Hoyt Ag said:

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Hence my second sentence. I have staff for this kind of stuff.

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"Releases" is a relative term. It can be "a little bit" (unlike pregnancy).

Ain't that the truth. After 20 years in natural gas pipelines and cryo plants, release is such a non registering word.

Tecolote said:

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Hoyt Ag said:

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As someone that deals with anhydrous ammonia every day I can tell you this...If it is contained, you are okay. If it releases, not okay. At least that is what my environmental staff and regulators tell me.

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As someone who has used lots of anhydrous ammonia over 35+years, ammonia is hazardous only in "large" quantities. The human nose is an unbelievable "sensor" and detects ammonia long before leak detection devices pick it up. You cannot force yourself to stay in an area with ammonia and wait for it to reach levels of being harmful as it is that strong of a repellent.

Now, if trapped in a room or area where it reaches very high concentrations, or you get a blast of it into your nostrils and receive a high dose into your lungs, well, it's going to not be good, … like really nasty.

P.s., there are much nastier chemicals you don't even know about and all around you every day in life.

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Part of the problem with ammonia is that you can go into olfactory fatigue and loss the ability to smell it with prolonged exposure at lower levels. But agree for the most part that you will know right away during an acute exposure.

txags92 said:

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Tecolote said:

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Hoyt Ag said:

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As someone that deals with anhydrous ammonia every day I can tell you this...If it is contained, you are okay. If it releases, not okay. At least that is what my environmental staff and regulators tell me.

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As someone who has used lots of anhydrous ammonia over 35+years, ammonia is hazardous only in "large" quantities. The human nose is an unbelievable "sensor" and detects ammonia long before leak detection devices pick it up. You cannot force yourself to stay in an area with ammonia and wait for it to reach levels of being harmful as it is that strong of a repellent.

Now, if trapped in a room or area where it reaches very high concentrations, or you get a blast of it into your nostrils and receive a high dose into your lungs, well, it's going to not be good, … like really nasty.

P.s., there are much nastier chemicals you don't even know about and all around you every day in life.

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Part of the problem with ammonia is that you can go into olfactory fatigue and loss the ability to smell it with prolonged exposure at lower levels. But agree for the most part that you will know right away during an acute exposure.

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Hmm, not saying that isn't true, but with my 35+ years of working with it, my sensitivity to it is beyond belief. I pick up the smell long before the average person can even begin for it to register. I've done that with other chemicals so I know it is the case but with me ammonia is the opposite.

Sounds like the amount of water needed to produce may be the biggest issue.

Tecolote said:

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txags92 said:

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Tecolote said:

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Hoyt Ag said:

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As someone that deals with anhydrous ammonia every day I can tell you this...If it is contained, you are okay. If it releases, not okay. At least that is what my environmental staff and regulators tell me.

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As someone who has used lots of anhydrous ammonia over 35+years, ammonia is hazardous only in "large" quantities. The human nose is an unbelievable "sensor" and detects ammonia long before leak detection devices pick it up. You cannot force yourself to stay in an area with ammonia and wait for it to reach levels of being harmful as it is that strong of a repellent.

Now, if trapped in a room or area where it reaches very high concentrations, or you get a blast of it into your nostrils and receive a high dose into your lungs, well, it's going to not be good, … like really nasty.

P.s., there are much nastier chemicals you don't even know about and all around you every day in life.

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Part of the problem with ammonia is that you can go into olfactory fatigue and loss the ability to smell it with prolonged exposure at lower levels. But agree for the most part that you will know right away during an acute exposure.

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Hmm, not saying that isn't true, but with my 35+ years of working with it, my sensitivity to it is beyond belief. I pick up the smell long before the average person can even begin for it to register. I've done that with other chemicals so I know it is the case but with me ammonia is the opposite.

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Not talking about long term chronic type exposures to concentrations barely at the odor threshold. Talking about lower concentrations below danger levels but enough that you would notice and probably be irritated by them over the course of probably an hour or more. Usually comes into play with workers who are used to low level releases who spend several hours exposed to it and then walk into an area with a larger release that they don't smell soon enough to not get overwhelmed.

George08 said:

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Yes, between Robstown and Calallen.

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Have a rent house in that area. More jobs there is good for me.