Stolen from F16. Y'all know about this?

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— Liberty Safe (@libertysafeinc) September 6, 2023

Perhaps Liberty should provide customers notice that they provided a code for their particular safe to the fibbies.

That should have been contingent to providing those backdoor codes and would have been in their best interest as well as their customers.

Am I surprised about this, not in the least.

Interesting, thanks for sharing.

I had a mechanical dial lock put on my Ft Knox safe.

I wonder if those type of locks can also have a second combination?

I think assuming any large business will choose to protect individual privacy over cooperating with the feds is….optimistic, at best.

I suspect that all of the safe manufacturers retain back door codes, but would like to know for sure.

I mean, I want to be upset at this, but at the same time I'm not surprised at all.

Unless it's a requirement- which I really doubt - I cannot see Griffin Safes having a secret code.

That's a heck of a liability to keep as a manufacturer.

But, complying with a warrant shouldn't surprise anyone.

A locksmith is going to drill with a warrant as well.

I believe master codes are commonplace on digital locks. Called a company when I was in the Army and got the code from them (with proper documentation of who I was) and got a code after a relative died and family didn't have the combo. Don't know about dial locks. All to say, someone else can always get in. Same for the safe in your hotel room. Regardless, bad move by the Liberty to give to the feds, but not at all surprising.

Well, that's ****ty.

Cannon has backup codes on file at the company, at least for the digital locks. Not sure about combination mechanical locks. That's why they tell you not to peel off the sticker on the outside with the serial # or write it down.

Whether or not it's surprising to you, me or anyone else is hardly the point. As someone who has, and have recommended Liberty safes multiple times, I hope the backlash after this is enough to make it a much more difficult decision for themselves, or anyone else the next time around.

Well, I'll never buy a "Liberty" safe. More like Subjection Safes.

I hope other companies will put out clarifying statements soon. Hell of a selling point for me right now as I will soon be in the market for a not small one. "Once you buy our safe, it's yours forever and we have no more footprint on it whatsoever. We can't give out what we don't know"

Either way Liberty is no longer an option for me.

🚨 Last week, a friend of ours was raided by the feds over J6, his name is Nathan Hughes and he’s from Fayetteville, Arkansas. Nate was raided by the FBI and arrested at gun point. His girlfriend (who just had a miscarriage) was held at gun point and put in handcuffs. The FBI… pic.twitter.com/LOpMQ28eUJ

— Hodgetwins (@hodgetwins) September 5, 2023

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The FBI turned off his security cameras, unplugged his internet, and flipped his house upside down in a search. The feds called the manufacturer of his Liberty Gun Safe and got the passcode to get into it too. All for protesting at the Capitol over 2 1/2 years ago.

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Do not like

Liberty is about to become the Bud Light of gun safes.

I'll admit I have a liberty safe. I changed the lock out on it almost right after I bought it.

Or did I?

Can anyone give me a rough guess at the cost of replacing an electric lock with a mechanical?

Animal Eight 84 said:

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I had a mechanical dial lock put on my Ft Knox safe.

I wonder if those type of locks can also have a second combination?

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Nah, but the Feds have this guy on retainer:


... or a grunt with an oxy-acet torch.

If you are somewhat handy, $100-200 depending on the lock.

Bregxit said:

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So let me get this straight, when my safe was locked up Liberty's customer service told me to hire a locksmith, but they had the code and could have given it to the owner and didn't?

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Oops

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it's probably the same backup code for all safes, so they don't want to give it out.

BenderRodriguez said:

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I think assuming any large business will choose to protect individual privacy over cooperating with the feds is….optimistic, at best.

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This is a bit different. I would typically agree with you but I think we are focused on the wrong thing here.

There was a valid warrant. There is no option but to comply with that and I fault no one for that. I'm not losing my business because some yahoo broke the law or did something boneheaded and the feds came to me with a proper warrant per the proper procedure we all talk about.

What we need to focus on is NOT that. We need to focus on the fact that Liberty has an access code that usurps the owners at all. That's a problem. If they had no such code, there would be nothing to help with in terms of the warrant. The safe is not rented from Liberty. It is owned. As such, why anyone but the owner has any codes at all is concerning. It also just killed Liberty off my list of potential new safe providers.

If I'm Fort Knox, Graffunder, Browning, Prosteel, etc, I'd be immediately releasing statements saying I don't keep any additional codes. The fact that we havnt seen that implies that they all have them. If they didn't keep extra codes, they'd state that fact, but they can't because that would be a liability. It's my opinion all of them keep extras and all of them will yield to warrants.

Sounds like for a couple hundred bucks I can outfit a deeply discounted liberty safe with a new lock in the next few months

My safe is the old school dial kind, and I will never have anything else.

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My safe is the old school dial kind, and I will never have anything else.

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This. All my SHTF items are accessible outside of the safe, but still secured from thieves, kids, etc. Save money by buying a good mechanical safe and make them work for it if they want to get inside.

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My safe is the old school dial kind, and I will never have anything else.

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Which leads to another set of questions...how many combos does your lock have and does the manufacturer have a backdoor combo or record of the one that was set by the factory?

Trust in the industry just went to negative infinity.

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Mine's fairly old school, its possible that there is a record of it, but I would tend to doubt it. The reality is, who knows?

i'm not trying to keep ethan hunt out of my safe...mostly just the typical riff-raff you see on the news that probably can't even spell "safe.

Jason_InfinityRoofer said:

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BenderRodriguez said:

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I think assuming any large business will choose to protect individual privacy over cooperating with the feds is….optimistic, at best.

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This is a bit different. I would typically agree with you but I think we are focused on the wrong thing here.

There was a valid warrant. There is no option but to comply with that and I fault no one for that. I'm not losing my business because some yahoo broke the law or did something boneheaded and the feds came to me with a proper warrant per the proper procedure we all talk about.

What we need to focus on is NOT that. We need to focus on the fact that Liberty has an access code that usurps the owners at all. That's a problem. If they had no such code, there would be nothing to help with in terms of the warrant. The safe is not rented from Liberty. It is owned. As such, why anyone but the owner has any codes at all is concerning. It also just killed Liberty off my list of potential new safe providers.

If I'm Fort Knox, Graffunder, Browning, Prosteel, etc, I'd be immediately releasing statements saying I don't keep any additional codes. The fact that we havnt seen that implies that they all have them. If they didn't keep extra codes, they'd state that fact, but they can't because that would be a liability. It's my opinion all of them keep extras and all of them will yield to warrants.

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But the issue is here is, the warrant is not with liberty, the warrant is with the owner of the state. Liberty as well within their rights to tell them to pound sand and absolutely should have.

Who else wants to see Kid Rock shoot a liberty safe up?

Has the warrant been posted?

Liberty would not let me into my dad safe after he passed away, and the locksmith could not get the combo by listening/turning the dial or from liberty. He was about to drill through the lock (as in the rig was up and he was already drilling through the face) when I was able to find the combination hidden in one of my dad's wallets in a chest of drawers.

Bregxit said:

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So let me get this straight, when my safe was locked up Liberty's customer service told me to hire a locksmith, but they had the code and could have given it to the owner and didn't?

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That's the wild part.

Liberty Safe says, if you lose your code, hire a locksmith. Then, have the locksmith call us.

If you don't do the latter, it will void your warranty.

Must be a sweet deal for that locksmith. Have Liberty Safe give you the backdoor code, type it in, then charge $$$. The hard part is to act like you're actually doing something to keep up the ruse.

EXACTLY! If the FBI had served a warrant for the back up codes to Liberty that is one thing, but it appears that all the FBI did was say pretty please and they coughed up the numbers!