of 5.56, 9mm, .45 Auto, primers, bullets, powder, etc..

I was anticipating the same old circus. Nice to see that the stores are able to handle the demand.

I have spent the last few years improving my personal supply. Getting into reloading was a game changer. I no longer have ammo anxiety.

Na I don't think that's true. There have been two major shortages in the last 20 years and one minor one but none were caused by an election.

The first was the Sandy Hook tragedy followed by Obamas gun ban effort which died in the senate.

Second was Covid and the George Floyd riots where everything was short.

And the third was last year when Oct 7 happened which really only hit the wholesale markets. Retail really didn't budge.

There are some that say 9/11 caused one but I was too poor to notice back then and 5.56 wasn't nearly as popular as. Is

I think a lot of us were caught short handed by Sandy Hook and learned a lesson. Those that didn't learned after Covid.

zooguy96 said:

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I'd assume because most don't expect Kamamaladingdong to actually get elected, but I could be wrong.

Also, everyone should have already stocked up enough.

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Second part is the biggest reason.

Most of those that would rush out to buy an AR and a case of green tip have already done it, and the overwhelming majority of them probably have 970 rounds of the original 1000 still in the ammo can so no real need for them to make a second rush again.

schmellba99 said:

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zooguy96 said:

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I'd assume because most don't expect Kamamaladingdong to actually get elected, but I could be wrong.

Also, everyone should have already stocked up enough.

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Second part is the biggest reason.

Most of those that would rush out to buy an AR and a case of green tip have already done it, and the overwhelming majority of them probably have 970 rounds of the original 1000 still in the ammo can so no real need for them to make a second rush again.

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That is 100% me. When Sandy Hook happened I had just moved from Vegas to DFW. Right before I left my friends and I went out in the dessert and pretty much shot up all of my ammo. I don't remember exactly how much I had but I know it wasn't much. It was something like one full magazine for my Glock, maybe two cylinders worth of .38 spl, a box of 30-06, and that's it. We had shot up all my 7.62x39, I didn't own an AR, no ball ammo in any caliber, etc. I had a lot of rifles and pistols that I couldn't shoot at all.

Lesson learned. When prices came back to earth I got an AR, then traded it for another, then another til I got one I half way like, and will die before I shoot up all my ammo in my main calibers. . I even have ammo for calibers I don't own.

It is a good time to buy right now.

Dems talk about gun control the same way republicans talk about illegal immigration and reducing spending. Once they get in office they don't actually do anything about it.

TamponTim and Scamala are gun owners OP!

schmellba99 said:

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NoahAg said:

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Dems talk about gun control the same way republicans talk about illegal immigration and reducing spending. Once they get in office they don't actually do anything about it.

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I'd contend that over the last 8-12 years that the only reason nothing has been done about either is because of the split houses in congress. And that isn't always a bad thing either.

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Split house in Congress is part of it.

The other, more sinister part is, if you slam dunked the issue, one way or the other. I mean made it completely go away........You can't fund raise on it anymore....

Wish I had a gun.

NoahAg said:

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Dems talk about gun control the same way republicans talk about illegal immigration and reducing spending. Once they get in office they don't actually do anything about it.

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Yes, this. I think we're all collectively figuring out that there's no need to panic-buy. I mean, feel free to do just that, but gun/ammo control doomsday scenarios keep not happening.

snowaggie said:

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NoahAg said:

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Dems talk about gun control the same way republicans talk about illegal immigration and reducing spending. Once they get in office they don't actually do anything about it.

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Yes, this. I think we're all collectively figuring out that there's no need to panic-buy. I mean, feel free to do just that, but gun/ammo control doomsday scenarios keep not happening.

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It will happen eventually. Washington keeps shifting further left.

Go back and watch some of Al Gore's campaign speeches from 2000. Today, the news would label him as a right wing extremist.

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snowaggie said:

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NoahAg said:

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Dems talk about gun control the same way republicans talk about illegal immigration and reducing spending. Once they get in office they don't actually do anything about it.

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Yes, this. I think we're all collectively figuring out that there's no need to panic-buy. I mean, feel free to do just that, but gun/ammo control doomsday scenarios keep not happening.

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It will happen eventually. Washington keeps shifting further left.

Go back and watch some of Al Gore's campaign speeches from 2000. Today, the news would label him as a right wing extremist.

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I disagree. I think that doomsday stuff is FAR more unlikely today than it was 25 years ago and that it is not even close.

At the risk of discussing politics on the OB, there are certain positions that are losers nationally. And it has nothing to do with whether or not you(generic) agree with them or whether or not you think they are right or wrong and are not really affected by who is in power. And they do change over time but are slow to and are typically generational. Abortion is one. Immigration is one. A new one is election denying.

Gun control is a big one and is much more of a loser today than 20 years ago. The best thing we ever did was built and sell eleventy billion AR-15 s and make them the modern day Win 94. WAY too many of those are owned by Democrats and there is nothing anyone in DC can do about it. And considering more and more kids are shooting their first deer with them or otherwise learning how to shoot with them, the GC position is becoming more of a loser every year.

I know. Someone is going to come on next and tell me all the reasons that's not right and we have to continue to fight and look at Illinois and all of that. And, to the point made earlier, if you make it a non issue you cannot campaign on it so those people will always be making those arguments. But nationally speaking, while the battle does never end, the GC crowd is all but lifeless.

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schmellba99 said:

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NoahAg said:

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Dems talk about gun control the same way republicans talk about illegal immigration and reducing spending. Once they get in office they don't actually do anything about it.

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I'd contend that over the last 8-12 years that the only reason nothing has been done about either is because of the split houses in congress. And that isn't always a bad thing either.

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Split house in Congress is part of it.

The other, more sinister part is, if you slam dunked the issue, one way or the other. I mean made it completely go away........You can't fund raise on it anymore....

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Without a doubt. Even "getting something done" would be trivial at best and magically cost us all more money. Amazing how that works, huh?

No mention of the courts? I think the current SCOTUS is a big help for keeping the anti-gunners at bay.

Not as much as we would like, but just enough.

Along those lines, im kind of surprised that our SCOTUS has remained healthy while there was an opportunity to replace one or two with those more sympathetic to their leftist agenda.

I made the argument the other day on this page that anti 2a is a loser position nationally and this article does a great job providing stats to back that up.

Never stop fighting but the gun grabbers do not have the political capitol they once had.

https://www.realclearpolicy.com/articles/2024/10/21/growing_diversity_of_gun_owners_nationwide_1066453.html

agsalaska said:

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I made the argument the other day on this page that anti 2a is a loser position nationally and this article does a great job providing stats to back that up.

Never stop fighting but the gun grabbers do not have the political capitol they once had.

https://www.realclearpolicy.com/articles/2024/10/21/growing_diversity_of_gun_owners_nationwide_1066453.html

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Agreed.

I wish Republicans could figure out the same for religious positions like abortion. I'm against it religiously and morally, but that doesn't mean it should be a federal issue.


There's just enough extremist positions from both sides that the vast majority of Americans in the middle struggle with the options at hand.

I completely disagree with that. However one side is definitely better positioned to take the middle.

Fantastic series on which party is more in line with grabbing the middle right now on 'The Liberal Patriot' substack. Third article came out today. It is on Real Clear.


And that's as far into politics as I will go on the OB.

zooguy96 said:

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Well, maybe I'm a dumbass, but:

1. Wants to take your guns: liberals.
2. Doesn't want you to have free speech: liberals.
3. Wants to control every facet of your life: liberals.

So, I was not speaking on a Republican/Democrat aspect. I was speaking on a liberal/conservative aspect.

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Liberals do not want to take away freedoms of speech. Freedom of speech is fundamental to liberal beliefs.

Estreme left Partisan Democrats want to take away your freedom of speech.

You should read the articles I referenced earlier on The Liberal Patriot.

And now to avoid responding again to a politics post on the OB I am removing the bookmark on this thread.