AgRN16 said:

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dodger02 said:

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Sure. That is probably true.

Me and my suppressed .308 AR10 built by Eye Guy and used to take 5 deer each season and countless pigs and coyotes over the last 5 years know nothing.

It's a rifle perfect for a stand. Walk a half-mile in. Sit. Walk a half-mile out. It's not a rifle that has any business being carried at altitude all day with a full 10-20 round magazine. 97% of posters on this board will likely agree.

That's a job better suited for my .308 mountain rifle that weighs about 6# loaded which is what I carried in Colorado for a week. If you're worried about bears, bring spray, a 10mm 1911 or G20, or any number of big bore revolvers - I'd go with a .41 or .44 mag.

But that's just me. What do I know.

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Yes. The 308 AR you just described is built for a stand. You built it that way (actually you had someone else build it for you; I am building mine).

The beautiful thing about the AR platform is it is HIGHLY customizable, and FAR more versatile than any bolt action can ever be. I am asking for the opinions of any people who have hunted with them in the backcountry or mountain hunting. Sounds like you haven't. So not sure why you are hating.

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You're also ignoring the opinions of people who have hunted and carried both types in a variety of situations, including back country hunting. Then talking down to someone because he had the gall to not build his himself. Yikes. I've carried a AR platform up and down many hills and mountains. I haven't done so mountain hunting, but in other hunts and activities. It isn't fun or comfortable and provides no advantage for 99.99% of situations you'll be in.

Honest question, have you ever been hunting in the mountains? Some of the things we're describing are pretty straightforward and basic for when you're hiking 10+ miles a day at altitude with plenty of elevation change and carrying your tent, clothes, water, food, and anything else you need with you. They're things you wouldn't even need to ask about.

AgRN16 said:

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dodger02 said:

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Sure. That is probably true.

Me and my suppressed .308 AR10 built by Eye Guy and used to take 5 deer each season and countless pigs and coyotes over the last 5 years know nothing.

It's a rifle perfect for a stand. Walk a half-mile in. Sit. Walk a half-mile out. It's not a rifle that has any business being carried at altitude all day with a full 10-20 round magazine. 97% of posters on this board will likely agree.

That's a job better suited for my .308 mountain rifle that weighs about 6# loaded which is what I carried in Colorado for a week. If you're worried about bears, bring spray, a 10mm 1911 or G20, or any number of big bore revolvers - I'd go with a .41 or .44 mag.

But that's just me. What do I know.

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Yes. The 308 AR you just described is built for a stand. You built it that way (actually you had someone else build it for you; I am building mine).

The beautiful thing about the AR platform is it is HIGHLY customizable, and FAR more versatile than any bolt action can ever be. I am asking for the opinions of any people who have hunted with them in the backcountry or mountain hunting. Sounds like you haven't. So not sure why you are hating.

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Not sure you're going to get much real life experience/feedback on back country hunting with an AR platform just because nobody really does it. I don't think people are hating on you, just saying that a lightweight bolt gun is much more practical to tote around in the mountains, which is why everyone does it instead of carrying around an AR. You're set on your build, just go hit the mountains with it and let us know how it goes.

I don't know why I'm engaging with a top 3 worst poster on this site.

Yes. Eye Guy built my upper. Nice little jab. The AR10 is notoriously finicky so I had someone build it for me who could get the head spacing and gassing just right. Good one.

But you didn't come here to engage in conversation. You came here to brag about how you're going to defy convention, cast aside the experience of others, and show us how it's truly done.

And I and too many others gave you what you wanted: attention. Shame on us.

If i was hunting grizz with a 308 i would want a semi auto with a stack of 20rd mags too!

We were poor. Did not have running water in our farmhouse till I was in 3rd grade. When I was 16 my uncle took me to Colorado for an Elk Hunt. We were hunting Routt National Forest and Elk River National Forest.
My rifle was my grandfathers M1903. Open sights.
I lugged it around all week. We were strictly there for meat. I never fired a shot. In my latter years went up there again….. this time carrying a Model 70 featherweight in .308. So much nicer!

Buck Compton said:

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AgRN16 said:

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dodger02 said:

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Sure. That is probably true.

Me and my suppressed .308 AR10 built by Eye Guy and used to take 5 deer each season and countless pigs and coyotes over the last 5 years know nothing.

It's a rifle perfect for a stand. Walk a half-mile in. Sit. Walk a half-mile out. It's not a rifle that has any business being carried at altitude all day with a full 10-20 round magazine. 97% of posters on this board will likely agree.

That's a job better suited for my .308 mountain rifle that weighs about 6# loaded which is what I carried in Colorado for a week. If you're worried about bears, bring spray, a 10mm 1911 or G20, or any number of big bore revolvers - I'd go with a .41 or .44 mag.

But that's just me. What do I know.

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Yes. The 308 AR you just described is built for a stand. You built it that way (actually you had someone else build it for you; I am building mine).

The beautiful thing about the AR platform is it is HIGHLY customizable, and FAR more versatile than any bolt action can ever be. I am asking for the opinions of any people who have hunted with them in the backcountry or mountain hunting. Sounds like you haven't. So not sure why you are hating.

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You're also ignoring the opinions of people who have hunted and carried both types in a variety of situations, including back country hunting. Then talking down to someone because he had the gall to not build his himself. Yikes. I've carried a AR platform up and down many hills and mountains. I haven't done so mountain hunting, but in other hunts and activities. It isn't fun or comfortable and provides no advantage for 99.99% of situations you'll be in.

Honest question, have you ever been hunting in the mountains? Some of the things we're describing are pretty straightforward and basic for when you're hiking 10+ miles a day at altitude with plenty of elevation change and carrying your tent, clothes, water, food, and anything else you need with you. They're things you wouldn't even need to ask about.

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3 day back country hike in redwoods National Park. 4 day backcountry hike Yosemitenational park. Both hikes with my wife. Packed in/out all our things. Obviously not hunting hikes as in national parks. I didn't carry as both were in Commie-fornia. Took the wife and kids with me to Zion/Bryce for 4 days (no overnight hiking my kids are toddlers) and to Glacier (again no overnight for same reason). I conceal carried my stacatto on both of those trips and on both spent most of the time hiking carrying around my 30+ pound son on my back along with a day pack full of other necessities. So no the extra 1 to 1.5 pounds the AR has on a Bolt does not phase me. Added mag capacity and fast follows are invaluable in some (however infrequent) situations.



Seems like this former Navy Seal thinks an AR10 is an ideal hunting rifle . . .

You knew all the answers already, so why did you ask for others' opinions?

Hunt with whatever you want. There's no right or wrong answer, only personal preference.

I love ARs, but there are better tools for long treks in my personal opinion, especially in steep country and if you're carrying other gear. It's more than just an issue of weight. Form factor plays a role too. If I'm hoofing it a lot with a rifle, whether in steep country or not, I personally prefer a gun with less sharp corners and protruding doodads. I personally don't want a protruding mag and pistol grip on a gun that I'm carrying for long distances, because after a few hours, minor annoyances become major annoyances. I have never needed more than 3 shots on any of the many BG animals I've taken in nearly 50 years of hunting multiple states, and I've never found a bolt action to be too slow on follow-up in the rare occasion I've needed it. Most of the animals I've killed only required 1 shot. A typical bolt action stock is smooth and radiused its full length. It doesn't have protrusions and abrupt sharp corners jabbing you as you walk, extra stuff that also squeaks and rattles. But that's me.

AgRN16 said:

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dodger02 said:

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Sure. That is probably true.

Me and my suppressed .308 AR10 built by Eye Guy and used to take 5 deer each season and countless pigs and coyotes over the last 5 years know nothing.

It's a rifle perfect for a stand. Walk a half-mile in. Sit. Walk a half-mile out. It's not a rifle that has any business being carried at altitude all day with a full 10-20 round magazine. 97% of posters on this board will likely agree.

That's a job better suited for my .308 mountain rifle that weighs about 6# loaded which is what I carried in Colorado for a week. If you're worried about bears, bring spray, a 10mm 1911 or G20, or any number of big bore revolvers - I'd go with a .41 or .44 mag.

But that's just me. What do I know.

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Yes. The 308 AR you just described is built for a stand. You built it that way (actually you had someone else build it for you; I am building mine).

The beautiful thing about the AR platform is it is HIGHLY customizable, and FAR more versatile than any bolt action can ever be. I am asking for the opinions of any people who have hunted with them in the backcountry or mountain hunting. Sounds like you haven't. So not sure why you are hating.

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You aren't going to find many people that have done this, because most people aren't stupid.

The idea of lugging around an AR-10 in the mountains, over and under deadfall, up and down steep inclines, rocks, etc. just sounds absolutely fuggin miserable.

I have doubts as to the ability to get one to 6 something lbs as well, but whatever. There is a reason that almost nobody chooses an AR-10 for mountain hunting, that's because they aren't suited for it at all. And the whole "I need follow up shots for charging grizzlies" is a dumb excuse. The odds of even running into a grizzly, much less being in a situation where you can legit think you'll get all of these follow up shots, is low. I mean really low. Like a decimal point and then a whole bunch of zeros before you get to an actual number low.

But you didn't come to actually ask for advice, so not really sure why you started the thread other than trying to have some weird flex or what you think is some kind of humble brag. You do you though.

GentrysMillTX10 said:

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I deer hunt with my DPMS LR 308. I prefer it over a bolt gun actually. I shoot my AR15 at pigs year round so I remain super comfortable with the AR platform without having to spend some time on the bench. When using my LR 308, I'm not in a rush to re-chamber another round from a bolt gun so I tend to shoot better as well.

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This does not compute in my mind.

Unless you are routinely popping multiple deer at a time anyway. Other than that, it reads like you pretty much anticipate missing your first shot and want the semi auto action so you can try to seal the deal with your second shot.

Think he is saying he shoots lots of pigs and can get on target at another pig quicker with the semi auto than working a bolt.

Gunny456 said:

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Think he is saying he shoots lots of pigs and can get on target at another pig quicker with the semi auto than working a bolt.

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That's not the way it reads to me, but if that's what he's implying then it makes sense.

But it reads that he shoots his AR-10 deer hunting, and he's comfortable with the platform because he hunts pigs with an AR-15. And he like semi auto when deer hunting because it's a faster follow up shot.

I read it again. I really don't know which he is saying. You are probably right.

Yes, multiple does at a time when doe hunting and that's what I last shot with my LR - so that's what was on the mind.

dodger02 said:

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I don't know why I'm engaging with a top 3 worst poster on this site.

Yes. Eye Guy built my upper. Nice little jab. The AR10 is notoriously finicky so I had someone build it for me who could get the head spacing and gassing just right. Good one.

But you didn't come here to engage in conversation. You came here to brag about how you're going to defy convention, cast aside the experience of others, and show us how it's truly done.

And I and too many others gave you what you wanted: attention. Shame on us.

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I saw the username and clicked on the thread wondering if he's just as awful on other forums as he is on Premium. Didn't disappoint.

i'm calling BS on a 6 pound AR10. maybe no magazine, no attachments, no scope or rings. 16 inch pencil barrel. skeletonized stock. maybe.

Furlock Bones said:

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i'm calling BS on a 6 pound AR10. maybe no magazine, no attachments, no scope or rings. 16 inch pencil barrel. skeletonized stock. maybe.

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Plus titanium bolt carrier, carbon fiber hand guard, skeletonized carbon fiber grip, no forward assist assy, titanium low profile gas block, carbon fiber buttstock…

I used all of that and more on an AR15 and still barely got it to around 5.5 lbs.

Hes got a stack of Yeti Coolers a mile high at home too and a "The road chose me" bumper sticker on his sweet 4Runner with those fancy black wheels on it.

Pof rogue 308 is right at 6lb without glass or mag

Charismatic Megafauna said:

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Pof rogue 308 is right at 6lb without glass or mag

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If you know you know. Like I was saying earlier Ruger SFAR is like 6 pounds 8 ozs.

First of all, the advertised weight of the POF Rogue is false. They are lying or there's some technicality they aren't mentioning with their published weight. Actual measured weight is 6.2 lbs. Yes, that's not much more, and that's still very light for an AR10, but it's still over 6 lbs for the bare rifle. Also, to get to that weight, POF had to use their own proprietary AR15 length upper and lower receiver, modified to accept AR10 mags, and shortened bolt carrier as part of their design. So, it's really not a "true" AR10 in that several parts won't interchange with typical AR10 standard parts.

Secondly, I know the OP did say "6 lbs before glass and full mag," but he won't be hunting without glass and a mag full of ammo. By the time you add a scope, mount, ammo, and sling, all of which he would be carrying on a hunt, you're looking at a minimum of 7.5 and more likely 7.75-8 lbs.

Contrast that to what can be done with a bolt action for the exact same or greater ballistic performance. I built a lightweight bolt gun with titanium action, #1 contour 18" barrel and Kevlar stock that weighs 5.8 lbs with scope, mounts, and sling.

Let's not forget the issue with most AR10s. Reliability is significantly less. Failure to feed and failure to eject are real world issues that plague the platform. If I am that worried about a bear, I'm carrying bear spray as my primary and a 10mm pistol as my secondary.

AgRN16 said:

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Charismatic Megafauna said:

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Pof rogue 308 is right at 6lb without glass or mag

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If you know you know. Like I was saying earlier Ruger SFAR is like 6 pounds 8 ozs.

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6.8 lbs, not 6 lbs 8 oz... just for clarity.

And I say this as an owner of a SFAR (and seasoned Western hunter)... It's great, but I'll echo the comments of others that carrying a rifle with that form factor isn't the best option, regardless of weight. Bolt actions are superior for this use.

BCStalk said:

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Let's not forget the issue with most AR10s. Reliability is significantly less. Failure to feed and failure to eject are real world issues that plague the platform. If I am that worried about a bear, I'm carrying bear spray as my primary and a 10mm pistol as my secondary.

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Agreed 100% on capable sidearm and bear spray as must carries in big bear country.

As to reliability, a good adjustable gas block and a properly tuned rifle is just as reliable as an AR15, one of the most proven rifle platforms in the history of firearms.

Thaddeus Beauregard said:

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First of all, the advertised weight of the POF Rogue is false. They are lying or there's some technicality they aren't mentioning with their published weight. Actual measured weight is 6.2 lbs.

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I didn't know that, seems wild they would blatantly lie about the weight.

Charismatic Megafauna said:

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Thaddeus Beauregard said:

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First of all, the advertised weight of the POF Rogue is false. They are lying or there's some technicality they aren't mentioning with their published weight. Actual measured weight is 6.2 lbs.

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I didn't know that, seems wild they would blatantly lie about the weight.

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Yes, they did. Many manufacturers fudge their specs, to put it lightly.