schmellba99 said:Dude, the TTSX and TSX are pretty well known for their very consistent expansion/mushrooming and weight retention and performance on all kinds of game from pigs to large game like elk. The performance begins to drop off when you start getting below ~1800fps velocities. The tip doesn't expand well the lower you get, which is pretty universal to most HP projos across the board.NRH ag 10 said:Compared to what and in what way?SMM48 said:
no offense, but real world says copper 70gr and 62gr tsx is devastating.
Correct, and it leads to narrow wounds compared to bullets that fragment and do not retain all of their weight.
I'm not a huge fan of the all copper, but I readily admit that Barnes does probably the best job when it comes to consistency and performance out of their all copper projectiles.
Fragmenting upon impact isn't all that great IMO, because while it looks really awesome in ballistic gel slow motion, the fact of the matter is that when a projectile fragments, it looses mass and those little fragments rarely penetrate deep (5"-6" generally in ballistic gelatin), so they end up doing very little in terms of terminal ballistic performance.
Interesting, I've found fragmenting to work well for creating the largest wound possible for a given caliber. The fragments turn a temporary stretch cavity into a permanent tear, where a copper bullet that does not fragment or yaw may or may not cause tearing within the temporary stretch cavity depending on the elasticity of the tissue being affected. This is the opposite of what you state for ballistic gel, where a non fragmenting design looks great, but the temporary stretch cavity isn't necessarily a valuable wounding mechanism despite looking cool when dye is poured into it.
In short, things hit in the chest cavity with TMKs/ELDMs/Bergers die very, very quickly.
Where fragmenting projectiles shine is when you need or want as little penetration through barriers as possible, which is why TAP and Varmageddon type projectiles are about as ideal as you can get for using an AR as a defensive weapon indoors - most of the time after I believ e 2 layers of drywall they generally have lost most of their punch and the lethality of the round goes way, way down.
There are definitely different levels to it, and a varmint bullet works very differently than a TMK or ELDM, which work a bit differently than a Berger.
Outside the scope of this conversation, but fragmenting designs can work very well, even through barriers.
6.5 cm 147gr ELDM through steel:
and through auto glass:
IIRC you have said you mainly use SSTs for hunting, right? If so, it would seem you're a big fan of the exact same performance I also enjoy.
